Forums
NautiqueParts.comNautiqueSkins.com - Correct Craft Upholstery and Part
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - 86 SN 2001 - Low idle and eventual stalling
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

86 SN 2001 - Low idle and eventual stalling

 Post Reply Post Reply   
Author
gsmith795 View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie
Avatar

Joined: June-09-2015
Location: E.Wakefield, NH
Status: Offline
Points: 35
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gsmith795 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: 86 SN 2001 - Low idle and eventual stalling
    Posted: June-10-2020 at 12:14pm
Hi All - I did a bunch of searching through existing threads but couldn't quite find one that matched my situation, so apologies if this is a common topic but I'm hoping it's a quick troubleshoot.

I spent an afternoon power washing my bilge to get rid of a ton of oil and grease that had accumulated. I tried to avoid engine components but spray may have hit some parts that it shouldn't have. My issue now is that the engine is idling very low, around 200-500 rpm, the tach 'bounces' off a low of 100-200 rpm up to about 500 rpm until it eventually stalls out after 20-30 seconds.

What are some of the common issues that would lead to this symptom? I've seen references to the anti-siphon valve, I've also seen people suggest issues with the carb. The engine has been running strong, idling well, and not giving me any issues for years, so it seems like I sprayed something I shouldnt have...

Thanks in advance.
Back to Top
8122pbrainard View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: September-14-2006
Location: Three Lakes Wi.
Status: Offline
Points: 41045
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 8122pbrainard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-10-2020 at 12:21pm
Tim,
Does the engine sound like it's missing on some cylinders? I'd open up as many rubber wiring connectors including plug wires as well as the distributor cap. Let dry, reconnect and see if there's an improvement.


54 Atom


77 Tique

64 X55 Dunphy

Keep it original, Pete
<
Back to Top
8122pbrainard View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: September-14-2006
Location: Three Lakes Wi.
Status: Offline
Points: 41045
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 8122pbrainard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-10-2020 at 12:25pm
I've found this works great: Dawn dish soap too.



Add some water to the bilge, go for a nice long ride so the mix sloshes around and drain. No spraying with the hose.


54 Atom


77 Tique

64 X55 Dunphy

Keep it original, Pete
<
Back to Top
gsmith795 View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie
Avatar

Joined: June-09-2015
Location: E.Wakefield, NH
Status: Offline
Points: 35
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gsmith795 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-10-2020 at 12:36pm
Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Tim,
Does the engine sound like it's missing on some cylinders? I'd open up as many rubber wiring connectors including plug wires as well as the distributor cap. Let dry, reconnect and see if there's an improvement.


Doesn't sound like individual cylinders are the issue, sounds more like fuel is insufficient when throttle is in neutral and not supplying the engine properly. When I increase the throttle and raise the RPM's the engine runs smooth and sounds normal. Seems like the engine just isn't getting enough fuel when i'm in neutral. I pulled a couple plugs off the distributor and see no signs of moisture.


Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

I've found this works great: Dawn dish soap too.



Add some water to the bilge, go for a nice long ride so the mix sloshes around and drain. No spraying with the hose.


Thanks for the tip! I used dish soap as well, but the 'add soap and drive around' approach definitely seems safer than spraying pressurized water into the bilge area....
Back to Top
lakedog55 View Drop Down
Gold Member
Gold Member


Joined: November-11-2010
Location: Lake Weir Fl
Status: Offline
Points: 835
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote lakedog55 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-15-2020 at 2:47pm
Turn the idle screw in a little. Works better if you hold throttle open or disconnect at carb. I always forget to put the quick connect back on at carb.
Lakedog55
Back to Top
8122pbrainard View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: September-14-2006
Location: Three Lakes Wi.
Status: Offline
Points: 41045
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 8122pbrainard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-15-2020 at 3:13pm
Originally posted by lakedog55 lakedog55 wrote:

Turn the idle screw in a little.

Mike,
Don't you think Tim should be looking for the problem instead of the "turn the idle screw in" crutch?


54 Atom


77 Tique

64 X55 Dunphy

Keep it original, Pete
<
Back to Top
gsmith795 View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie
Avatar

Joined: June-09-2015
Location: E.Wakefield, NH
Status: Offline
Points: 35
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gsmith795 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-15-2020 at 3:22pm
Actually, I have a quick update here. A neighbor who has way more experience than I do stopped by to look at the engine with me and he made a few adjustments:
- tightened the four bolts holding each of the two components on the sides of the carb (not sure what those are called)
- adjusted the two screws on either side of the carb (again, not sure what these are called)
- adjusted the idle screw

We were able to get the engine to idle nice and smooth at around 500-600 rpm after these adjustments, and I assumed we had resolved the issue, but when I took the boat out for a quick test ride the engine started to stall out and lose power around 3k rpm's, so it seems we may have fixed one issue and created another....

I'll probably pull my neighbor back over to take another look when I'm back at the lake this weekend.
Back to Top
8122pbrainard View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: September-14-2006
Location: Three Lakes Wi.
Status: Offline
Points: 41045
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 8122pbrainard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-15-2020 at 3:30pm
Originally posted by gsmith795 gsmith795 wrote:

Actually, I have a quick update here. A neighbor who has way more experience than I do stopped by to look at the engine with me and he made a few adjustments:
- adjusted the two screws on either side of the carb (again, not sure what these are called)
.

Did he hook up a vacuum gauge when he made this adjustment?

I still think something got wet since didn't the problem start after you washed the bilge?


54 Atom


77 Tique

64 X55 Dunphy

Keep it original, Pete
<
Back to Top
SNobsessed View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah


Joined: October-21-2007
Location: IA
Status: Offline
Points: 7102
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SNobsessed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-15-2020 at 7:55pm
Maybe spark plug wires got wet?
“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”

Ben Franklin
Back to Top
gsmith795 View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie
Avatar

Joined: June-09-2015
Location: E.Wakefield, NH
Status: Offline
Points: 35
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gsmith795 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-15-2020 at 8:05pm
Originally posted by SNobsessed SNobsessed wrote:

Maybe spark plug wires got wet?


pbrainard suggested that as well, I think maybe I need to check more closely. I pulled each plug off the distributor cap and didn't see any signs of moisture so I replaced them, but maybe I need to let them stay off to dry for a bit.


Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Did he hook up a vacuum gauge when he made this adjustment?

I still think something got wet since didn't the problem start after you washed the bilge?


We didn't use a vacuum gauge during the adjustments. Do you know of a writeup on how that would work? I'm guessing my neighbor is probably familiar with that process but just curious if you know of any resources I can look at.
Back to Top
8122pbrainard View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: September-14-2006
Location: Three Lakes Wi.
Status: Offline
Points: 41045
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 8122pbrainard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-15-2020 at 8:49pm


54 Atom


77 Tique

64 X55 Dunphy

Keep it original, Pete
<
Back to Top
Crmaverick View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: July-06-2019
Location: Central MA
Status: Offline
Points: 190
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Crmaverick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-24-2020 at 1:07pm
Mine did this and it was from a tiny orifice on the primary metering block that was plugged up.
Back to Top
gsmith795 View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie
Avatar

Joined: June-09-2015
Location: E.Wakefield, NH
Status: Offline
Points: 35
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gsmith795 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-26-2020 at 8:45am
Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Tim,
Here's a youtube on setting a Holley idle mix


Really helpful, thanks!
Back to Top
gsmith795 View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie
Avatar

Joined: June-09-2015
Location: E.Wakefield, NH
Status: Offline
Points: 35
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gsmith795 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June-26-2020 at 8:56am
Originally posted by Crmaverick Crmaverick wrote:

Mine did this and it was from a tiny orifice on the primary metering block that was plugged up.


After a few adjustments and replacing some old components, it seems we’ve identified and fixed the issue.

While we were checking and replacing the points, we found that the distributor cap had a small chip in it at the bottom where it sits on the base, which may have allowed some moisture to get in and caused the bad idle and/or the loss of power happening around 3k rpm.

I’ll keep monitoring to ensure things are running smooth, but it seems that ignition and carb are both tuned properly and when all is said and done the boat will have new points, rotor, cap, and fuel filter, and I’ll have a lot of new knowledge
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Copyright 2024 | Bagley Productions, LLC