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Orlando76
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Perfectly normal due to inadequate ground.
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mjajennings
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Can you suggest any search word or threads about how to remedy the inadequate ground issue?im having a heck of a time with searches as one of the the new guys. Thanks.
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KENO
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Let Google be your friend and search correctcraftfan dash grounds and you'll come up with a bunch of reading
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KENO
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That’s like magic, thanks Keno!
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wiscofoot
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Is this an agreed on fact? Is the TStat cover gasket a PCM unique part? I know it is different than the standard 351w auto gasket but I'm trying to source one locally and not pay big bucks for slow shipping on a 2 dollar part from DIM. |
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GottaSki
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In this age of improvisation, I wouldn't hesitate to cut a gasket from loclly available gasket sheet stock, it's not like it's a head gasket, just warm water under low pressure
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Gary S
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First picture is of a PCM thermostat cover gasket (green) and a thermostat lower housing to manifold gasket. Second picture is the PCM cover gasket and an aftermarket gasket Here they are on top of each other,at the 1:00 position you can see the aftermarket gasket is cut about 1/16" over. Is there a difference you be the judge... |
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KENO
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You're a power plant engineer I seem to remember. Go visit the maintenance shop and they'll show you how to make a gasket Here a a few pictures showing what you need to do it the "backyard hack" way So easy a caveman can do it, but he'd probably use a rock instead of a ball pein hammer Put the upper housing in a vise as shown, put the gasket material on the housing and lightly bang away using the ball end of the hammer and you end up with a gasket. All 4 holes can be done with the hammer only and if you want to get fancy you can trim things but it's not necessary Don't worry too much about the outside edges, tap enough to get the outline then cut with a pair of scissors 1/32 inch gasket material from your favorite parts store (or maintenance shop) works fine. Ask for rubber fiber gasket material For 6 or 7 bucks or so, you'll have enough material to make a whole bunch of gaskets or screw up once or twice and still have plenty leftover. Then you won't have to buy a genuine PCM gasket or an aftermarket version of it. The automotive ones don't work because the thermostat mounts directly to the manifold and there's no lower housing.....just the thermostat and the cover So.................go for it, you can do it |
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Gary S
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What ? link |
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KENO
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Whaddya mean "what" ?
What I'm saying is that if you go to the parts store and get the automotive thermostat gasket it won't work between the lower housing and the cover for the thermostat. That gasket will work between the PCM lower housing and the intake manifold though. The automotive gasket has the medium size hole in it and that hole's not needed on the marine engine but the gasket still works between the PCM lower housing and the block Maybe you're saying the same thing? First picture is the cover gasket GREEN and a housing to manifold gasket BLUE Second picture is one on top of the other |
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wiscofoot
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Thanks guys, I actually bought the one in the link last year and then modified it kind of like Ken described. And yes I know I can make one, just trying to save some time when I unwinterize this weekend and try to efficiently diagnose and fix my issue with water getting by the closed thermostat and not letting my engine warm up and thus not letting me change my oil in the driveway.
What I was more curious about is a definitive answer about the T stat, I've seen several conflicting answers. Do the marine thermostats allow more flow when closed than automotive thermostats? Did they come from the factory with holes drilled in them like some of the "performance" hot rod auto ones? Are they all stainless? |
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KENO
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You'll get all kinds of conflicting answers on that t stat question. They're not all stainless, they don't all have holes in them and they don't allow more flow when closed. unless there are holes drilled. A PCM branded 143 degree thermostat is not stainless and has no extra holes And besides, it's kinda tough to find a 143 degree automotive thermostat. Buy a PCM 143 thermostat for the best chance of getting good results |
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Gary S
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Yea I misunderstood you Ken,for some reason I had it in my head that you could not substitute a thermostat gasket for this special PCM one which in you guy's case is fine. Too many special "marine" gaskets
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SNobsessed
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Doesn't the thermostat housing have a relief hole cast into it?
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Yes. When the block is full and cold water is circling in it this hole allows The water you’re still sucking up to get out the exhaust.
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Not sure why you'd need a stat with relief holes in it for these engines. Only time I've seen that done is for some diesels to improve cold weather warm-up because in around-town driving they wouldn't heat up enough to open the stat, and the heater core wasn't warming up.
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KENO
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I think I know what you're asking...........then again maybe not Here are some pictures First one is a 351W intake showing the coolant outlet that the lower thermostat housing bolts to. It's got a bypass hole around the thermostat Second picture shows the mating surface of the lower thermostat housing where it mates to the intake. There's no corresponding bypass hole So there's no way for water inside the engine to get out until the thermostat starts to open, except for whatever might leak by the closed thermostat. Some people sell thermostats with bypass holes to let some water flow, some drill their own holes, some leave it as is Those two pictures show why Gary's PCM gasket with no extra hole and the automotive one with the extra hole will both work . In the automotive setup that bypass path is always there but not in a PCM marine setup. The third picture we could call Hollywood's hole, that doesn't sound too good but I figure it's the one he's talkin' about. It gives flow from the RWP a constant flowpath to the exhaust manifolds whether the thermostat is open or closed. The zip tie through the hole shows how it gets from the raw water inlet connection to the area above the thermostat. |
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