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    Posted: January-30-2016 at 12:32pm
I pulled my engine for rebuild. I assume this is a good time to refresh the transmission.

There were no apparent issues with the transmission, but it is at 1400 hrs.   
Velvet drive 10-17-206, 1.52:1

I'd like to have parts in hand before assembly. I'm looking for some input on the shopping list.

Here are my assumptions and a few questions.
i) Gasket and seal kit

ii) input shaft snap ring

iii) At 1400 hrs, do I assume I need new clutch plates, or wait until I can inspect?

iiia) Eric has posted about using fiber coated steel clutch plates for reverse. Does anyone have a P/N and source for these.

iv) Eric has posted that return springs wear out.   Does this apply to both reverse and forward?

v) For the reduction unit, I'm assuming I start with just seals and a coupling nut. Unless I find trouble on inspection.

vi) 106A damper plate

vii) Is Ebasic power the best source?
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Steve,
Since the trans was running good, I'd lean towards leaving the trans alone besides just a good flush and refit. The Velvets are pretty tough! Take a look at the suction strainer located in the bottom drain and see if there's any evidence of metal particles.

What's the reduction unit you mention. I looked at your past posts looking for what boat you have and didn't find anything. If your Velvet has the reduction, it must be a BIG boat!


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Pete your search function must be malfunctioning today .

He's got a 92 Mastercraft ProStar with a normal rotation 351 and the powerslot transmission hence......the reduction gear.

Kinda agree with Pete, if it doesn't have any problems, why take it apart but if you take it apart then it seems you might as well replace the clutch plates while its apart

Ebasic has good prices, get one of their rebuild kits and you'll have the parts you need

If you take it apart, get yourself a pair of lock ring pliers too, in addition to snap ring pliers. They'll be handy for reassembly too.
   
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Ken,
Thanks! As soon as you mentioned Mastercraft, I remembered. I just must have missed it when I went back in Steve's posts.


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Right, the boat is a mastercraft, 351w with powerslot.
I think I've read on this site that these transmissions last 2000 hrs or so.
The only reason to take it apart now is that it out, staring at me from a dolly on the floor.
That, and the lake will be frozen for a while.

I'm hearing not broke, don't fix.
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I pulled the screen. . .

The reducing bushing was installed by a gorilla. The spring between bushing and screen had broken. No washer to be found.

The front flange of the screen was tilted. An inprint of the spring was embossed on half of the front flange, and the screen itself was buckled inward. This screen was not easy to remove, as the housing was bowed out where the screen bucked in.. I'll try to upload a photo when I am on a real computer rather than phone.

I think it must have been sitting with a tilt when the original installer ran the bushing in with an impact gun.

I can find a replacement screen p/n 1000-238-002.

The spring and washer (p/n 5l-222 and 35-143) shown on the exploded diagram are listed as no-longer used on ebasicpower and other sites. Do I just omit these and replace the screen?

Screen and fluid were very clean by the way.
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Steve,
I took a look at my manual since the reduction trans has the screen in a different location than the 1:1. The spring is there to apply pressure on the screen to seat the screen at the inlet port to the pump. If the screen isn't seated, the pump will draw oil from the sump instead of the return line from the trans cooler. The washer is a spacer and may not be needed depending on how deep the bushing threads into the trans case. I would get the screen and then see how well the new screen will seat at the bottom. If the screen is loose when the bushing is tightened, you will have to come up with some kind of a spacer. I'd look for a O ring since it has some "give" to it and take up the space. A Buna-n O ring will be fine and is typically what local hardware stores carry. Do check the material though.


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Steve

If I was you, I'd punch in this number on your phone and tell them what you have and what you need.

978-887-0001

the name of the place is Atlantis Marine Gear Supply and they're the New England distributor for B/W velvet drives and I'm reasonably sure they can answer your questions with no guesswork involved..

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Steve,
Have you had a chance to call the number Ken provided? I'm curious as to what they say about the spring and washer.
Ken,
Excellent advice to call


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I called basic power and Altantis. They both said it can go back together with screen alone.

The screen housing has a 3/8-1/2" closed section on the nose and tail. I'm guessing that even if it is allowed to float in and out somewhat, the nose and tail have enough overlap against the bore in the case to seal the ends.   I'll take a better look when the new screen arrives.
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Steve,
Good to know about the screen on the reduction Velvets. Thanks for getting back to us. The 1:1 that I'm familiar with, has a spacer tube that positions the screen deeper in the sump so there's additional stack height. Yes, I curious on how the screen will seat. Do get back to us. Thanks again.


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I took some measurements on the new screen.

The nose of the screen gets seated into a stepped bore in the housing at the pump inlet.
The nose of the screen first engages this bore when the tail end is 0.135" into the case. Fully seated it is about 0.490" into the case.   So, 0.35" overlap at the nose when screen is seated.

The reducing bushing snugged pretty tight projects about 0.460" into the case. So there is about 0.030" play, and no risk of the screen falling out without spring.    

I think the base transmission is the same between the 1:1 and the 1:52 so this should also apply to the 1:1, depending on era.

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Steve,
Great info. It sounds like you won't have a problem without the spring. Thanks for getting back to us.


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