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    Posted: December-13-2016 at 5:14pm
I am working on restoring the gel coat on my 1991 Ski Nautique. This is my first time tackling this kind of project and I would appreciate some advice.

Here is my plan:

3M Rubbing Compound (05954) applied with 3M Superbuff Compounding Pad (05704) @ 1500 RPM

3M Finesse-it II Glaze (35928) applied with 3M Superbuff Polishing Pad (05705) @ 1500 RPM

Star Brite Premium Marine Polish with PTEF applied by hand.

3M Ultra Performance Paste Wax applied by hand.

Let me know what you guys think. I am specifically wondering if I need to be using a foam or synthetic pad for machine polishing.

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Originally posted by bpurnell bpurnell wrote:


3M Rubbing Compound (05954) applied with 3M Superbuff Compounding Pad (05704) @ 1500 RPM

3M Finesse-it II Glaze (35928) applied with 3M Superbuff Polishing Pad (05705) @ 1500 RPM


I have used with great results. I used a foam pad for the Glaze but was planning on switching to wool next time round. The boat shines. It will remove oxidation really well and leave the gel nice and glossy.

I don't know anything about the Star Brite product but you probably don't need it. Looks like a cleaner wax to me (polish and wax) I'd probably skip it as you won't need another polish after the 3m Glaze and go straight to waxing. I use Collinite Liquid Fleetwax but 3M should be great too.



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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

3M Super Duty Compound on a 1" pile wool pad, 2x
3M Perfect-It II Compound on a 1.5" pile wool pad, 1x
3M Finesse-It II Finishing Material (this is a polish) on a wool/acrylic blend polishing pad, 2x
Collinites 925 wax, by hand with a microfiber cloth



There is a thread discussing this topic in the FAQ section, and would be a good read for you before you get started.   I quoted Tim's recommendations from the previous thread.    I agree that the StarBrite is not necessary, and also would add that the super duty compound to Finesse- it II is too big a step.   I would use Perfect it II compound instead of the StarBrite so that you can get the scratch marks out from the super duty compound.    I have used this system on paint with very nice results.   Using the system on Gel should produce an even better result as the Gel will take more of a shine.    
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Brian,
Kris mentioning the FAQ thread is a fantastic suggestion. If you haven't found it yet, take a few minutes and take a look at all the links to great info. The gel buff thread link is in the 3rd post.


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super duty compound to Finesse- it II is too big a step.   .    


Have you tried this? The two step process worked really well for me and it's one of the most recommended combination I came across on the internet.

I am honestly asking and not disagreeing. I have only ever done the two steps but if you have seen a difference using perfect it compound, then I will give it a try next time I do my boat.
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Thanks, I looked at the FAQ page.

I gave the wrong 3M code for the product I was planning to use for the first step. It is 3M Rubbing Compound (09004). It says on the bottle to follow-up with 3M Marine Finess-it II Glaze.
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Originally posted by Blamey Blamey wrote:

Originally posted by Dreaming Dreaming wrote:

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super duty compound to Finesse- it II is too big a step.   .    


Have you tried this? The two step process worked really well for me and it's one of the most recommended combination I came across on the internet.

I am honestly asking and not disagreeing. I have only ever done the two steps but if you have seen a difference using perfect it compound, then I will give it a try next time I do my boat.

Yes, too big of a step for optimal results. You can see the micro scratches left by the SD that the Finesse-It II couldn't remove in 1-2 passes. The intermediate step will ultimately save time and produce a better shine.
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Thanks for the advice. Which Perfect-it II product do you recommend? There seems to be several. Do you happen to have the 3M Product code?
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Use 3M Perfect-it rubbing compound. 3M Number: 06085
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:


Yes, too big of a step for optimal results. You can see the micro scratches left by the SD that the Finesse-It II couldn't remove in 1-2 passes. The intermediate step will ultimately save time and produce a better shine.


Cool, Next time round I'll do a two stage of Perfect It compound then Marine Glaze.

Another question is what do you all do for maintenance? I was considering doing a cleaner wax at the start of the season and then wax in the middle and again at the end end of summer.

Generally how often do you need to Polish to maintain the gel coat. I don't want to overdo it but want to try and keep it look good.
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Answer has a lot to do with how much exposure the boat get's Paul. My 05' as an example, garage stored or under canopy on the lift 98% of the time, this past spring was the first time it needed a polish and just used a mild polish with an orbital buffer. I typically only wax in the spring, have always used Collonite Paste up until this spring as I ran out, used Meguires Flagship marine wax and there was an obvious difference in the protection vs the Collinite, definitely going back to the Collinite!!
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Originally posted by quinner quinner wrote:

Answer has a lot to do with how much exposure the boat get's Paul.


I guess that makes sense, thanks Chris.

Originally posted by quinner quinner wrote:

there was an obvious difference in the protection vs the Collinite, definitely going back to the Collinite!!


Good to know, I'll stick with Collinite.
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Originally posted by Blamey Blamey wrote:

Originally posted by Dreaming Dreaming wrote:

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super duty compound to Finesse- it II is too big a step.   .    


Have you tried this? The two step process worked really well for me and it's one of the most recommended combination I came across on the internet.

I am honestly asking and not disagreeing. I have only ever done the two steps but if you have seen a difference using perfect it compound, then I will give it a try next time I do my boat.



I think the discussion is good, no ill intent received from the questions - and I agree with what Tim said above.    The point of each step is to take out the micro scratching the last step left.   Compounding works just like in sanding in that , 800 will eventually take out 36 grit scratches, but there is a lot more work in getting there than using the grits inbetween.   Finesse it is very very fine, and does a great job of the final polish/swirl removal step, but would take several passes to get rid of the scratching left by the compounding step.    Again, my experience is on paint, not gel, so I suspect that the paint being softer would yield a result faster than the gel when skipping steps...   less work to add a step of medium polish instead of adding 2 - 3 passes with the fine polish.    
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I'll 2nd the opinion that Super Duty to Finesse-it 2 is too big of a step. On black Gel I could clearly see swirl/scratch marks even after 2-3 passes of Finesse.
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Originally posted by C-Bass C-Bass wrote:

I'll 2nd the opinion that Super Duty to Finesse-it 2 is too big of a step. On black Gel I could clearly see swirl/scratch marks even after 2-3 passes of Finesse.


Interesting. I didn't notice any swirl/scratch marks on my white hull (besides the bigger scratches the compound didn't get). I'll follow up on this in the spring once I have tested and seen the difference when using the Perfect It. compound then Glaze.

I am new to all this but have a small obsession with polishing my boat and trying to figure out what works best.
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Compound and polish are just abrasive particles suspended in liquid. You wouldn't go from a heavy compound to a fine polish in one step just like you don't go from 320 grit to 1000 sand paper.

I've got some 3 micron diamond paste here if anyone wants to get real shiny.
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Thanks guys. I plan to buy some perfect-it Compound.
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I've got some 3 micron diamond paste here if anyone wants to get real shiny.


Save that for your prop lapping!! You will need it this spring.
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Hi I was looking at the compounds to us and came up with these but could not find the pads with the same description.
     

3M™ Super Duty Rubbing Compound, 1 Quart

Weight: 3.0000 lbs
     $25.50      

3M™ Finesse-It™ II Machine Polish, 1 Quart

Weight: 3.0000 lbs
     $55.75

3M™ Perfect-It™ II Rubbing Compound, 1 Gallon

Weight: 11.0000 lbs
     $68.50      

These are the right items? If someone knows the pad numbers add it to the list. I copied these prices from DADS web site. Followed the link on the FAQ.

     

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You don't need a gallon of the Perfect It rubbing compound.
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Hi I didn't think I would need a gallon, it was the only size they had listed on the site. I'm thinking a quart would take care of it.
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Try this:

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You could also try here,they have the pads and everything http://www.tptools.com/3M-Rubbing-Compound,5493.html?b=s*3M+-+Perfect-It™+Rubbing+Compound
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I think this is a different product than what was suggested earlier. I think the product number suggested was 06085.
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