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dsums ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: November-26-2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 69 |
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The carb on my 5.8 acts up occasionally. Runs like a dream and the next time you start it it is flooding out and won't idle below 2000 rpm. When I remove the spark arrestor to see what is going on the fuel is dumping out the jets and the fuel bowl vent like a waterfall.
The carb is brand new, not rebuilt or reconditioned. Motor pulls through the rpm band with lots of power and when you come to a stop it may be idling like a fine swiss watch. Anyone got any experience with this or ideas to try and cure. |
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Tim D ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-23-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2641 |
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Check the height of the float.
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SkiBum ![]() Gold Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November-17-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 587 |
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Sounds like a stuck/sticky float.
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Jim_In_Houston ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: September-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1120 |
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I think you have trash in the bowl. This happened to me. An in-line fuel filter cured it (following disa$$embly and cleaning the carb). The trash that was in my carb was a micro-fine powder which must have came from the fuel tank. The symptons were exactly the same as yours.
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boat dr ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4245 |
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dsums, jim hit the nail on the head,contamination is the root of all evil on a Holley,an in line filter is one way but a water seperator/fuel filter serves 2 jobs as the nane implies.Boat US or even Wally World has it and replacement filters.About 25.00 and a place to install it,your Holley will love you. boat dr
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Tim D ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-23-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2641 |
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Get one of these, you can take it apart and clean/change the little basket filter. About $8.
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dsums ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: November-26-2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 69 |
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Thanks for your help. I have an in-line filter and it looks clean. After going back on Holley's website it would appear they recommended the wrong carb to me in Aug. They told me to get the 600 cfm P/N 0-80457S. When I purchased this I thought it should have had the vents turned down into the bowl and it didn't. After going back online it shows P/N 0-80319-1, designed for small block Ford marine engines. I sent an e-mail to them but probably just have to buy the other one and take the hit. Should have paid more attention to my instincts but the water was calling and for the most part it ran great. Did use a lot of fuel though. Stay tuned.
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boat dr ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4245 |
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Tim, not to disagree with you but,8.00 could cost a lot more in the case of a fuel leak.We call those "rock catchers" as they will only filter large debris,and no water.They work fairly well on a fuel system, 2 stroke,that sucks thru the filter ,but pressure on one of these is real scarey. Just a thought........boat dr
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Tim D ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-23-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2641 |
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Boat dr, that filter has been on my boat for about 10 years, never leaked. Also, there is a water separator up stream from it, my real filter. I really only use it for visual check for fuel flow.
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Tim D
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boat dr ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4245 |
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Tim, did not mean that this filter wont work, what i am saying is that in my shop i cannot change "anything" on a clients fuel system,that rubber fuel line is a no no ,USCG says all pressureized fuel lines must be steel,the way yours came from the factory,and that filter could not be used either.This is the law,a shop cannot modify the fuel system period, but the owner can do anything they want.I do it for hire you do it for fun,you won't sue you ,but john public will......... boat dr
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87BFN owner ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-25-2006 Location: Saline, MI Status: Offline Points: 2194 |
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boat dr, you only need metal lines for fuel injection, carbs don't carry the pressure that EFI does. I have that same filter on my 79 F-250 with a built 460 and a high volume fuel pump.
You can also get this same filter with flared ends for steel line, I believe. |
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GottaSki ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: April-21-2005 Location: NE CT Status: Offline Points: 3365 |
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Presurized rubber lines on the engine will always remain poor form and against proper USCG marinization techniques. Its just not debatable.
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"There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing."
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boat dr ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4245 |
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87BFN, my question to you is it worth an engine fire,and the problems caused by a little fire in a boat? Second question,did your boat come with a steel line from fuel pump to the carb,i think the answer is yes.USCG and the BIA has certain guidelines that must be adhered to by all boat makers. these include fuel storage,fuel pumps and carburators. There is also rules that apply to all electrical devices,alternators,starters,swithes and wiring........this is mandated to the boat builder by USCG and BIA.........
But the owner can do anything he wants,87 that means if you can do it ,do it.....BOOM |
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Tim D ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-23-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2641 |
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When did they start this regulation? My '66 had the original fuel pump with a gla$$ sediment bowl on the bottom, not marine, neither was the carb.
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Tim D
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GottaSki ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: April-21-2005 Location: NE CT Status: Offline Points: 3365 |
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Early 70's I suspect.
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"There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing."
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dsums ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: November-26-2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 69 |
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Hey all. Thanks for the suggestions. I didn't mean to turn it into a free for all about rubber gas lines. I have an in-line Fram filter in the gas line along the stringer and a cartridge style filter in the fuel pump bowl. I can't get anyone at Holley to accept responsibility for the part # because I didn't keep the email trail, therefore obviously they didn't recommend the one I bought. I di remove the fuel tank and drain the fuel through a strainer funnel to see what got trapped. There was some crap in there so all filters replaced and re-installed tank. I will remove the carb and check needle, seat and float bowl. Side project now because I need to clear the garage to make room for the '01 196
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David F ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: June-11-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1770 |
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Tim:
I strongly recommend that you scrap the rubber line and filter between the pump and carb and go with steel. To me, a no brainer safety issue regardless of the pressure the mechanical pump puts out. I believe that the early style marine mechanical fuel pumps with the gla$$ bowl are not what they seem. The gla$$ bowl is not a sediment bowl, but more of a trap to catch any fuel that leaked out of the vent hole due to a ruptured diaphram. The bowl is gla$$ so you could see that you had a problem with the pump and need to make repairs. The modern pumps use a clear vinyl hose that is routed tothe spark arresor. Any leaking fuel is then burned by the engine and not dumped into the build. The hose is clear so you could see that you had a problem and need to make repairs.Could be wrong on gla$$ bowl thing, not 100% sure. |
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Tim D ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-23-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2641 |
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David, you don't know what you're talking about. The fuel pump blew out about 12 years ago, and gas shot out the top of the pump, not in the bowl. That rubber line from the fuel pump to the the carb has been there 18 years. I did replace it about 7 years ago. I still have the original carb off the boat, it wasn't marine either.
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Tim D
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