Why are Inboards more Expensive
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Topic: Why are Inboards more Expensive
Posted By: britdog
Subject: Why are Inboards more Expensive
Date Posted: April-05-2008 at 9:11pm
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Coming from the I/O world and now seriously considering an Inboard ski boat and probably a CC, I now am left without a good answer my wife's question of "Why are they so much more expensive?"
I know CCs have a reputation of being very well-built boats, but beyond that, what makes Inboards in general, so much more expensive than a similarly-sized I/O? Can you help? Thank you!! |
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Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: April-05-2008 at 9:44pm
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Short answer because they are worth it.
I think you've answered your own question. You own an I/O, and you want to move from the I/O to the Inboard. Clearly there is some feature, capability, etc. that you cannot get in the I/O. If you want something you can't get in an I/O, you have to pay for it. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: April-05-2008 at 11:13pm
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This is a generalization, but it's my take on it: In an I/O, a manufacturer can take any hull, cut a huge hole in back, drop an I/O powerplant in and be good to go. The hull can be a deep V hull with lifting strakes a-plenty because who cares about the wake? The trim-able outdrive will compensate for how the hull rides and no real performance is expected wake-wise and driving wise. You drive around, pull some tubes, and have a "boat". The steering and propulsion systems are all-in one drop-in units so there's no R/D there on the manufacturer's part. Maintenance is tedious and expensive on the outdrive.
Now take a ski boat. For starters, the hull has to be engineered such that it trims and rides correctly with a fixed drive and rudder. Not only that, but generally the wake either needs to be non-existent for slalom or very existent in the case of wakeboarders, with a specific shape and everything. An inboard customer expects performance- just take a few high-speed turns in a ski boat and you'll understand. Everything has to be over-engineered to endure extremes. It's a specialty product that is engineered for a specific purpose for very demanding customers. So, in a nutshell you have either a generic hull with a pre-fab propulsion/steering unit (I/O) VS. a specialty product designed from top to bottom to please very demanding customers (Inboard). ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: ripsaw
Date Posted: April-05-2008 at 11:48pm
| Maybe some things have changed in the I/O world since I've had a Nautique, but back 10-15 years ago when we were skiing behind them, a 180 horse I/O was as good of a power plant that was out there. In my experience even with that kind of HP you needed an aluminum block to get any kind of speed out of it. When they hooked up a barefooter behind any inboard on the market, it was enough to drag 3 or 4 as fast as they were willing to go, and that to me is a pretty good definition of what a real ski boat is all about. I think if you could land a clean 99 go for it, I've yet to hear of anyone regretting owning a correct craft. We only wished we bought ours long before we did. |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: April-06-2008 at 11:02am
Tell your wife to do some research on resale value of an IO VS. a quality ski boat such as a Correct Craft or MC. Tim ------------- |
britdog wrote:Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: April-06-2008 at 11:24am
Resale value has nothing to do with the question. Brit, Quality is a key but your wife is going with the apples and oranges here. Go price a top of the line Cobalt with a same length CC with the same equipment (no tower or ballast system). I'll bet you find that the Cobalt is more expensive! It's quality is probably better too!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-06-2008 at 11:57am
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the best thing that ever happened to these big ski boat companies was the coming age of wakeboarding, if not for the popularity of it they would still be peddling mediocre (no towers, no ballast...you get the point) 100 boats a year. they are quality boats but... on a scale of 1 to 10 they are in the middle jmo.. there are things that could be improved on and things that are top quality. lets say even the shifters there are $100.00 shifters and there are $1000.00 shifters and ski boats are more towards the $100.00 shifters
they are pricey because every kid in town that wants one has a dad with a big bank role to back it, and it drives the price of them up. 15 years ago you could slap 20 grand down and get a nice damn ski boat, the equivalant today would be 45k, that surpassed inflation so i think it comes down to supply and demand. this is only an opinion ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: britdog
Date Posted: April-06-2008 at 12:05pm
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No doubt, the inboards seem to hold their value, but my question was "why"?
Overall build quality I would think is a main part of the answer, as bpbarinard responded. I do think that an I/O like Cobolt or a newer Cris Craft would be more similarly priced to my Chaparral, which although as good quality brand, is not up there with those other brands. M3Fan's response also helps from the perspective of the design engineering that goes into them. Thank for all your responses, so far, this is really helpful in getting me up-on-plane quickly on this subject  !\
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Posted By: britdog
Date Posted: April-06-2008 at 12:07pm
Neither have I 
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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-06-2008 at 12:11pm
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I was at my local Mastercraft dealer last year (spying) he sold 2 x-80s 89k apiece on the spot, an exec swiped a check for one of them and his cfo swiped a check for the other, no finacing, you guys see these 20 year olds crusing around in the 50-60k boats. the ski boat companies are capatalizing on this which they can and also drives the base line boat prices up. as Pete said look at a Cobalt, or a whaler these are top line boats and when you take a ride in one you'll see why.
Correct Crafts have always been the top line ski boat and when you think of skiing you think of Correct Craft, and you wouldnt ski behind any other boat...its persona too ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-06-2008 at 12:14pm
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just like kids in tennis shoes, they arnt going to wear 9.99 walmart shoes to school which are just as good...they want 150.00 nikes which you know that there is no way on earth a pair of shoes is worth 150 bucks...but you gotta have em ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: britdog
Date Posted: April-06-2008 at 12:41pm
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So, what you're saying is that there's also a good dose of brand cache involved, right?
That part of it means nothing to me. I'm looking for a boat that is going to perform well and last for a long time with regular maintenance that I'll mostly do myself. But in addition to the cache aspect, you're all saying that these boats are at least on-par, from a construction and design quality standpoint as other top line (I/O and outboard) brands, like Cobolt and Whaler. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-06-2008 at 1:05pm
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if you want to ski and have years of service with respect of servicing the boat you buy a CC, it is an all around good quality boat. the new boat prices have got way out of hand, lets face it these boats do one thing....pull a man on a ski, they did it well 40 years ago and still do it well today, they hold value because of the supply and demand and dont let a deal go sour over 500 bucks. its do or die time with boats right now alot of people are dumping them because of the current economy and gas prices, so if you lift some carpets and look in the dark corners you should be able to find a nice CC in the 10 to 20k range ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: ripsaw
Date Posted: April-06-2008 at 2:03pm
| Was in my local cc dealer this thursday, there was a brand new nautique that was pushing 60 grand. The tandem axle trailer looked like there was a grand just in the rims, why? I would have to agree with eric, the people purchasing these boats probaly aren't skiing behind them. Is wake boarding turning into a fashion show, I just can't beleive there is that big of a demand for $60 plus boats. Britdog if you can swing a 99 and by it at fair price you will have a lot more fun in the water, and boat you won't have to worry about on resale. |
Posted By: britdog
Date Posted: April-06-2008 at 2:10pm
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Good advice.
The one I'm looking at looks very clean...the only blemish I have seen is a couple of cracks in the rear seat trim. I've not yet taken it for a ride, but am going to before any commitment It's a 1999 Sport Nautique with 400 hours on it and the GT 40 engine. It's listed for $23,500 at a dealer who specializes in CCs. What would you consider a fair deal on this boat? |
Posted By: britdog
Date Posted: April-06-2008 at 2:12pm
We're skiers, BTW. No wakeboarders here...not that there's anything wrong with that 
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Posted By: ripsaw
Date Posted: April-06-2008 at 2:28pm
| correct crafts seem to bring whoever want's them the most. When I bought mine 10 years ago, I got in a bidding war in the drive way with another guy. I ended up paying $100 dollars more than he was asking. No regrets though still the best money Ive spent. Check the for sale boats on this site. Most of them seem pretty fairly priced, might give you a ball park of what the 99's are bringing. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-06-2008 at 2:48pm
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let someone else take the big hit and buy used, you pay 20k for it and in 5 years it will bring that same money, if you pay the top dollar they surely will depreciate immediately, unless you have a money press in the basement, they do re-sell well, just be smart up front when purchasing.
ripsaw, guy's have shanked a deal for less than 100 bucks, thats why i said earlier dont let a deal go sour over a few hundred bucks, if its a nice boat and you want it, buy it, that guy that was to cheap to go to 150.00 probably regrets it everyday ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: ripsaw
Date Posted: April-06-2008 at 2:50pm
| I at least hope he does. |
Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: April-06-2008 at 7:22pm
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britdog,
Go test drive that '99 Ski Nautique you're thinking to buy with your wife - ski behind it if you can. You and your wife will understand the difference between it and an I/O right away. Good luck! -Keith ------------- Former: /diaries/details.asp?ID=6170" rel="nofollow - 97 Sport Nautique 1994 Ski Nautique 86 Silver Nautique 79 Mustang |
Posted By: p/allen
Date Posted: April-06-2008 at 11:25pm
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Thats a fact Jack!!!! I mean Keith. ------------- Pat http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/72ccfan/100_5977-1.jpg - My 72 Skier Rock River Dixon,ILL. |
Posted By: britdog
Date Posted: April-07-2008 at 12:23pm
Yep - I'm looking forward to doing that, once the ice goes out of the lake enough. I've skied behind one before, so I know the difference. It'll be too cold, even with a wetsuit to get in the water for this run, though. |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: April-07-2008 at 12:40pm
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Inboard ski boats used to be the best buy out there because there was a lot of competition and a limited amount of buyers. You got a top quality boat for a very reasonable price. Then wakeboard specific boats were invented and created huge demand for the manufacturers. Now they've been able to crank the prices way up because the demand for wakeboat boats is so strong, and they're basically doing us traditional 3 event boat buyers a favor by still making them. ------------- |
Posted By: footinforever
Date Posted: April-07-2008 at 1:09pm
| Like keith Said, If you can't figure out why Inboards are light years ahead of i/o's, no bow rise for one, driving is believing. If you still can't justify a nautique after driving it, then an I/o is all you will ever need. |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: April-07-2008 at 1:16pm
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As far as why they are better, drive one and like the old saying, if you need to ask, you wouldn't understand. ------------- |
Posted By: ripsaw
Date Posted: April-07-2008 at 9:03pm
| what footinfever said about bow rise is one of our favorite things about an inboard. If you you are pulling young ones around at slow speeds you can still see where your going. Maybe the IOs have changed some with the jacks on the back, but they never seemed to plain out until 20 mph. Ive met them comming at me pulling kids and your not sure if they can see you or not. |
Posted By: britdog
Date Posted: April-07-2008 at 9:40pm
Nope, you haven't missed any great leaps forward in I/O technology that solves that issue :) That's definitely in the long plus column for the inboard. Aside from cost, really one of the few negatives in the inboard list is low speed maneuverability. We have to pull into a challenging slip in pretty shallow water and back out with a rocky shoreline just feet off starboard. It can be tricky in an I/O especially with some wind. Not sure how it'll be with an inboard. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: April-07-2008 at 10:38pm
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If it's shallow enough to whack your prop, just walk it out. ------------- |
Posted By: ripsaw
Date Posted: April-08-2008 at 1:03am
| Is wakeboarding turning in to a fashion show was meant to be a ?. If I need to elaborate I will. |
Posted By: footinforever
Date Posted: April-08-2008 at 3:04pm
| Low speed control is easy to master with practice. Practice "docking" in an open area next to a buoy or someplace where you can't hurt the boat. After a little while you will learn to dock an inboard with greater ease than an I/O. If you have rocks like hollywood said walk it out.. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: April-08-2008 at 3:15pm
I totally agree. If you can give me a better ling for my signature though, go ahead.
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Posted By: ripsaw
Date Posted: April-08-2008 at 9:05pm
| nope that one looks good to me. I didnt realize thats what it was, still learning the ins and outs of this forum thing. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-09-2008 at 9:45am
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anytime a man wears pink, its fashion ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: ripsaw
Date Posted: April-09-2008 at 8:00pm
| not in my world.lol |
Posted By: 79Tique
Date Posted: April-15-2008 at 8:05pm
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I think wake boarding is probably 65% fashion. I work in the snow skiing/snowboarding industry and with the trick snow skiers and snowboarders fashion is all it's about for a big segment of the "participants". Many of these people don't ride with any skill, but spend every day they can hanging around the parks with all the top snowboard fashions on. It's also evident in the magazines when more than half the equipment ads don't have pictures showing the sport. Many of the ads in the free skier magazine show the gear they are selling in the setting of corporate offices in the city not near the mountains. It's all about the money and power/ego.
I think that attitude has spread on to the water world. Some of the folks "in the sport" today wouldn't be at the dock if the boat did not cost $60K. For them it's all about the bling. I'm happy with my Teal and Pink 1994 Ski Nautique with 400 hrs because it skis great, is very dependable and if my kids scuff the seats or bump it on the dock I don't mind. If you can find a 99 you like and can easily afford, it will be more fun than a boat with bling and payments. if you don't have to work to make payments you can take time off to ski and boat. Just my take on it. ------------- Work to live, not live to work. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-15-2008 at 11:44pm
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79 the bad thing about it though is the guy on a tight budget cant afford a descent boat ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: ripsaw
Date Posted: April-16-2008 at 1:02am
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A $5000.00 correct craft inboard would be worth twice as much to me than spending $15-20 grand on an io. I guess it depends on what your going to do, but if it's skiing thats important just get a cc thats in your range and work your way to your dream boat. My wife would love to have a super sport until she sees the price tag. Io's work real well for hauling your cooler to the sand bar though. ------------- 86 2001 |
Posted By: 79Tique
Date Posted: April-16-2008 at 3:40pm
I agree. That ego driven money flinging balloons prices for every one and eventually causes problems. As the inflated prices are not based on a real overall market value. I think the trends in fashion/life-style image follow an over all mood though. A couple of years ago the new home industry in this resort based region of Oregon I live in was booming. There were young 20 something year old guys all over with $40K trucks pulling $60K boats. These same guys were all over the winter ski resorts with bling abound. Now that construction market has imploded and I see very few of these big bling trucks on the road. It's like some one shipped them all out of the state. At the same time it seems the fashions are more humble. Maybe a little economic slowdown does a little good from time to time. Per haps the price of new boats will level off for a while and allow our in comes to catch up? ------------- Work to live, not live to work. |
Posted By: Brktracer
Date Posted: April-17-2008 at 11:24am
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I'll take my '76 Nautique over any IO. If you like to ski or board there's nothing like a Nautique. How many 30+ year old IO boats do you see riding the lake? It's a testament to how good Nautiques were built. The newer ones are better!
I have a friend that has a Malibu wakeboard boat. I pulled his son (14 yrs old)kneeboarding with the '76. When he was done he said, "Your boat has a great wake!" He was used to riding behind the Malibu with tanks full of water and a Perfect Pass. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-19-2008 at 3:09pm
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From what I hear through the grapevine is there are doing some great things with the Perfect Pass, eventually they will incorporate the electronic shift transmissions into the system to allow you to control prop speed (trolling valve) which means you will be able to obtain 3 rpms on the prop if needed for docking purposes and picking up the skier, and slower cruising speeds in the no wake zones.
I really dont know much about the perfect pass system so correct me if im wrong. ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: ripsaw
Date Posted: April-19-2008 at 3:51pm
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79 I hear you on the $100 thousand dollar rigs. My personal favotite is the one sitting in front of $15000 dollar trailer home. I guess if I was 20 and single with that kind of money my priorities would be about the same. Ounce you take the girl boating she'll probably have her blinders on by the end of the day. She won't care where you sleep at night. Just as long as she looks good with her bikini in your hot boat. LOL!! ------------- 86 2001 |
Posted By: 79Tique
Date Posted: April-20-2008 at 12:05am
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I guess if she looks good enough in bikini it it might be worth it. ------------- Work to live, not live to work. |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: April-24-2008 at 11:41am
Eric- Whats a tight budget? I see lots of people that are broke but....they drive a new car, their cell phone bill is $100 a month, their cable TV is $100a month, they have a 60" LCD tv, and they go out to eat all of the time. Its all about choices. ------------- |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-26-2008 at 1:08am
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tight budget? someone not living at mommy's house, 3 kids,1 wife,(not working) 2 car payments, and the burning desire to go skiing on the weekends.....just abot half the population. there's no way i could plop down 60k on a boat
I divide life in 2 category's 1. necessity 2. pleasure. one is needed one is not ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: ripsaw
Date Posted: April-26-2008 at 2:00pm
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I hope the cc is in the necessity column. ------------- 86 2001 |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: April-26-2008 at 2:37pm
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1 wife,(not working)
Sounds like somebody missed this small detail in their pre-nuptuial agreement. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: April-26-2008 at 8:24pm
60K? On a boat...?? I consider 5-10K plenty for a decent ski boat. Tim ------------- |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-27-2008 at 10:50am
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snob, that was an example, but i did get baited and switched on the working thing ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-27-2008 at 11:39am
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luckily i live on a lake with many, many SN's, and have the pick of the litter anytime, the only problem with it though is the 9:00 pm visits and the half hour stories of how the boat broke lol ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: April-28-2008 at 5:35pm
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Momma always used to say........
" Marry for money, Love can grow!" needless to say ; I didn't listen to her. ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: May-04-2008 at 12:11pm
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hopefully the love grows and not the wife.... ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 64X55
Date Posted: May-09-2008 at 5:11pm
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I read this post through rather quickly, so I may have missed something, but there seems to be one thing not mentioned and that is the cost of an outdrive. By "an outdrive" I don't mean "an outdrive boat" vs "an inboard boat" I mean JUST the outdrive unit itself.
They are very expensive compared to an inboard's more simple transmission. That makes the original question here a legitimate one. There are certainly huge variations in quality, etc. to consider, but when you look at the price of an outdrive (sterndrive) unit they can range from $6,000 to $13,000 (for example for a new Volvo lower unit (just the drive -- with no engine). Check out Sterndrives.com. For a rebuilt upper and lower gear case for even an old Volvo 280, you could spend as much as $11,000.00! (Hard to believe, huh?) My point is if you compare the cost of a (for example) Borg Warner Velvet Drive (or something similar) as used in many inboards you're looking at maybe $1,400 to $2,400. So if the quality of the boats selected for comparison are similar, the boat with the Stern Drive should cost more! Don't get me wrong. I have an old boat with an inboard, an old boat with a stern drive, and an old boat with an outboard and I've generally always liked an inboard set up the best, but a stern drive is fairly complex and gives certain significant advantages (won't go into that). Because of the complexity and cost of that extra hunk of engineering hanging off the back of the boat, I would think they would cost more. BUT, there is desireability to consider. In- boards do a lot of things well and are easier (I'd say) to work on, cheaper to fix, etc. etc. And re-sale, which was mentioned, probably does come into play somewhat. I've got a 1999 Chevy Astro All Wheel Drive for sale (how did that get into the story?) AND... I've watched (on eBay) the 2WD ones (that cost less originally and have less capability) sell quicker and sometimes for more money than the AWD's "I THINK" just because the AWD's are harder on gas. Likewise, the inboards I think have some appeal to the buyer who will be doing some of his own work. Outdrives are "more scary" to work on. There's my 2 cents. For an idea of the cost of various marine propulsion systems, check out these sites: http://www.marinepartsexpress.com/mercruiser.htm (complete engine and stern drive packages) or http://bpi.ebasicpower.com/c/ALL3D/Velvet+Drive+%2810-17%29+Transmissions shows Borg Warner Velvet Drives @ $1,400 - $2,400 ------------- Inboards Rule! |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: May-09-2008 at 7:15pm
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give the drugs away free at the school yard and after that its name your price. its a matter of supply and demand, the average owner of these high dollar boats (inboards) is the 20 to 30 crowd and have no idea what the difference is between an inboard and an outboard, i talk to enough to them and they really dont even know what engine is in them, its called capitalizing and thats exactly what the boat companies are doing.
an inboard boat will usually out live an I/O because of the simplicity of them. guys are buying complete Merc Alpha outdrives for $1200.00 new...the price has really came down on them I was using the drug thing as an example and do not condone that in any way BTW ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 64X55
Date Posted: May-12-2008 at 5:46pm
Actually, I did sort of forget to mention that I picked up a used Volvo 280 outdrive that has worked fine for about 6 years now for $300 
I guess I was just making the point that there's a more complex piece of equipment involved with a stern drive so you'd think it would cost more, but that could, as you've pointed out, be a bad thing. Oh, and not to confuse things, but you can't compare a Merc Alpha drive to a Volvo either!  ------------- Inboards Rule! |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: May-12-2008 at 10:49pm
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yeah i know, i just rebuilt a volvo outdrive....very over engineered and very expensive to repair....just like thier cars
(not that its a bad thing) and yes you can compare them because they both do the same identical thing lol btw it was a 280 also that I rebuilt, it was a PITA!!!! ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 80 Ski-Tique
Date Posted: May-28-2008 at 1:46am
| Usually the simpler something is the less trouble they give and I believe this definatley holds true for inboard boats. We have had a ton of boats in the past, outboards, I/O, and inboards too of coarse, and I will say the inboards are not only easier to work on but you don't have to work on them near as often when they get older. I used to live in Fla. and until they finally put channel markers in the bay , running aground in the shallow bays- sometimes on oyster bars, meant death to the out-drives of the era. Meanwhile an inboard could survive this all to common occurance again and again. Outboards usually didn't last long either. I know this is hard to fathom this day in age with modern electronics and markers in every channel but it used to be common to see boats idling around the shallow bays turning up sand and silt when coming in on a low tide. This was not intentional and we went dead slow but it was unavoidable at the time. Point is inboard running gear can take a lot more abuse than the other alternatives. This is why all commercial boats have used inboard propulsion until the introduction of pods. |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: May-28-2008 at 11:31am
I'm curious as to what the significant advantages are of a stern drive. I can think of two advantages: the ability to trim the drive unit in order to get more hull out of the water at high speeds, and steering in reverse. Everything else I can think of is a complete disadvantage. To summarize: Advantages: Trim Reverse Steering Disadvantages: Complexity/many points of failure Expensive to maintain and repair Boats generally need to draft much more to get the whole nasty unit under water Zero to very little control when drive unit trimmed up in shallow water Terribly rearward weight bias Generally hideous looking (IMO) Lousy steering ability Slower to plane Parasitic drivetrain with multiple direction changing gears Terrible shifting from forward/reverse with dog-tooth engagement set-up in drive unit Comparably inefficient props with massive hubs I can't stand I/Os. Every time I see one I can't believe that the idea ever made it out of the board room- that was a sad day in the boating industry. Also, when comparing the cost of the two units, you have to factor in the cost of exhaust components, raw water cooling pump, and steering components, since the I/O unit does all of those tasks as well (in general). ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: mjohn1988
Date Posted: August-19-2008 at 10:18pm
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I would agree with everybody. Correct crafts are tanks. I baught an 83 that had been in an accident. I paid 2k for the boat and spent $100 in fiberglass stuff to fix it. One good test of a tuff boat is to head for some rollers on the lake in any boat and see how much the holl shakes. Then do the same in a correct craft and note how rigid the hull is. I could go on for hours about CC.
Project Man ------------- project man |
Posted By: horkn
Date Posted: September-05-2008 at 1:03am
Then you might want to look at a ski nautique and not a sport. Unless you want to find out how much fun boarding is. Owning a CC is an experience. They are built well, command a premium $$ when for sale, and they command attention when on the lake with their presence. I get more thumbs up on my lake than any other brand of boat, even with a 30 yr old boat. I don't get how the majority of bed headed 20 year olds can be out there on 60k + boats wakeboarding. Well, minus the ones that are PAID to do that. LOL Never mind me, I am an old boarder that started boarding when the first real wakeboards were made. Everyone break out the skurfer's. ------------- 78 martinique- refloored, reinforced, stringers re glassed, re engineered interior GT40P heads Edelbrock Performer intake acme 4 blade http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/horkn/fish/nautique.jpg |
Posted By: horkn
Date Posted: September-05-2008 at 1:07am
They can't. Not that my boat is not decent, I put sweat blood and tears into my 78 that I got for 4500 like 7 years ago. But you bet your A$$ I would trade it in for a new Air nautique if I could . I have a mortgage, and am underpaid. So until that second part changes, I will soldier on with my martinique. ------------- 78 martinique- refloored, reinforced, stringers re glassed, re engineered interior GT40P heads Edelbrock Performer intake acme 4 blade http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/horkn/fish/nautique.jpg |
Posted By: emccallum
Date Posted: September-09-2008 at 7:57pm
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Not sure if this adds anything to the thread...but, I purchased my 82SN 13 years ago for $6300. It was in very good mechanical condition, but a bit weathered from sitting in the sun most summers. I have gotten a lot of great enjoyment from the boat. My kids and wife have all learned to ski behind it. Sure, I have spent some money on the boat over this time, but nothing major. Most of the money has been in cosmetics. I see these old boats still bringing about the same money as they did 13 years ago. I cant think of very many boats that can claim that. How much would you pay for a twenty five year old Bayliner with an I/O?
A friend of mine had a very nice condition older I/O with a leaking transom gasket. He couldnt even find as mechanic to work on it. One told him to junk it! Motor and interior were in great condition. |
Posted By: The Dude
Date Posted: September-10-2008 at 12:25am
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Has anyone here gone from an inboard to an I/O? I can't imagine moving that direction. Impossible I say. ------------- Mullet Free since 93 http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=717&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1991&yrend=1995 - 95 Sport |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: September-10-2008 at 1:42am
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[QUOTE=The Dude] Has anyone here gone from an inboard to an I/O? QUOTE]
Inboard is now part of my DNA! ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: 69barri
Date Posted: September-15-2008 at 7:43am
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All i know is that I grew up skiing behind a 1966 Wildcat, and I now own a 1969 Barracuda. I have barefooted/skied/wakeboarded behind countless boats. From brand new IO's to older outboard boats, even a 2008 Super Air Nautique, but I always come running back to the oldies.
The one exception to the IO rule is in a center console off-shore fishing boat, where the characteristics of trim and lower draft make it a clear choice when coupled with an efficient diesel power plant. My 37 foot Spectre center console will get about 4 miles to the gallon at 40 knots, when every other outboard powered boat is lucky to get 1. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: September-15-2008 at 10:31am
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I dont know what brainiac ever came up with 2 stroke outboards, I run them in a tank and get an oil slick that is the worst thing you ever would want to see and where does it end up? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: September-15-2008 at 11:35am
Almost twice the power to weight ratio. (you know - a power stroke every rev.) Eric, keep in mind that the first auto engines were two stroke and the first marine (inboards) were two stroke as well!!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: October-24-2008 at 10:33am
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yeah, yeah Pete. I was using the oil slick as the example and while we are draining our lake im watching the run off and thinking to myself, 40 years of 2 stroke oil is washing down river, the edge and surroundings of the lake looks like Valdez. the oil from the first outboard run in the lake is still there probably......Im on a green world kick lately ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: October-24-2008 at 9:24pm
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QUOTE=eric lavine Im on a green world kick lately
What - - you trading the Suburban in for a Prius?? ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: October-26-2008 at 8:58pm
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I dont even fire the BBC suburban, i cant even give it away at 1800.00 and i put$1000.00 worth of rims and tires on it 6 months ago, ive been buzzing a little 1986 Porsche 944 back and forth. it gets close to 28 mpg.
NO PRIUS!!!!!! ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: newoldboat
Date Posted: June-13-2009 at 2:05am
| I am very late to this discussion but I have to agree that wakeboarding has become a fashion show. I am 24, work 60 hrs aweek as a diesel mechanic, pay for a house, pay for an 07 ram with a cummins, and sink the rest of my cash in a 19 year old ski nautique, hows that for a tight budget. I love to wake board and would love to make money doing nothing but working out and wakeboarding but that lifestyle is nearly unattainable. Pro wakeboarders are very lucky people but it is the untalented rich kids that help drive up the prices so that the rest of us with a true love for the sport can barely afford it. I live in Fort Myers Fl where the Gator brand boards are made and would love to ride a local brand but I can't pay $800 for a board/binding combo. I guess the rest of us will have to build 19 year old ski boats to ride behind and buy last years boards from the discount websites because our daddys won't buy the new stuff for us. Don't hate on the wakeboarders, we're not all the same. |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: June-13-2009 at 11:21am
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NOB - Some of us prefer the old boats because of the lack of bling!
Glad you have the right work ethic, it will pay off in the long run. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: June-13-2009 at 11:59am
We saw one high dollar boat with a boarder in tow yesterday. The guy riding stayed right behind the boat with the wrong posture. The rest were pulling tubes. And OH to have a pic of the 'drop jaw' as they heard the pumpkin go by and Trey nailing trick after trick!!! And if HW had been here... ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: June-13-2009 at 1:00pm
Greg, same thing happens when my little $6500, 24 year old puddle jumper goes ripping by with one of my boys footin through waves that most boarders shy away from. My brother has an '07 X-1, and his buddy has a tricked out Malibu. Don't get me wrong, those are nice boats and I like riding in them. But the feeling that I get when I'm in or behind my boat is something special. And my wife agrees. ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: June-13-2009 at 1:23pm
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Tull, I feel exactly the same way.
I like riding the brand new Malibu response my buddy has, but nothing compares to the feeling I get when I fire up my 20 year old engine!! ------------- - Gun control means: using BOTH hands! - Money doesn't make one happy, but when it rains cats and dogs, it's still better to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle... |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: June-13-2009 at 1:23pm
Ha, this is all that really matters!
Tull, I had 6 'kids' on the boat with us yesterday...all under 30 and 4 of 6 were women. They migrated from the '79 to my ride and Trey was bustin' it! Sorry we didn't have the camera, but the wake was almost back to saturated foam heights with all of those pretty girls in the boat. It was almost as good as your Hooters pic! 2 or 3 real kids(always all guys) in a high dollar boat pulling kids on a tube....they stopped and watched! Old school isn't dead. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: skicat
Date Posted: June-15-2009 at 1:16am
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Good to see the pumpkin rocking on the dock again! Pretty rough out there today though. We were rolling in the Crownline instead of the BFN today. ------------- Greg http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2427&yrstart=1981&yrend=1985" rel="nofollow - 86 BFN |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: June-15-2009 at 9:51am
Sorry we missed you. I think we let the younger folk wear us out friday and saturday.  ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: tutor turtle
Date Posted: June-23-2009 at 12:22am
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In a perfect world,one boat design would satisfy all needs. In the real world, specialized products are purpose-built to cater to those specific needs. Low production, high performance products cost more because so few people buy them, manufacturers cannot take advantage of economies of scale.
The demands of a tournament ski-boat are so far removed from an I/O or outboard (monster starting torque, unflappable stability under rapidly changing, high lateral stresses) a total re-design is required. Like a Ford GT500, you want the neck snapping performance, prepare to open your wallet. Consider how well a 25-year-old CC hold it's value, two things must be true: exceptional build quality, high desirability. I love my 83 SN 2001, I bought it for $5.5K five years ago and invested another $4K, and no regrets. I get constant complements and offers to buy. There is no settling for less, once you've driven one. I summer on a 200 acre pond, we sport five, count em', five inboards! Oh what a sweet sound O' summer! Singing lake pipes, hoots and hollers of joy as skiers and wake-boarders master new skills. (tubing for the timid). In five years I've introduced dozens of newbies that have never skied or wake-boarded to a joy they never knew existed. Now they are addicted! All winter, I hear: "can't wait for summer at the lake and go riding" What price can you put on that love? Much of that joy is due to the superior performance of a purpose-built machine. Hope this helps, to give you a taste, of what all fuss is about. - Now go out and grab some fun! Cheers. ------------- Tutor turtle |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: June-23-2009 at 2:23am
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Well said Steve...I've owned 6 and have spent countless hours driving and sking 'em. Like you say the best part is sharing the sport.
Hope you are back on the water soon! john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |