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MrMcD ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-28-2014 Location: Folsom, CA Status: Offline Points: 3778 |
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Good Looking vehicle, what engine option did you go with?
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Jonny Quest ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: August-20-2013 Location: Utah--via Texas Status: Offline Points: 3009 |
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From Toyota:
4.0-Liter V6 DOHC 24-Valve with Dual Independent Variable Valve Timing, 270 hp @ 5600 rpm; 278 lb.-ft. @ 4400 rpm. Sorry KENO, its not red. Toyota calls their red "Barcelona Red Metallic". Didn't work for me. JQ |
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2003 Ski Nautique 206 Limited Previous 2001 Ski Nautique Open Bow 1994 Ski Nautique Open Bow Aqua skiing, ergo sum |
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Smithfamily ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December-26-2007 Location: Orlando, Fl Status: Offline Points: 1602 |
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![]() Bought ours in April. Does NOT pull as well as the 4x4 Suburban, but does the job well. Full time 4 wheel, Limited loaded. So far, so good. |
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Jonny Quest ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: August-20-2013 Location: Utah--via Texas Status: Offline Points: 3009 |
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Your set-up is similar to mine. NWZ hull and tandem trailer. Have you weighed your boat & trailer?
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2003 Ski Nautique 206 Limited Previous 2001 Ski Nautique Open Bow 1994 Ski Nautique Open Bow Aqua skiing, ergo sum |
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OldSchoolBlue84 ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December-02-2012 Location: Valparaiso, IN Status: Offline Points: 814 |
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đź‘ŤYou have my twin, great vehicle overall. |
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JD ski ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September-25-2016 Location: North of Tahoe Status: Offline Points: 199 |
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Nice looking rig. Will tow fine unless at high altitude and starting from a dead stop on a steep hill such as getting stopped by road construction just prior to cresting the mountains going into Tahoe. I would also suggest not following the first recommended scheduled oil change. Instead change the oil at 500 miles. Precautionary, anal, yes, but I like to know what is happening inside. If you have a motor running 0w-20 wt. the recommended oil change is 10,000. I change at 5000. My dealer informed me back in 2010 that the government had implemented regulations on manufactures to decrease the recommended oil change intervals to decrease use and waste. 10,000 mile oil changes are not what would be recommended. However, there is a million mile Tundra out there that Toyota bought back and examined. May be 10,000 mile oil changes work.
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JD ski, slicing, dicing, and shredding since 1981
1999 Air Nautique, GT40 Pro Boss, Trail Rite trailer 1975 Century Resorter |
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Smithfamily ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December-26-2007 Location: Orlando, Fl Status: Offline Points: 1602 |
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That "Million Mile Tundra" is an interesting read!! Look it up. I especially like the part where they were afraid to put it on the Dyno at the risk of blowing the motor, thus losing all possibilities of data retrieval. Night crew did not see memo!!
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AAM196 ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October-23-2012 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Status: Offline Points: 846 |
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On paper it seems ok trading my 260hp 306 #ft torque of my 2007 5.7 V8 for the 270hp 278#ft torque of the new V6... but driving it, I get a very different opinion/feel.. I do tow thru mountains and my V8 does great... not sure how many more years/miles I can stretch out of it.
The kicker is, the V6 really doesn't get much better fuel economy. |
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DVskier ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-04-2014 Location: Seneca SC Status: Offline Points: 449 |
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Torque is king, also no replacement for displacement.
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 14096 |
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Exactly. I don't see anyone here wanting their Nautique to have a V6. Wish my Avalanche had the 6.0 and 3.42 axle
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63 Skier ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-06-2006 Location: Concord, NH Status: Offline Points: 4292 |
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Well Gary, I've said this before, but I think the 5.3 is a misunderstood and maligned engine. It just needs to be revved, Granted, the 6 speed is far superior to the older 4 speed and not sure what vintage yours is. My Tahoe towed very well if I was willing to push the pedal and drop a few gears, tow mode worked quite well.
We've had several 6.0 trucks at work, they are strong and reliable but by modern standards boy do they suck down gas. |
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'63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 14096 |
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I have heard you Dave but still when going through Tennessee mountains with the Super Sport in tow a 308 gear reving to the moon at 50 on the interstate makes me nervous
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gun-driver ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: July-18-2008 Location: Pittsburgh, Pa Status: Offline Points: 4127 |
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Here’s the problem how often and how long do you want to stay at these RPM’s These advertised HP and Torque figures are useless unless your running the 1/4 mile towing they don’t mean diddley. |
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DVskier ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-04-2014 Location: Seneca SC Status: Offline Points: 449 |
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Exactly, remember the Toyota Epic ski boat that had a Lexus 4.0 L V-8? Wind to the moon but no low end torque. Torque is what gets the mass moving, HP keeps it moving. You cannot beat a large displacement V-8 for a ski boat. Correct Craft has now made the 6.2L the standard engine for the 2019 promo boats, the 6L is standard for all others. Talking ski boats not wake barges.
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63 Skier ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-06-2006 Location: Concord, NH Status: Offline Points: 4292 |
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Right Gary, the 3.08 is a very different story, I had 3.42. To be honest, when talking this over with a friend a few years ago, I couldn't imagine why they offered 3.08, with my gears I could run 70 mph under 2000 rpm, quiet and smooth and decent economy, why would you ever want the taller gears? I'm with you on your dream vehicle! I spoke to the Duraburb people a few years ago, they take a donor Suburban or Tahoe and fit it with a Duramax LBZ, really do a great job with them. I thought about it pretty seriously. |
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'63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique
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MrMcD ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-28-2014 Location: Folsom, CA Status: Offline Points: 3778 |
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I have had 4 of the GM full size Tahoe, Denali, Yukon, Suburban's. The 5.3L is a good engine and pulls very well. I had a Tahoe with the 4.10 rear gear and it was a really strong tow vehicle. At 70 MPH it was already running at 2,400 RPM. If I had to drop to 3rd at that speed I was over 3,000 RPM so it pulled really well.
The Denali I had came with a 3.42 gear and the 6.0L. That engine was a big power boost over the 5.3L. It flat out hauled when you stepped on it. Both these rigs got about the same MPG. I did not like the 3.42 gears in the mountains, both the 4.10 and 3.73 gears really helped compared to the 3.42 while towing. Even with the extra engine power the Denali was always downshifting while pulling the trailer so I preferred the other ratio's. The old no replacement for displacement statement is now obsolete. The new Turbocharged Gas and Diesel engines make more torque than the old big blocks did. My son has a X5 BMW Diesel, 3.0L 6 cyl that has 450 foot pounds of torque at a ridiculous 1,600 RPM and pulls 30 MPG or better on the highway. Several other small Diesels are out now changing the game. |
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DVskier ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-04-2014 Location: Seneca SC Status: Offline Points: 449 |
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Diesels are certainly in another class of pulling power. No doubt about it. However a friend has a 2 year old Ford F 150 eco boost that does a great job until you hook a loaded boat trailer to and go uphill. It pulls ok but uses a lot more fuel than the former 5 L v-8 he previously owned. Now he does have the 2.7 L eco boost instead of the 3.5 L.
What can I say, I like big engines. |
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gun-driver ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: July-18-2008 Location: Pittsburgh, Pa Status: Offline Points: 4127 |
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7,000 lb excavator 3,500 lb trailer the hills of S. western Pa 6.0 Powerstroke no problem
V6 twin turbo I don’t think so not even with nitrous ![]() |
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DVskier ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: September-04-2014 Location: Seneca SC Status: Offline Points: 449 |
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Totally agree!
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21198 |
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I see a lot more diesel pickups being used as grocery getters than I do 4runners being asked to tow beyond their 5500lb capacity. For towing a 4k lb ski boat a dozen times per year, and otherwise used to commute to work and haul the kids around, I have a theory on which is the better tool for the job. The V6 is adequate, if not overwhelming- and the truck in general is well sorted, with good brakes. If the 5th gen is anywhere near as reliable as the 4th gen, it won’t spend much time in the shop. 275k/255k on my 2 so far.
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gun-driver ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: July-18-2008 Location: Pittsburgh, Pa Status: Offline Points: 4127 |
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Maybe my kids eat a lot and I need my diesel to grocery shop.
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rebel skier ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October-17-2014 Location: Middle Tenn Status: Offline Points: 777 |
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I am surprised its not higher. My Tacoma is over 6000.
I have towed at capacity, but would never recommend towing over capacity. Some here do it. If you are comfortable, go for it. If you end up in a wreck every ambulance chasing attorney within miles is coming after you. Make sure your umbrella policy is paid in full. |
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Hotty Toddy lets go skiing!
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21198 |
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Im guessing lower vehicle weight probably explains the different tow ratings Tacoma vs 4Runner. The 4th Gen was about a 1k lb difference (5500 vs 6500) for 4x4 v6 models (talking taco access cab, double cab may have been less?). The v8 4Runner was 7k/7200.
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Orlando76 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: May-21-2013 Location: Mount Dora, FL Status: Offline Points: 3108 |
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Pretty certain double cab had higher tow rating than the 4 door. I assumed 4 runners lower rating is because of its rear coils vs taco leafs.
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21198 |
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Double cab = 4 door (crew)
Access cab = ext cab Rear coils being the limitation doesn’t make sense since the v8 4Runner is rated at 7k+. |
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