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TWTW ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: March-02-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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I'm LUCKY ENOUGH TO OWN A 92'SN. The only problem I have had has been with the effort of steering the boat to the right. Having had the boat for only a few months, my first thought was to change out the steering cable. With the new cable, I am still having to use more effort than necessary to turn right. The boat will turn slowly to the left when let go and requires a full hand to turn back to the right. I'm not getting the one/two finger turns that i would expect with the new cable. The rudder hasn't been filed down to turn left either. From the back of the boat on the trailer the rudder can be turned either direction with about the same force which is weird. Iv'e done basic engine maintenance but have little experience with rudder ass'y and wondered if anyone would have a suggestion b4 i haul it to CC dealer???
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tryan ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: November-12-2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 345 |
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take the cable off at the rudder and see if you can tell the resistence is in the helm or the rudder itself.
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SS 201 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-20-2003 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 232 |
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Call Woody or Art at SECC 407 851 1965
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TWTW ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: March-02-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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TWTW ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: March-02-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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Thanks. That was going to be my next step.
I'll post what i find for anyone else that might have a problemo but i'll tell you one thing...my kidneys have fully recovered after giving up the jolt from the 87'MC i used to own. I cross my wakes intentionally now cuz it's a heck of a lot softer ride! |
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79nautique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7872 |
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While your checking things and before you disconnect the cable and it's on the trailer check and see if the rudder rotates the same amount right and left from center. If it doesn't the clamp block needs to be adjusted. Seems odd the it's easy one direction and not the other, check and make sure your not hitting some duct work or wires or that the packing isn't missed up.
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dmoney ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: September-02-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 14 |
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What ended up being the problem with the boat not steering to the right? I've got a 1992 Ski Nautique that I just purchased that has the same problem....
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BASC ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: January-17-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4 |
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I also have a 92 Nautique that has the same steering problem to starboard, I tried all the above suggestions also took the rudder out of the housing and checked for any faulty,grooves etc, all looked okay. The sterring cable was replaced,the housing and rudder greased and replaced but still the problem exists.
Anybody got any further suggestions??? The wife is now developing muscles in the wrong places! |
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dmoney ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: September-02-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 14 |
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I think I read somewhere that the position of the rudder and the prop in the 92' vintage is creating the resistance we experience. When the boat is on the lift, I can turn the wheel either way with my finger. The previous owner replaced the steering cable and I have since greased the rudder. When the boat is at a healthy cruising speed, it is difficult to turn starboard (I'm also guessing that the prop rotation contributes to why starboard is more difficult than port). Good thing I use the boat to ski, and straight is the optimal direction to be going!
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BASC ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: January-17-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4 |
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So we know all the symptoms of the problem, and replacing and greasing bits does not seem to cure the problem.
Is there actually a solution to this problem? It is obviously happening on some 92 year SN's, does it happen on all, and if not, can we track down a possible difference that could cause the problem, might prop size have anyhting to do with it, I am nieve on this sort of thing, so if my suggestion is way out there, humour me. Pete |
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Jim_In_Houston ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: September-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1120 |
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I have encountered the exact same thing on my '68 Mustang AFTER I installed an OJ prop (with a lot of rake). With the OJ prop installed a LOT of heavy effort is required to turn the boat to the right. Also, my RPMs drop when turning to the right - go figure. I think it's prop wake that is being applied to the rudder. As soon as I get my original prop back from the prop shop it is going back on my boat. Does anybody want to buy a perfectly good 12 x 12 1" bore rebuilt OJ ptop?
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92'NIQUE ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 189 |
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Ditto on my '92 SNOB. Steering is actually "extremely" tight in both directions. The boat is at New England Correct Craft while we speak. I'll post the results of their findings next week....
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BASC ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: January-17-2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4 |
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Looking forward to their diagnosis of the problem. Hopefully they will be able to come up with a solution, the winter months will give me a chance to put it right.
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Ryan S. ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: October-03-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 53 |
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I have a 1997 Ski Nautique with a similar problem. I just purchased the boat late this summer so I don't have a lot of time with it but it is very difficult to turn in either direction, especially at slow speeds. Interestingly, it seems to loosen up as we use it. By the time we're finished skiing, the steering is much easier. I called the dealer about a steering cable and he suggested greasing the rudder. Why would it loosen up as it warms up? Any thoughts/experience?
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92'NIQUE ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 189 |
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The dealer felt as though it is not uncommon for a 10-12 year old Nautique to have its steering tighten up. Attributes this to the decay and shreeding of the steering cable due to condensation and rust brought on by the cable being so low to the water line...especially the closer it gets to the rudder. He's gonna replace my cable in the spring, so I wont know if this actually fixes it for at least 6-7 months.
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cinekw ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: July-28-2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 22 |
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I own a 1990 SN and I just upgraded my stock prop to the ACME 612 3 blade prop which has more low end power, I had the hard steering issued before but with new prop it's worse, I called Ski Nautique dealer and they suggested installing the new style rudder, with trim tab that will fix my design problem.
Does any one know anything about that new rudder, with trim tab. |
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onsse ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: October-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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Hi All,
I bought a '93 Sport Nautique, that have the same steering problem. Would like to know how if anyone have solved the problem and how it was solved. Thanks ~onsse |
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gjsullivan ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: November-08-2004 Location: Hillsboro, OR Status: Offline Points: 13 |
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I have a 90 sport and assumed that it was because of the angle of the prop blades but I just checked and my guess is that the prop blade angle would tend to push the boat into a right hand turn. but it turns easier to the left and harder to the right.
Interested in knowing the answer. |
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jweiszt ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: December-19-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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My '92 SN had the same problem, but the original rudder was trimmed to pull the boat slightly to the left for tournament skiing. The boat had 1500 hours on it. I noticed the rudder had a small amount of play, ie. hold the bottom of the rudder and push from side to side. So I replaced the rudder and rudder port with the new trim tab rudder. I also replaced the stearing cable while I was at it. BINGO - 90 percent of problem solved. Note: I also have the 4 blade OJ prop . That may be the other 10 percent of the problem. I will let you know when I change props...
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R J ![]() Guest ![]() |
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My 91 SN has the same problem. Why do we all have to search for the answer when Correct Craft probably knows? As loyal owners of their products CC should post an answer instead of allowing us to make such costly repairs with no success. This is my third CC and will be last.
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My 97 sport has the same problem, figure it is just prop torque. I was just looking for the grease fitting and can't it, do all Nautiques have them?
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David F ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: June-11-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1770 |
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None of the Nautiques have grease fittings on the rudder shaft as greasing the shaft should not be necessary. I would think it would be a very short term fix as the grease would be washed away by the water in a short time.
If you want to try it, I believe people are talking about removing the rudder, greasing the shaft and reinstalling. |
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BASC ![]() Guest ![]() |
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Yes , that is what I eventually did, it seemed to ease the problem for a couple of months but it was not a long term solution.
The long term solution was a 02 SN with FCT, drives like a dream and the wife can handle it easily. It is a bit drastic to say you wuold never buy another Nautique based on this experience. I do agree though that CC must know about the issue and probably the longer term solution. Stick with CC they are without doubt the best in the business (arguably). |
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nates78ski ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January-24-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1041 |
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I beleive the steering problem could be 2-3 different things. At low speed it could be the helm unit. I do not know if your boat has a rotary rack gear or a flat rack gear but at low speed that would be suspect. At higher speeds prop wash can cause some weird problems. I have worked on old antique boats an the rule had always been that the prop must be at least 10% of the prop diameter from the hull(13" prop 1.3" min. i noticed on CC's that many models have less than 1". This can cause some major handling proplems including thight steering at higher speeds. I suggest you start by adding spacer to the strut to gain the 1.3" clearance then realign the engine. If this works replace the strut a longer strut or make the spacer permanent. Let me know
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nates78ski ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January-24-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1041 |
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I forget to tell you to first try a prop that is smaller in diameter first
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Seven months later, and the boat is finally back from the dealer and in the water. Steering cable was replaced, and I also replaced the original 3 blade stock prop with a ACME 422 4-blade prop. I'd say that my steering is about 90% better. Still a bit of tension when steering right. Dealer says he can shave the rudder slightly to adjust this. I guess the steering is designed to drift slightly to the left for some competition ski reason that I'm not familar with. Anyways, time to have some fun...the season is too short to worry about this.
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David F ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: June-11-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1770 |
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I think I have advice for getting that last 10% back: I just reinstalled my Teleflex tilt helm last night. Upon checking it over before installation, I noticed I could barely turn the stub shaft by hand...it was extrememly tight (no steering cable attached). So, I removed the C-clip and tried to push the shaft out of the bore by hand...no go. I had to hammer the shaft out where I then found that the original grease was more like glue than grease and the nylon bushing totally dry. Upon cleaning the old grease remnants and apply new high temp grease, the shaft spun freely.
So, some of the stiff steering many people complain of on the older Nautiques has to be a partial result of the helm stub shaft lack of lubrication. |
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Mark Kovalcson ![]() Guest ![]() |
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My 2001 SN Has no problem steering either way.
1997 SN has a solid rudder 1998 SN has a larger rudder 1999 SN has a new beefier steering system that is much smoother and the trimmable rudder. The trimable rudder and new steering system can be retrofitted on 1997 and 1998 SN's. I'm not sure if you can do the same on the earlier models, but I can tell you is really makes a difference. My friend's 1997, with the newer trimable rudder still doesn't steer as smoothly and easily as my 2001 does. |
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