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cshire
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Posted: April-03-2007 at 3:50pm |
Hi,
I just picked up a set of clean original D0OE heads for the 351 in my '77 Martinique. Is there anything I should do or change on these automotive heads to make them better suited for marine use? Is there anything else I need to be aware of or is this a straight bolt on deal? Also, what head gaskets do you knowlegeable engine guys recommend for this application. Do I need a special marine (expensive) gasket from Ski DIM, or will any good automotive gasket work? Thanks for your help. |
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nuttyskier2002
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Change the expansion plugs out for the marine (brass) ones. Have your valve springs checked or have them replaced. A good cleanup and valve job to freshen them up and don't forget to use a good quality marine head gasket.
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reidp
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What Nutty said. Also, and not that it really matters, but have you already checked to see if that happens to be the same head casting you already have? Some time around '77 is where they made the change, so maybe you can substantiate that for us. As noted before, that excellent 1970 designated casting was used for quite some time. If you currently have a later, D5, D6, D7 casting with the small plugs, then you'll get a nice boost with these, similar to with the GT40 heads. Let us know what you find out.
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79nautique
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reid I believe they opened up the combustion chambers on the later castings, for the D0OE heads to work nice you have to replace the exhaust valves with larger ones and work on the runners too. Really he shouldn't see that much of a gain just a little due to the higher compression.
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cshire
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Reid, The block in my '77 is a D4AE. The heads were a later casting as well, I don't remember the casting number but I'll make a note this weekend when I swap heads. As a side note this is an Escort engine and not a PCM.
79, I was gong on the assumption that the D0OE heads would boost my compression a bit and flow better than later heads. Sort of the old school (and cheaper) version of a GT-40 or GT-40P head. I'll see if i cant measure the combustion chamber volume vs. my old heads to see what the differences there are. What size are the larger exhaust valves? This is something I may look into as well if changing them will offer a noticeable increase in performance. Thanks for the help guys. |
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79nautique
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you'll see about a 10 cc difference in the chambers and the largest ex valves you can use are 1.60 they are around 1.45 stock I believe. But most of the work needs done on the bowls and runner for the ex.
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nuttyskier2002
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I bought a used set of GT40P bare heads for just over $100.00 ea. on e-bay. Of course I spent over $400.00 (for the set) for machine work and parts to get them ready. The expense you are saving, using the older heads, seams marginal to me. It's the prep work and parts (valves, machine work, springs, ect,....) upgrade that gets expensive. I believe you'd be happier with the GT40Ps but that's my opinion.
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reidp
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Chris, I think you're right on in terms of the 10cc smaller chamber size, which should provide a full 1-2 point gain in compression. The original size valves in the D0OE heads are 1.84 and 1.54, as the later 351 heads shared the 302 sized valves. Also as you noted, historically the stock Ford heads, even the the GT40s have comparibly small exhaust ports and runners, so I concur they could use some help there also. But apples to apples, by virtue of the compression hike and at least a little increased flow I'd bet there's 20-30 HP there. See the two links below for good head to head comparisons on a multitude of small block Ford heads as well as a great document on GT40Ps. For comparison's sake, the later model 351 head is most closely in design to the 289 head shown. The GT40P info gives us the answer as to why jbear's boat is running like a rocket.
http://www.mustangii.net/head.asphttp://www.stangpro.com/html/articles/gt40p_files/gt40p1.htm |
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reidp
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Wow Nutty! Just read your post and what a very huge and important point you make that I completely skipped over by not asking what the condition was of cshire's D0OE heads. If a typical full-service head job is needed, then by ALL means look at a set of GT40Ps. I can put you onto our new source for a fresh set of these, like jbears, if you give me a call at 704-451-5080, as I'll be away from computer access starting this evening thru Tuesday AM. If the D0OE's don't need any work, then stick with them.
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jbear
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Guys; I am sure you all know that I have no idea what all this tech talk means. What I do know and Backfoot can attest to is......the '80 just runs like a rocket now with the heads Reid is talking about and the manifold I got from nutty. All you need is great friends like I am lucky enough to have that'll put this stuff on correctly for you.
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cshire
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The D0OE's are off a 22,000 mile engine, are complete, clean, oiled and ready to go on the engine now. They were $100 for the set and picked up locally.
The best prices I've seen on GT-40 or P heads that are low mileage stock take offs and ready or close to ready to install are in the $350 range plus whatever ie would cost to get them shipped. I agree that GT-40's would probably be a step up. Someday I amay do a complete rebuild and upgrade the cam. At that point I may look at a set of GT-40's or aftermarket heads. |
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