A seemingly legitimate Cypress Gardens boat

That is probably my favorite style of the S&S and the only MC I would ever thinking about possibly owning because it has a MOPAR in it. Those boats drive like crap with just a driver. But with that 440 that thing would probably be a ball.

Actually owning an '83 S&S currently, I can tell you it drives great. It doesn't track well with a strong/advanced skier but it drives/handles very well and has a killer slalom wake at all lengths. Even the -22 wake is butter, no joke. This hull put MC on the map. They only made 1 model, so it had to be good.

Every 190 style MC I have driven has had a bad gangster lean to the right (with me only weighing 135). Now they power turn on a dime but I am spoiled driving boats that generally ride straight up. I mean below 30 or so even my boat will list slightly right with just a driver so add in a narrower flat bottom with a LH prop and boom. Not my cup of tea.

Joel, cool vid... but I dont think it addressed the question/concern?

Does the boat look particularly tilted either floating (platform clearly visible) or while the camera panned back and fourth on both sides of the wake like 25X clearly showing side spray on both sides? No more than any other boat. The video clearly shows this from a spray perspective, direct wake perspective as the camera is looking directly at the wake, etc. Couldn't be more appropriate.

My TSC1 is the "tippy"-est boat I've ever experienced FWIW.

phatsat67 wrote: Every 190 style MC I have driven has had a bad gangster lean to the right (with me only weighing 135). Now they power turn on a dime but I am spoiled driving boats that generally ride straight up. I mean below 30 or so even my boat will list slightly right with just a driver so add in a narrower flat bottom with a LH prop and boom. Not my cup of tea.

Whaaaat? Are you refering to the early 80's like this CG boat or later? My 82 rode flat as could be even without a spotter.

Later 80s Alan. Only ridden in the early 80's boats.

Sorry to stir up the cool aid early on :D. I was afraid I would get flamed for saying I think the early to mid 80s SS boats are cool ;).

I pulled a lot of slalom with 190s in college and most recently had an 87 here to tune the carb. The 87 I just tuned was a total pig on the water. Even leaning up into the 40 mph range.

Like I said below skiing speeds my boat leans a bit with just me in the driver.

C'mon Joel, you cant see anything from that video! At least as far as boat lean goes, ha. If it rides perfectly level just say so! Id be surprised based on my experience of lefty prop DD boats (late 80's through late 90's vintage MC and Bu), especially considering the S&S is narrower... but maybe MC was doing something to compensate for it back then (extra hook on one side, etc)?

My experience mimics Zach's... my CC's all level out by 30 with just me aboard. The LH propped older CC Ive driven a bit never levels out- extra speed doesnt help much if at all. I attributed that to it being so narrow- making it more susceptible to the prop rotation.

Joel, how's the trick lean/handling?

Hollywood wrote: Joel, how's the trick lean/handling?

I spend hours behind this boat tricking (trying to trick, I should say). Trick lean is no worse than any other ski boat, or any more prominent. I suppose we should re-title this thread "do other brand's boats lean significantly more than CCs" to which I'd say "no".

My 2000 SN does not ski "dead level" with one person in the boat at any speed, particularly tricking where I've at times resorted to driving the boat from a kneeling position in front of the motorbox at trick speeds for a competitive tricker in order to level out the wake (private lake, going in a straight line). At slalom speeds the spray difference from one side of the boat to the other from not riding level can be distracting because it's so obvious from behind the boat. I don't recall the '90 being any better in this respect but it's been a while.

I pull and ski sets behind a current year Malibu several times a week, usually 3X a week and that boat is no more leaned over than any SN I've driven. I probably personally put 50+hrs a year on those boats alone. Same with the modern Mastercrafts I spend time behind in various ski schools every year.

I don't care what brand boat you see at the dock at any 3 event club- you're going to see weights at the dock or in the boat to balance it out, CCs included.

Here's the 00 at 39mph, certainly not dead level.

The few instances where you straighten out for a second sure make the boat look level to me. Wake and spray both look symmetrical. But the wide angle lense does distort things- so its tough to be sure. Its a hard thing to capture on film. The arching turns will have a significant effect, so dont judge by that. The camera is mounted slightly crooked too- dont let that fool you!

I have some videos of a few of my boats with me alone, but the angle of the camera would confuse enough people that theyre not worth sharing.

No doubt, tricking speeds are a totally different animal... the prop RPM just isnt high enough to overcome the weight of the driver.

Well if you want another video then here you go... me alone, balancing the camera (phone) on the pylon. I held it crooked, as evidenced by comparing the edge of the frame to the motorbox/rear seat. So, tilt your head to the right slightly, ha.



Hardly the best evidence, but you can drive it yourself next time youre here for the full experience. The '90 is the same way- perfectly flat- and a lousy video that serves as proof.

The biggest thing I appreciate about post 89 boats is the view and seating position. I am a short guy and my boat isn't the best. Might look at modifying the seat base this winter.

Have 83 MC and 99 SN... both have great wakes SN a bit softer and much less spray, MC leans a bit more. Love both boats.