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stang72
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Posted: August-30-2004 at 11:32am |
My sons have purchased a 62 classic and are going to rebuild the intercecptor 312 or buy a rebuilt 302 ford...we could use some help in making a decission.Is a rebuild on the original engine practical in terms of cost and finding parts or should we part it out and look for a drop in used 302. There is one on ebay now for 899.00 complete ready to drop in.Will the tranny work with a 302 ? all input and sugestions are welcomed.If we part it out...is there anyone interested in parts or the whole engine ( tranny too)? Our main interest is to have a good running boat for the boys...keeping it original is not impotant!
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reidp
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Stang,
So you guys are the ones that won that auction. Congrats! I thought about entering the auction as well but couldn't justify it at the time, so Im really glad a member got it who will put it to good use. As big as I am on originality, I think I'd possibly lean towards a replacement on this one as well. Parts for that reverse rotation engine ARE getting scarce, if indeed it needs a complete rebuild as suggested. The side draft carbs can be a thorn as well if you're looking for a carefree boat for the kids. However, that engine on ebay doesn't exactly excite me. It looks to be a salt water engine based off the location, plus it was an outdrive engine and doesn't have the bellhousing and transmission you'll need. The heavy cast iron exhausts may not last long either. If the 312 utilized a Borg Warner trans, then you may want to hold on to it, unless you have another, but can't use that bellhousing. I've seen and purchased a number of fresh water engines from ebay and boattraderonline, so please keep looking. A nice complete 318 Chrysler with trans just ended on ebay this past week. Good luck and keep us posted. Boys are gonna have a ball with that column shifter and gas pedal. |
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67nautique312
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Stang 72,
What pc # (hull #) Is your boat? I have a 63(i think) that has pc-146 (pc stands for plastic craft) I just finished the restore on mine with the original 312 with the side draft 2 barrel carbs. I can hook you up with all the connections for parts if you decide to keep the 312! I love the power of the 312 and the response of the side draft carbs. If you decide to put a different motor in I may be interested in your 312? I think it would be a shame to de-originalize your classic! You can get parts for this motor at most parts store or e-bay ect. ect. trust me I did. The pictures of mine should be up on diaries real soon! I would also suggest upgrading to aftermarket motor mounts whichever motor you decide to go with. I used pcm and these things are heavy duty! let me know if i can help? |
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1963 Classic (handed down to my daughter)
67 Riviera 68 barracuda 1971 Ski Nautique Promo 86 Silver Nautique 1995 Ski Nautique |
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stang72
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Well... we got the boat today and she is in pretty nice shape ( other than engine ) . The only thing she needs is new carpet and the rebuild ? The boat is solid...hull is in great shape too!!! Thanks guys for the input...I am first going to look into a rebuild.There is a local guy here that knows this engine ! I want to see want he thinks first.If we proceed to rebuild it... I will certainly appreciate info on finding parts!67nautique312...I will check the hull # number tomorrow and let you know what it reads...look forward to seeing yours!
Reidp...it does have the BW velvet drive...owner said it was working fine ! Thats good news....The boys are all smiles...me too! |
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David F
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Stang72:
FWIW, I have rebuilt many engines over the years. Nearly everyone cost me between $2000.00 and $2500.00 in parts and machine work. I performed all the wrenching. Keep in mind that I am talking about a FULL rebuild which includes: Overbored cylinders, deck surfacing, line boring, new pistons, new camshaft, new sprockets, new oil pump, new lifters, reground valve seats, new valve guides, new seals, new water pump, etc., etc. You may not need to go this far...it depends on what your goal is. Sometimes, especially with boat engines, a valve job and camshaft/lifters will fix all engine related problems (i.e burned exhaust valves). Only close inspection of the cylinder bores will tell you this information. If the cylinders are in good shape, you can simply hone the cylinder walls, and use the old pistons with new rings. Always replace sprockets and chains. Here is what I would do first. Check compression on all cylinders. If all are low, then you probably are looking at and overbore and new pistons. If one a more are low compared to the others, then you probably have a valve problem. If this is the case, pull the cylinder head and inspect. This will also give an opportunity to visually inspect the cylinders as well as checking the bore diameter (below wear ridge). Hope this helps. |
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stang72
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David F,
Thanks for the info...I am still not sure if we want to get that involved.I know that I don't know! Lack of real experience may lead us in the direction of something ready to go and reliable...easier for two young boys to keep running.On the other hand it would be a wonderful chance for us all to learn. We will need to investigate cost and see if we can find out what all is wrong. The owner never did much to see why the engine went down...so we don't know yet how much will be required to get it up and running. I know someone who should be able to look at things and we can get a better picture then. If it was my project , I would rebuild and keep it original...but because my two sons bought it...they can decide!!! That is the whole point for me... is to get them involved in something more than riding behind a boat !They do at least realize how cool the thing is!!! Thanks ! and we will keep things posted as we figure out what we will be doing! |
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reidp
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Stang,
Glad to see you leaning towards the rebuild. I went to ebay and searched "312 Ford" and found a nice handfull of engine parts you'll need for a rebuild. Also some extra rods, heads, cranks, etc., even a 2-4 BBL intake, and some beautiful chrome valve covers, just in case. Paul can hopefully hook you up with a camshaft source as my guy exhausted it, or maybe you can re-grind yours. When you start seaching for certain specific key parts like that, make sure you let them know it's a reverse rotation engine. I'm jealous. |
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stang72
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We are not sure yet what is wrong? The seller was on the lake and said the engine locked up...he never investigated why or had it looked at by anyone. what should I look for first? Is it possible that the repair could be minor? Our goal is to get it running and only fix what is needed...if a rebuild is needed we don't mind a new learning experience. the boat has sat for three years..I would assume there would be some things we should do ...my engine knowedge is novice(changing parts and tune up) but I'm not afraid to get into something!!!what is the first step in finding out why it locked up ? I am ready to turn a wrench ! I do have someone to take it to if needed.Any where I can purchase a repair maunal? One way or another we are going to have a blast!!!
Paul...the hull ID # is pc134 (according to the title)The seats have stamps on the underside that say pc136. One last thing...the prop is right handed...should this engine rotate that direction? Thanks!!!! |
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stang72
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Paul...just saw your pictures and now we are really inspired!!! Your classic turned out spendid!Hows she feel in the water ?
We have decided to keep the original engine and have it ready for spring. My nieghbor grew up with an interceptor 312 and said it had gone through 4 rebuilds! He strongly recomends keeping the boat original and can guide us along the way. He thinks we will like the power of that bad boy !!! We should have some idea of what is wrong soon...Monday (labor day ) will be labor day...workin on it then! I have a couple boxes of parts that were with the boat...pistens, rings carb rebuild kit and a ton of gaskets. Thanks for sharing pics of your boat! |
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Stang,
While doing a little ebay surfing I found this Interceptor 312 engine, which you can check out if you haven't seen it already. Didn't know if you or one of the other 312ers might be interested. http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2488938814&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT |
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67nautique312
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Stang72,
Im glad ive inspired you in the original direction,I think you will be glad you did especially when you finish your project and your on the lake and you wont be able to make it 200 ft. before someone is flagging you down to ask about your boat! all the work to keep it somewhat original will be worth it! I know I know mine is far from original but just wanted something different than anyone else As for how she feels in the water... 10 xxx better than before with new strut bushings and the major difference was the PCM motor mounts! WOW Rubber mount makes a hell of a difference! and adjustment is a breeze! As you probably know the 312 originally was used in the old thunderbirds and my dad informed me that they are very tough motors. Mine only has 945 hours on it and runs like new after the rebuild!!Stang 72 mine is pc146 and is also stamped on the stringers and motor badge! as for rotation of your 312 if you look on the front of the motor where the timing cover is it should be stamped RH if it is right hand rotation! Right hand rotation means facing rear of motor it turns clockwise, facing front counterclockwise. This is opposite of regular car motors so when rebuilding this thing besure to make sure that you get reverse rotation parts! Someone who knows alot about these old marine 312 motors is a guy by the name of john at DUBY MARINE (716)694-0922 He helped me with alot of carberator & starter parts and seemed to know his sh-t! Let me know if i can help and be sure to forward some before and after pics. GOOD LUCK stang72 |
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stang72
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Paul...thanks for the info...will get some pics soon.
We have the heads off and can deternmine that one pisten is not connected...broken rod perhaps.The heads and block will need to go to the machine shop for inspection and we will know more at that time! thanks again ! Gary |
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stang72
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ReidP,
We saw that engine too! Hope a member got it ...it went cheep.We did bid on it but the boys have a budget...It would have been great to have all those extra parts!!! Thanks for the alert! Gary |
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Good luck with the the classic , I watched that one on ebay too !! That was a good deal
(600.00) I hope the 312 will be able to be rebuilt to keep it original . Keep us updated with the progress and send photos !!! Congraats and good luck !! Mike Thrower |
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