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Orlando76
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Posted: March-14-2014 at 12:22pm |
I know this isn't a real big deal but I'm having a local plastics place in Orlando cut exact replicas of the plastic that the 2 speedo's mount to. They gave me a ball park price of around $30 each. Mine is spider webbed pretty bad. I was thinking of having maybe 5 or so made so if anybody is interested ill ship you one for cost plus shipping from 32757. They will be ready for SJRR FYI.
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8122pbrainard
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Todd,
Why the acrylic? Have them made out of polycarbonate so the same problem doesn't come up down the lake! Did this "local plastic place" actually recommend the acrylic? If so, maybe they aren't the correct place to go? Ether that or they have some scrap acrylic they would love to sell you for $30!! Did you get fab costs as well as material costs or did they just give you the flat $30 quote?? |
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Orlando76
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I wish I had a better reason but my ignorance went in to the shop with only a picture of the "plastic" installed as I did not plan on going there yet it was just a pipe dream. I told the lady, secretary as she was the only one there that I needed this roughly 12x12 "plastic" duplicated, several holes drilled, one about 3.5". She says a piece of acrylic like that cut and drilled would be roughly $30. Didn't sound bad to me, never thought anything else of it.
Then you asked why acrylic and not polycarbonate and I thought " what the heck s the difference?" Maybe I'm making a mistake? So I did a lil bit of research on acrylic vs polycarbonate to get an idea. Seems to me in this application acrylic will be suffice especially bc of the low cost. I read the poly will yellow in the sun and the yellow is throughout, not a surface yellow that could polish. The poly is of course way stronger but if I need that kind of strength then I'm doing something wrong. The acrylic will chip easiercwhencdrilked near the edge but as I'm having them drill to the dimensions of my old one this isn't a concern of mine with the exception possible switching to black face Airguide as Trbenj pointed to my attention today I guess the pick up tubes are in diff locations but that still isn't near the edge. I guess the acrylic will spider web and not the poly, when the "guy" is there next time I'll ask acrylic vs polycarbonate. But if its only $3~ and 10 screws, if I get 4 years out of the acrylic I'm happy. My searches on poly vs acrylic also turned up a sailing forum that had this debate and overall acrylic won out over polycarbonate. Is there another way to see this, am I missing something? I appreciate bringing this up as I never gave it a bit of thought at first, she could've said acrylic, polycarbonate or myoplastifusedbicarbonate treated with a flux capacitor and I wouldn't have thought much of it. If anybody has any input chime in. |
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8122pbrainard
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Todd,
UV resistant polycarbonate is available. "A clear coating provides exceptional abrasion resistance and protects against UV degradation. All sheets can be used outdoors". I would consider it over acrylic since acrylic is so brittle. One nudge on the speedo is all it takes to break it. Many have broken. Acrylic is even trick to drill. To avoid breaking when drilling, you need to use a drill bit with a zero rake angle on the cutting lip. The biggest advantage of acrylic in my mind is only it's clarity. |
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TRBenj
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Hard I go wrong for $30 if you need a new one, even if it doesn't last...
Were the originals clear or tinted dark (black)? I know my 78 Tique had a black speedo mount, could have sworn the SN used the same. Todd, you get my email? |
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Orlando76
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Sunday night I plan on pulling my mismatched speedos off and the "plastic" and I'll go back to the shop to get a definite and see if polycarbonate is an option there. This is the 3rd shop I been to over the past couple of years and surprisingly the other 2 wouldn't/couldn't help so my local options are slim. I'd assume a jig saw can cut polycarbonate, what would the edge look like? Would it be a finish edge or does some sanding/polishing have to be done? Maybe I can order a piece online and cut it myself. My plastic knowledge is kinda limited I just know it takes A LOT of electricity to produce plastic products. What is the original piece made of?
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DrCC
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On the white dash '73, '74, '75 They were a greenish tint plexi.
On the black dash, I seem to remember a real dark tint. And yes, finishing the edges gets a bit labor intensive. |
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8122pbrainard
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Todd,
You can cut one yourself with basic tools. I've cut several and bought small pieces from McMaster. Yes, the edges will need some clean up. I don't understand Al's comment about it being "labor intensive" unless he's talking flame treating acrylic edges. |
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DrCC
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I file the cut edge, then wet sand and polish.
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8122pbrainard
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Actually, flame treat is quicker than all the wet sand/polish you do!! |
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Orlando76
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I've seen some CC's with the smoked. I'm thinking late 70's. Our two are clear but now that it was mentioned I seem to remember a greenish hue years ago.
Whew, sitting at Al's at Wooten park right now and it's warming up. |
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8122pbrainard
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Todd,
If you do go with the acrylic, go at least a 1/4" thick (5/16 or 3/8 even better) If doing it yourself, don't forget the zero rake on the cutting edge of the drill bit. |
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8122pbrainard
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For anyone not knowing how to modify a standard drill bit for a zero degree cutting angle :drilling plastic especially acrylic
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65 'cuda
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My '73 has smoked. If you make one, file, sand, and polish the edges, don't flame polish them. On a part that small it will not add a lot of time to the project. Flame polishing introduces a lot of stress into the edge of the plastic, you'll discover this later when you bump it, or clean it with a mild solvent, the edge will craze and / or crack.
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Orlando76
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I decided to go with the Smoked. Mine is clear/clearish. I looked at my dads 75 this weekend and his smoked so I don't know where I got the idea of a green hue from. When I took the old one off it took part of the black paint (well I guess it's paint) in a small area around a screw so that was part of the determining factor for the smoked plus I'm refacing my Airguides with the white decals so that should look real good. I'm picking the plastics up tomorrow morning. Hope they match up good.
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DrCC
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Here's the new dial faces from Dean at classicboatwork. All aluminum.
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TRBenj
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Al, any luck getting the mph version of that face made up?
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Orlando76
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Very good looking dash DrCC. I see your plastic is clear but you have the lesser common white dash so I think it makes sense. Has anybody played with restoring the MK27 tach or that series teleflex for the other gauges? My ammeter could use a refresher as well as tach but still decent looking.
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Gary S
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Yes ask away not cheap,and it takes a l o n g time. I had one redone but the face needs to be done yet and Steve had his done 1st and seems happy with the job. They will both be at SJRR link |
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