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onebigdog ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: June-10-2019 Location: Brighton, Michi Status: Offline Points: 37 |
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Okay gang, the Mustang motor and transmission is running well, but the motor is getting hot under load. Runs fine in the driveway and at idle, but hits 200 degrees with a significant load. Questions: Can I disconnect the water intake before the water pump without sinking the boat? Is it possible to troubleshoot the hoses on the intake side of the water pump with the boat in the water? Any help is appreciated!
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Sean,
Yes, you can remove the suction side hose from the RWP but keep the end high above the waterline. Have you checked the condition of the impellers? Are all you suction side hose connections tight? You say it runs fine in the driveway and I assume you have it connected to the hose. If so, understand that the water pressure from the hose will mask pump problems. BTW, what engine is it? EDIT: I see from a previous post that you have the Chrysler 200. |
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onebigdog ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: June-10-2019 Location: Brighton, Michi Status: Offline Points: 37 |
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Ok. I checked the intake hoses and water flows freely when I disconnect and hold lower than the water line. Tightened all the intake hose clamps and still running hot. Is it better to replace the thermostat first or take apart the water pump?
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Sean,
Before the T stat, check the impellers in the RWP. Have you (or maybe the PO) run the engine without water? The rubber impellers are water lubricated so without water it doesn't take long to burn them up. |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Did you have the hose hooked up?
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onebigdog ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: June-10-2019 Location: Brighton, Michi Status: Offline Points: 37 |
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Yes, I always ran it with the hose hooked up in the driveway. I just pulled the thermostat out to see how it would run wide open and it still started getting hot. Unless the thermostat works opposite a car and opens to relieve water flow to the engine? Instead of opening to provide more water to the engine? Not sure how that would work. Anyways, do I assume I have to take the water pump apart in order to see how it is working?
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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The T stat works the same as automotive. |
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onebigdog ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: June-10-2019 Location: Brighton, Michi Status: Offline Points: 37 |
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There are two ports on the top of the water pump. If I turn the pulley by hand the front one pulls in water. The back port does not. Is this correct? I assume the back port should also provide positive pressure and this feeds the top of the water jackets. (Or else it is vacuum and is supposed to pull water up through the water jackets....doesn't sound right) The inlet from the lake is connected to a port on the back directly below the port that does not appear to be working. The hose on the front bottom directly below the top front that is priming goes to the cooler on the transmission. My guess is the top back port should provide positive water flow and that this is the problem?
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Sean,
Your engine has a double RWP. Both sides pump cooling water to different engine areas. Chrysler marine engines have a rather complicated cooling system. Take a look at the engine manual in the reference section for the cooling schematic. It's too complicated to explain! |
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my dual impeller pump needed a bushing machined and installed on the back side. the shaft was not fitting tight and allowing air in which resulted in very little suction and not much pumping even with new impellers.
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onebigdog ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: June-10-2019 Location: Brighton, Michi Status: Offline Points: 37 |
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Thanks for all the ideas. The water pump has a secondary inlet with water being pulled through the transmission heat exchanger from the water jackets. Kinda weird. Anyways, this transmission cooler was totally clogged with rust chips. Cleaned it out and I am running much better. Question: What would be an acceptable operating temperature under heavy load? The gauge bumped up above 180 closing in on 200 so I throttled down and it quickly went back to about 120.
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GottaSki ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: April-21-2005 Location: NE CT Status: Offline Points: 3365 |
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Just take it apart, install 2 fresh impellars and go boating.
make certain you take picture before you remove the pump and don't mix up the gazintas and gazoutas. Check hose routing against the water flow reference images in the Chrysler manual documents |
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phatsat67 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: March-13-2006 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 6157 |
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Mopars seem to run about 140-160. You also have to remember the gauges may not be functioning properly after all these years.
Pick up a cheap IR temperature gun, It will be very helpful when owning an old boat, You will want to shoot things like the freeze plugs in the block (thin so you get a good temp reading) and the thermostat housing and intake manifold cross over to get an idea of how hot the water is. You could also pick up a "manual" capillary temperature gauge for testing. Improperly grounded gauges or low voltage supply to the gauges could over exaggerate temperature rise. +1 on install fresh impellers before doing much else. |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Sean, Better or not, what's the condition of the impellers? The impellers are important! ![]()
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onebigdog ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: June-10-2019 Location: Brighton, Michi Status: Offline Points: 37 |
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I have not cracked open the water pump, but the impellers look and feel pretty good by inspection from the top. I will open up the water pump at the end of the week and order parts. Latest is a transmission fluid leak. Replaced a hose that I thought was bad but still leaking. Hope it's not a housing or gasket on the unit. I'm gonna quit for the day and take a look tomorrow.
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onebigdog ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: June-10-2019 Location: Brighton, Michi Status: Offline Points: 37 |
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Next question: The rubber flywheel observation cover does not seal against the housing which is causing trans fluid to spill out of the housing. Yes, trans fluid on the flywheel. So I assume that this is a blown seal of some type inside of the trans?
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onebigdog ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: June-10-2019 Location: Brighton, Michi Status: Offline Points: 37 |
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Another idea.. Is the trans fluid leaking when the motor gets too hot? (As the trans heats up as well) Or do you think I have to pull the trans and replace a seal?
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11191 |
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Skip your "another idea" Pull the transmission, find the leak and fix it ![]() |
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onebigdog ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: June-10-2019 Location: Brighton, Michi Status: Offline Points: 37 |
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Dang, that interior trans seal is going to be a bear of a fix. Any suggestions of how to support the back end of the motor while I pull the trans? Or is engine hoist pretty much the only option?
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Bottle jacks under the exhaust manifolds aft. With the forward engine mounts loose and the aft mounts unbolted, the engine will tilt up so you can pull the trans.
While you are in there, I suggest replacing the damper plate. $100 well spent. |
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onebigdog ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: June-10-2019 Location: Brighton, Michi Status: Offline Points: 37 |
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My new impellers arrived and have been installed in the water pump. The boat now runs at about 150 degrees when I am running it hard. 120 degrees at idle. The transmission starts to slip after a few minutes so now it's time to take that apart and figure out what is going on. Does anyone have any suggestions for a marina that will do a good job of rebuilding a transmission?
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Check the fluid level in the trans first, Hopefully the slip is just from a low level and not warped clutch plates. They can warp from an overheat.
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onebigdog ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: June-10-2019 Location: Brighton, Michi Status: Offline Points: 37 |
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It leaks fluid fast into the bell housing. Doesn't slip initially, but slips after a short time due to a serious leak. I will pull trans next week and then look for recommendations from the group.
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From a previous post:
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11191 |
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I guess you just can't wait a week Pete
Give him a chance now ![]() There are other things that can leak on the front of the pump too |
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