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SteveHookEm
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They've already installed the new starter and I have labor now for the compression test and I'm assuming labor to pull the heads. And, what mechanic? My main goal is to get the boat running so we can enjoy it and not worry about reliability. I have a "Mustang Guy" that works on the restoration of my son's Foxbody 1988 Coupe. But that car is hardly reliable and I don't think I want him touching my boat! haha He could certainly mount the heads but if something didn't run right then what? I am stuck to him and no boat knowledge. |
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Gary S
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I see you had me worried for a sec. Where mine are going if it freezes I have bigger problems--- Thanks
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8122pbrainard
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Steve,
Have your "Mustang" guy do the work. It's a Ford and he sure should be capable of bolting heads on.
Gary, I'd still be worried. Remember they now make them in China! |
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JPASS
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No way I'd pay $3K for heads on my boat. For that kinda money, I'd do some research and do it myself.
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'92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique
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MrMcD
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You are in a bad spot but recovery is possible.
AER is an automotive Engine Rebuilder in Dallas, they are the largest rebuilder in the country and build for Ford, Nissan and GM to name a few Small customers. They could put out a set of heads locally for you and I bet they would have a set on the shelf for sale. Your shop is not giving you a fair deal. I would take the boat away before they empty your wallet. Needing new heads is not a big deal. There is no magic in a Marine Head compared to a Automotive head. Same casting exactly. A marine builder like PCM might add a little extra clearance in the valve guides because of how hard boats are run but I ran a set of Automotive heads on my 351W in a 78 Nautique for 600 hours and it was running great when sold. Get a new shop or make this a winter project. For the money you are considering you could buy all the tools you need and do this yourself. Use the very best parts and know exactly what you have when done. BTW: My 95 unfortunately had a leak in my boat cover last winter. The moisture caused a few issues but one that I have not fixed yet, have not tried to fix yet, is the starter. It now clicks sometimes when I hit the key. Moisture damage I am sure. It always starts but sometimes I need to hit the key once or twice before it turns over. When I get bored I will pull the starter and clean it up. Before buying new heads for your boat I would pressure check and Mag check your old heads. They may be fine or may be eligible for a simple crack repair. Lock n Stich has been a process used for many years that permanently fixes cracks in heads and blocks. Any quality automotive Machine shop can do that for you. There are shops in nearly every town. Try and get word of mouth advice as to who is the best Machine Shop close to you. Ask repair shops who they sub work out to. |
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MrMcD
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For about $1300 you could get a new set of Ford Racing GT 40 Aluminum heads. |
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SNobsessed
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Here is a suggestion:
Get the boat back, don't bother having the heads remounted. Buy the new parts (the guys here will help you with that). Wait until next spring. Show up at the St. John's river run with parts & a case of beer. My guess is you will be on the water that same day. |
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desertskier
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Most of the guys on this forum are die hard DIY'ers including myself. That being said I know many people that pay to have everything done and never work on anything they own, cars, boats, houses etc... There is nothing wrong with that other than it drives us DIY'ers crazy. From your pictures it looks like you have a very nice boat. It also sounds like you have found a decent mechanic as he doesn't want to take chances with parts that he can't warranty. I suggest that you work with your mechanic and get your boat up and running then never look back. It will be reliable and give you and your family years of enjoyment. Good Luck.
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JayG80
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What shop are you using? Here is a PCM low hour engine from 2000 Ski Nautique.
2000 PCM Marine Engines 5.8 HO Pro Boss GT-40 |
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JPASS
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That thing is clean and he's "asking" $3500. Could probably get it for $3K, |
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'92 Correctcraft Ski Nautique
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SteveHookEm
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OK, boat is done and ready for pickup. Worked out a deal for them to use GT-40P heads. I had them replace the exhaust manifolds and elbows at the same time. When they were pulled, one manifold had a cracked bolt hole and was almost falling apart. All the parts were severely pitted where they mated to the gaskets. So I pulled the trigger to get new right now. And I got all new bolts.
So: New Starter New Solenoid New IAC valve New GT-40P heads New Manifolds New Elbows New Bolts New Gaskets Oil and Filter Water Test Labor $3350 |
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Bri892001
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That hurts, but it the beats the heck out of buying a brand new boat, or even a brand new engine.
Sounds like while you're in there, it made sense to replace anything with questionable mating surfaces. You wouldn't have wanted to worry about leaks after all that. I hope you have good luck from here forward. |
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SteveHookEm
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Thanks! It better be good luck now or my wife will kill me. haha Can't wait to get her out on Saturday to run around! (the boat, not my wife) |
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8122pbrainard
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Steve,
Glad it worked out for you. |
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SteveHookEm
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Thanks for all the help! |
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MrMcD
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Still a great looking boat, glad it is water bound again.
Can I ask what the final damage was? Hope it runs really strong. Keep it inside or do a great job of winterizing, we are in the cold time of year now. |
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SteveHookEm
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Total: $3350 See my first reply above for all that was done. |
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SteveHookEm
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Took her out today and she ran like a Swiss watch! Perfect! No more smoking, no more leaking, no more idle loping. Very happy!
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Gary S
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Thats great,glad you were able to work it out with them. While 3300 sounds like alot for us do it yourself hobbyists it seems like you got alot done and should be set for quite some time. Now go have fun!
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MrMcD
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With proper care you should be good for another 1000 hours. Congratulations.
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