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    Posted: January-28-2021 at 5:05am
I have four Jabsco Ballast Puppy pumps installed in my boat, feeding ballast tanks. Yes, we wakeboard and (gasp) wakesurf behind my 2001.

The pumps are currently mounted in the bilge near the shaft log. They get too wet there, and hence have started failing from corrosion. I need to move them to a drier (above floor level) location. The space behind the rear seat is a possibility. Is the possibility of the pumps' motors causing sparks something to be concerned about in a location right by the fuel tank? The motor housings fully enclose the motors, but they dont seal absolutely watertight (hence the corrosion problem).
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 Provided that your tank doesn't have any leaks of any sort including the vent line then you should be good to go. It's not the raw fuel that will cause the explosion but the vapor from it. I've seen some boats actually have the bilge blower mounted above the tank. Pretty sure the ballast tank pumps in the newer model boats are located around the fuel tanks and probably right beside it. I think you'll be fine.
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Good point about the bilge blower location - that is exactly the factory location where mine is!
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And for a little more reassurance that you'll be OK, find the model number of your pump and look up the info, looking for those magic words that say  "ignition protected motor" like in the picture in the link below
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Originally posted by Wilhelm Hertzog Wilhelm Hertzog wrote:


The pumps are currently mounted in the bilge near the shaft log. They get too wet there, and hence have started failing from corrosion. I need to move them to a drier (above floor level) location. .

Wilhelm,
I suspect the NPSH (the ability to suck water vertically) is low and the reason the pumps are located below the waterline. So, do check with the manufacturer to see if they can be moved up and what would happen with their pumping ability. 


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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by Wilhelm Hertzog Wilhelm Hertzog wrote:


The pumps are currently mounted in the bilge near the shaft log. They get too wet there, and hence have started failing from corrosion. I need to move them to a drier (above floor level) location. .

Wilhelm,
I suspect the NPSH (the ability to suck water vertically) is low and the reason the pumps are located below the waterline. So, do check with the manufacturer to see if they can be moved up and what would happen with their pumping ability. 


A little light reading in the link below about Jabsco self priming flexible impeller pumps or pretty much any other flexible impeller pump like the Raw Water Pump on your boat that self primes just fine from above the floor (sole for you Pete Wink) level as long as you don't have any suction line air leaks.

Plenty of them installed at floor level in peoples ballast systems
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

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do check with the manufacturer to see if they can be moved up and what would happen with their pumping ability. 

Thanks Pete and Ken. I have checked with the manufacturer (Xylem) and according to them the pumps will prime up to a height of three feet, so mounting a foot or two above the floor/sole should be fine.
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Originally posted by Wilhelm Hertzog Wilhelm Hertzog wrote:

Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

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do check with the manufacturer to see if they can be moved up and what would happen with their pumping ability. 

Thanks Pete and Ken. I have checked with the manufacturer (Xylem) and according to them the pumps will prime up to a height of three feet, so mounting a foot or two above the floor/sole should be fine.

I should have been clearer on "pumping ability". Yes they will work at a height of 3 feet above the water but, the GPM will go down. The worst is it will take longer to fill the ballast tank(s). 


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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:


The worst is it will take longer to fill the ballast tank(s). 


Hmm. Maybe a watertight enclosure in their current location is a better solution. Could be tricky to get something watertight with hoses and wires going in and out. Will have to do some research on the feasibility of this. 
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     I agree with what Mr. Morfoot said above.  Several years ago, CC did put the bilge blower above the tank.  As long as the pump motors are of the "Totally Enclosed" type it means that any spark inside the motor housing cannot escape the closed area and cause a vapor explosion.  Just make sure  that all of your wiring is done properly with no chance of a short or sparking from a poor connection. 
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Just to wrap this thread up: I did move the pumps up and to the back of the boat, by the fuel tank. So far everything's working well.
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