Horrible Service
Printed From: CorrectCraftFan.com
Category: General Correct Craft Discussion
Forum Name: Off Topic
Forum Discription: Anything non-Correct Craft
URL: http://www.CorrectCraftFan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10918
Printed Date: December-27-2024 at 3:55pm
Topic: Horrible Service
Posted By: azeus17
Subject: Horrible Service
Date Posted: June-19-2008 at 12:27pm
|
Man, if there is one thing that really gets under my skin, it is horrible service. I walk into a large Dodge dealership last night to look for a new tow rig. Now, Dodge anything would not be my first choice for a vehicle, but they have the 2.99 gas garantee for three years and this dealer was picking up another 2.00 so it is really .99/gallon gas garantee for three years, up to 12,000 miles/yr.
So I call to ask about the program and they schedule an appointment for me to come out and talk to them. I show up at the agreed time and the freckin guy is not even working. That right there pissed me off, but I met with another guy anyway. We go out in the rain and look at a few trucks and I find what I want. He takes down the stock number and we head in to work out some deals. He takes all the info for my trade and just before he goes to the sales office to get the "best price" he asks me if we can make a great deal, will I buy the truck today. I told him flat out, no. I was not looking to do business today, I just want to get an idea of what I am looking at. The sales manager then came over to try to talk me into buying that day. I repeated the same response, NO! He then walked away again to the sales office and then returned a few minutes later. I asked if they had some numbers, he said no. I was confused. He then told me that if I was not going to buy a truck tonight, he had no intrest in showing me any numbers or continuing the process. I told him that was the best way to ensure that I would not be buying a truck from them and I walked out the door. As I was driving home, I just kept thinking that could not be the best way to do business. So, when I got home, I wrote an email to the dealership explaining my concern about not getting a price and thier policies. The "customer relations" director emailed me back stating that they did give me a price, that all thier vehicles have the MSRP printed on the window sticker. I wrote back that in that case, I can find a better price elsewhere. I mean damn, it seems like they would pretty much be kissing anyones butt that wants to buy a truck these days. Sorry for the rant. Adam ------------- Boats: Current: 02 SANTE Sold: 89 Sport Nautique |
Replies:
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: June-19-2008 at 12:43pm
|
I think most former "Salesmen" in the auto industry will tell you that everytime they walk back to talk to the sales manager is a bunch of BS! They go back and talk to anyone and make sure that their Tee time is still set for Thursday morning @ 9:00. Then they come out and say here is what my mgr told me about yada yada. It's just a poly to make you think they are trying to cut a deal with you. Anythime I've ever walked into a dealership they always go back to talk to the sales mgr.
Heck, if this is always the case then why do they have salesmen on the floor? Why don't you just deal with the "Sales Mgr" in the first place? You could have played their game and said " Yeah, I'll buy the truck today how much are you going to come off RIGHT NOW!" Then tell em " NO! Your the salesman I'm dealing with and you don't need to go talk with your mgr. If you want to sell me the truck WE will make the deal. If you have to go run to the sales mgr then bring him out here to talk to me and HE can sell me the truck." If not THEN turn around and walk out see if they don't grab a guy who wants to buy a truck today! Hey, you can always "change" your mind after you got the #'s. It's nothing but a game of " Whocan out fox the fox ?" Then see how anxious they are to sell you the truck. I feel your pain Bro! ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: Mark Mel
Date Posted: June-19-2008 at 1:02pm
|
My wife and I were shopping for her car, she wanted an A4. We went to one dealer and got a price for what she wanted and thought it would be a good idea to shop around. We went to another dealer and the guy says how much do you want to pay a month? We said we don't buy that way, we want to know the bottom line price of the car.
The guy starts getting pissy and pulls out the book. They he starts asking us what we want in the car and he starts going down the list prices and totaling up all the items. He then comes up with a ridiculous price that was $10k over the other dealer. When we told him that we could get a much better price he jumped out of his chair and started yelling at us. "Go right now to the other dealership before they change their minds!" He then escorted us out of the dealership. Although we were pissed at first we then started laughing that we were able to work up the salesman so much that he booted us from the dealer. You should've seen the faces of the other people in the dealership as we were getting booted. lol After two Audis she is now in a Subaru wrx. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=972&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980" rel="nofollow - 1978 Nautique FBook - www.facebook.com/charliedontsurfct |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: June-19-2008 at 1:05pm
|
I'll go ahead and take this a little OT- These days you'd think they'd be paying YOU to take Mopar products off the lot. Nobody is buying their cars and trucks- America is sick of crappy cars and our buying trends over the past few years have reflected that. They've had to introduce a LIFETIME warranty AND 2.99 gas to get people to buy their cars- that's pretty rough. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: June-19-2008 at 1:14pm
|
Also, I'll add that purchasing a car can be hit-or-miss as far as miserable vs. enjoyable. I've purchased 5 cars so far. 2 good experiences, 1 awful experience, and 2 so-so experiences. The best new car buying experience I've ever had was CarMax. No haggle pricing on new cars that was very competitive. That's the only time I've left a dealership without feeling screwed or remorseful to some degree. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: June-19-2008 at 1:29pm
|
Did you trade in anything with them? That's where they screw you. You pretty much get a salvage price, but if it's not a POS you'll see it for sale with a 50-100% higher tag than they gave you. ------------- |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: June-19-2008 at 1:52pm
Good point. I've been HOSED twice on trade-ins. Never again. Both were hasty, last minute moves that cost me dearly in the end. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Hollywood wrote:Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-19-2008 at 2:56pm
|
There sure are idiot car salesmen out there. Seem like they are a separate class of people.
Back before I got married, had kids and consequently had money to spare I went shopping for a Cadillac. Stopped after work one day in my work clothes at my local dealer. I was the only customer in the showroom and 2 salesmen were over sitting at a desk (one of them even had his feet up on the desk) 10 minutes of my looking at one of the cars go by and one of the salesmen yells over to me "do you think you can afford it?" Ha ha! big joke between them but the joke was on them. I walked out of the dealership and the next day went to another dealer close to work. Bought a Fleetwood Brougham coupe with the leather de'eligance package, diesel, wire wheels, Vogue tires and sunroof. I wrote out a personal check for the full amount and drove off with a new car!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: June-19-2008 at 3:13pm
|
Pete
I hope you stopped by the other dealer and showed them your new car, would serve them right. I was told a couple times I couldn't afford a truck, they were wrong every time. ------------- |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: June-19-2008 at 3:22pm
Don't you remember, they made a movie out of Pete's story.
Pete's character is the one on the right. ------------- |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-19-2008 at 4:01pm
|
the best one at the dealership is "how much do you want your payments to be, and that right there tells me they are custom tailoring thier financing around how much you can afford a month. My reply is always i want no more than 150.00 a month payment. they smile and know your onto thier game
Dude, trucks are a dime a dozen right now, buy one from the end of someones drive....thier giving them away....let someone else take the hit |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: June-19-2008 at 7:15pm
|
Look at the fine print of the "$2.99/gal" deal. If you go with that deal, you don't get the rebate, which on Dodge trucks was about 5K last month. It's also only good for 12k miles per year, so on the smaller cars with good fuel economy, it's less of an incentive which is why the rebates are lower. When you do the math, it's not as good as it sounds. I got my info from a Dodge salesman that I know.
Steve ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: June-19-2008 at 7:21pm
|
IIRC, Chrysler has tried this "offer" in the past and it failed then too. ------------- |
Posted By: azeus17
Date Posted: June-19-2008 at 7:43pm
|
Steve-
Just another reason that I no longer trust that dealer. I asked that very question before I even looked around and his reply was, "Yeah, on the Rams, Durangos, and Commanders you still get the rebates and gas deal." That was the one and only reason I was looking. If gas keeps going up to $5 or $6 bucks in the next few years, its not a bad deal. Eric- Usually I would totally agree with buying used, but this .99/gallon deal was worth checking out. At $5/gallon it would save about $2,400 per year on 12,000 miles even at 20 MPG. Not to bad. Why does buying a car have to be such a game. Joel- I am with you, man. Just post your best price right on the window with all incentives and rebates included, and then you won't even need the "sales office." The best part of my trip was when they asked me how I liked the Rams. I replied, "I don't really. My first choice would be a GMC or Chevy, then a Ford, then Dodge. I am only here to see how bad you want to get rid of these things." You should have seen thier faces!  ------------- Boats: Current: 02 SANTE Sold: 89 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: June-19-2008 at 8:38pm
That's exactly what most dealers don't want. They make good money selling the finance package to a third party and don't have the hassle of maintaining it. They want to keep making money on our money over time...not unlike a bank. Those who save and pay cash can all but set their price! ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-19-2008 at 8:53pm
| and then there is the used car salesman.... |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: June-19-2008 at 9:36pm
|
Pete, I have done the same thing. Gone looking for expensive cars. Show up in my beat up 68 Ford pickup and my working around the garage clothes. They kept trying to steer me to cheaper cars.
I've also stood at the car and demanded a price. After the first trip to the sales manager with no price, I stated very clearly "Last chance - you ask me one more time to go to the sales office, or if you come back here one more time without an *************** price,I buy somewhere else." End of story. Finally, I have negotiated a price letting the dealer believe I will finance through them. As suggested you will often get a better price because they expect to make money on the financing. Once they've finally given me a price, I pull out a checkbook and pay cash. I never sign anything except the final contract. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 12:15am
|
[QUOTE=8122pbrainard]
Bought a Fleetwood Brougham coupe with the leather de'eligance package, diesel, wire wheels, Vogue tires and sunroof. /QUOTE] Sorry to say Pete,I think they got the last laugh  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 05 210
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 12:32am
|
Always negotiate like your going to finance.Most banks will allow the dealer to add 3% to the interest rate,thus letting them "give" the car away and make money on financing and kickbacks.I know alot of salemen and most of them already know the bottom line on the car before they even make the "trip" to see the boss,so the only thing their really discussing is how they can skew the numbers to make you think you're getting the deal you want.
What most people don't know,is that the loan has to be carried for a certain term or the bank takes the interest money back from the dealer. If you negotiate a deal on an agreement to finance,you get a better deal,and if you take your personal check and pay the loan off a week later,the dealership does not get the money anyway.Most banks the term is 90 days.That is what is happening when you buy a car for "no money down,no interest and no payments for 90 days".The dealer is actually making the first three payments for you to guarantee they don't get charged back the interest on the loan and then they tack those 3 payments on to the end of your finance term.........nothing is free. Not all car salesman are shady,but I have a friend who runs a dealership and he claims that 90% of the people who walk through the door will feel like they got screwed even if they didn't.That ends up making the whole process uneasy from the get-go. He also said that if you go back to the same place to negotiate a deal more than twice and the price has not changed,that is more than likely the cheapest you can get it at that dealership. Guess I'm a little off topic. Anyhow, I hate crappy service,too.Dell has been jerking me around on a computer for 4 weeks and I can't even get someone on the phone who speaks English.I believe that all you have is your name,and once that is tarnished you will never fully recover.What seperates good service from bad is when someone providing a service realizes that they can not survive the rest of their lives on one transaction.Repeat business is where it's at. B.T.W...I have a DODGE and it isn't that bad ! Mike ------------- http:/diaries/details.asp?ID=2219" rel="nofollow - Air Nautique 210 Team 640 hours, not 1 regret |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 1:15am
|
[QUOTE=8122pbrainard]
Bought a Fleetwood Brougham coupe with the leather de'eligance package, diesel, wire wheels, Vogue tires and sunroof. /QUOTE] You musta looked pretty cool in that 50's Caddy Pete! My last F-150 purchase was from Car-Max. Real easy deal and I got a good price on a bad trade-in. Always dealt at home in Ohio with a small local Family-owned Ford dealership, Lloyd-Manwell of Avon Lake. Always a pleasure. Treated you like family. Of course it probably helped that my brother was a Ford Supervisor and his bro-in-law a Ford foreman. We all leased our cars so we took them a bit of business a year...but they weren't really making much if any money off us. But it was cool...we could borrow cars, try anything new and the guy would open up the service dept any time we needed something extra. Great people to deal with. john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 7:41am
Gary, Why do you say that? Besides looking like a pimpmobile, I loved the car. I ordered the car loaded and had it within a week. They didn't have it sitting at the dealership! If you referring to the diesel, I actually had 2 of the GM 350 diesels. Loved them. Never had a single problem with ether of them and put on about 120K on each. The people who did have the diesel problems I feel were the ones who never change their oil. You can't do that with a diesel. As far as price, the salesman was a friend that my father had sponsored to get him into a Chicago suburban country club so I did trust him for a good price. I couldn't beat the service ether. The saleman would pick up my car at work, leave me his and drive mine in to the dealership for the day. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 9:16am
Pete, have you seen Hollywood's daily driver?  You two are out of the same mold.------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 9:36am
|
now guy's, you make a living, what if your boss said to you today were going to pay you 25.00 per hour today instead of 30.00...
I dont like car salesman anymore than you do and they too are entilted to make a living, its a matter of being smarter than them and being a better con artist. i had a guy yesterday trying to sell me his boat and i know what he paid for it but he did not know that i knew, he wanted twice what he paid for it and was badgering me. I stood there and looked at him and said you like getting good deals dont you? he said yes, i said if you wanted to buy this boat what would you want to pay for it? about half of what you are asking? end of conversation another good way to negotiate is if im asking $1000.00 for something, of course your going to get the guy who wants it for $500.00 and he will offer that. thats where i tell him no I'll take $1500.00 for it, it always, always works, I'll squeeze the $1000.00 from him |
Posted By: azeus17
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 10:52am
|
I have no problem with Dodge either, just my personal third choice. On this deal, it is hard to feel screwed. I had done my research and found out what i could get the truck for at another dealership. Throw the gas on top of that and there is no way you could feel screwed about that. The sticker price for the truck $34,000. After rebates (which they claimed I could still get with gas deal) $25,000. And, I think I could still get the employee discount on top of that!
This is classic as well. I am at work yesterday and the dealership calls me to see how my experiance was. I spent about 10 minutes on the phone with the guy explaining the whole story. He assures me that, that is not the way they usually do business. I assured him I would not be boing business with them. ------------- Boats: Current: 02 SANTE Sold: 89 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 10:59am
Alan, Come on?? How can you even say something like that putting me in the same class as HW!! I did see the picture of his car. I didn't say anything at that time fearing that some one would come out with a comment like yours! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 12:02pm
| i noticed last week that.....I have about 40 Haynes and Clymers manuals, 1/2 is for fords and the other 1/2 is for Chevy's. 2 of them are Chrysler, to me, that means Chrysler is a pretty damn good product, I buy them as i need them |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 1:09pm
Sorry Pete, but I laughed really hard at this comment because I thought the same thing! That must have been back in the day when Cadillacs were actually desirable cars- Pre-Lexus, Infiniti, and widespread availability of European luxury cars. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 1:48pm
Who wants some Jap Car Kool-Ade? Pretty harsh comments, have owned several Chryslers, a Caddy and a 5 series, guess which one was the biggest maintenance pig? Sorry Joel, I just don't buy into the American Cars are junk BS. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 2:13pm
|
I used to laugh at what Monique would pay the Acura dealer to change her oil, nothing like a nice C-note for twenty bucks worth of oil and paper what a rip off. Foreign cars might be trimed out a little different but the quality is not any better and actually can cost quit a bit more for the same class america car over the long haul. Saw a yahoo news artical that a camery or civic cost over 4K more to operate compared to a cobolt or G5. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 2:14pm
| it should be a reqirement to fly the red dot outside on your front lawn when you purchase a new Lexus after all your buying into thier economy so you might as well fly the flag |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 2:28pm
|
I'm not saying they are all junk. I'm just saying back in the day, when you had a Caddy, you had "arrived". A Cadillac used to really be something special, a name synonymous with "top of the line, the pinnacle of luxury". 80's flops such as the Cimmaron and the bustleback trunk design, as well as all of the other general issues with 80's American cars really watered down the brand. Culturally a Cadillac just doesn't hold the same esteem in the public eye these days.
------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: 87BFN owner
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 2:54pm
|
Joel
You do not visit Detroit much do you? I can put a 80's caddy with a $50 paint job on it up for sale for $5k and will be gone by the end of the day. People still love those cars. Some people just like the old boats. My mom put 268,000 miles on her 95 towncar before my dad sold it. Now I went to NC and got her a rust free 96 towncar it has 110,000 on the clock. She wont give up her boat of a car. I think we can all agree cars from the 80's had there problems. ------------- |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 3:05pm
|
...as do 90s, 00s, American or "Foreign". They're all hunks of metal. ------------- |
Posted By: nates78ski
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 3:11pm
|
Eric, please don't get into your preaching about buying import cars, we've heard it before & it's not what this thread's about...
Nate ------------- Nathan http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1463&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - My '78 Ski Nautique <a href="http://photobucket.com/Nates78ski" rel="nofoll |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 3:12pm
|
87BFN, IMO that era of Towncar was an awesome car in general. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 3:50pm
With one exception - The Escalade which seems to still be all the rage. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 3:54pm
I don't know any songs that mention Lexus or Infiniti. ------------- |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 3:54pm
| Nate, you would fly a Correct Craft flag wouldnt you? my statement was meant as product loyalty and i have a feeling your driving a nipson and deep down you feel guilty. so whats the difference between flying a Correct Craft flag or a red dot flag in your front yard? |
Posted By: Nautique2001
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 4:04pm
|
To date, the most comfortable car I been a passenger in was a 1984 Oldsmobile Delta 88. There's something to be said about the older American cars and their comfort. The seats were like couches. The other thing I recall was hitting bumpy roads and the bounce the suspension had. Those days are gone forever.
Ken ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1052&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: nates78ski
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 4:06pm
the difference is a red dot flag is the flag of a country...
and the correct craft flag is that of a company. & yes, you're correct I drive a Nissan, but i'd have to say you're quite INcorrect in stating that i feel guilty for it...guilty about what? the fact that my car's 15 years old w/ 216,000 miles on it & still runs like a champ w/ essentially no rust on it & doesn't look as dated as say a grand prix from 1993. yeah...i feel terrible  & also the fact that my import car probably has more american made parts on it than most 'domestic' brand cars
Nate ------------- Nathan http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1463&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - My '78 Ski Nautique <a href="http://photobucket.com/Nates78ski" rel="nofoll |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 4:14pm
|
my LHS has 199005 miles on it with no major repairs, so pleeeeaaase tell me why you think Jap *************** is better than american ***************, if we were having this conversation in 1985 i just maaaaybbbeeee would listen to you
keep telling your self that as gas hits 4.00 a gallon or do you have the rice conversion on that Nipson |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 4:21pm
Go buy a 1984 Oldsmobile Delta 88. ------------- |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 4:23pm
So why don't you just call it a domestic car who's profits go overseas??? ------------- |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 4:40pm
Thank goodness. 80's American cars had hilarious interiors aesthetically and ergonomically- it was as if the designers were restricted to only using a ruler for the interior design. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: nates78ski
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 5:24pm
|
Look back through my previous post & tell me where I stated that my import was BETTER THAN american. I was stating facts about how it runs & at most i compared it asthetically to an american car of the time.
Yeah & that 25-33 mpg that my Nissan gets is really killing me right now...so much so that i can't afford to take my boat...uhh...oh wait I haven't missed a weekend yet & p.s. if we were having this conversation in 1985, you'd be talking to yourself... 
Nate ------------- Nathan http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1463&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - My '78 Ski Nautique <a href="http://photobucket.com/Nates78ski" rel="nofoll |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 6:31pm
| I picked out that you were driving a nipper mobile and i just was waiting for the better value thing and better quality, thats all |
Posted By: 66Skylark
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 7:09pm
|
Does anyone remember the episode of Married with Children when Al goes to buy a new car?
Al saved money in a shoebox that he hid from Peg by burying it in the backyard. He finally had enough for a new car so he’s standing in the showroom of a dealership and he tells Bud to watch and learn as he negotiates… The salesman comes over and Al says… Al: “The sticker says $15,000, but how much is it REALLY? Salesman: “$15,000” Al: “Ok… But I want special wheels” Salesman: “Nope” Al: “Ok… Then I want you to throw in the undercoating.” Salesman: “Nope” Al: “Ok… But I’m not leaving here without one of those cool wooden gear shift knobs!” Salesman (Leaning over to his co-worker): “Hey, Vince… How much for one of those plastic wooden gear shift knobs?” Vince: “25 cents” Salesman (To Al): I’ll give it to you for 50 bucks.” Al: “Deal Sucker!” It is then that Bud opens the shoebox to find $200… and a red hair! 
Last time we were car shopping my wife and I joked about using the line, “The sticker says $15,000, but how much is it REALLY?” Buying a car is such a pain in the butt. I found this website to be pretty helpful… http://www.carbuyingtips.com/carintro.html - Car Buying Tips After my Aztek was totaled I was looking for tips on car buying and found that site. Scroll down and you’ll see there are several more chapters on the various aspects of car buying. Like me, some of it you might already know. However, there is also some helpful info there that I wouldn’t have known otherwise. Using the info from the site helped me to get over $5K off my Honda Pilot and I only paid a few hundred to have them add the towing package to it. (They originally wanted to charge me $1,300 for the towing package!) I know, I know… Towing with a Honda Pilot! Let’s not open that can of worms again!
Check out the website, I hope it helps everyone. Kyle ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1445" rel="nofollow - 1966 Skylark http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1976" rel="nofollow - 1998 176 MA/ |
Posted By: nates78ski
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 7:11pm
|
No i dont think at this point that there's any significant difference in value or quality, maybe in some of the interiors (the newer am. cars i've been in lately seem to be just a large block of plastic) but overall, i think the american companies have closed the gap. Their only problem right now is trying to get into peoples head to make them realize the quality's there now after years of hearing otherwise.
Nate ------------- Nathan http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1463&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - My '78 Ski Nautique <a href="http://photobucket.com/Nates78ski" rel="nofoll |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 8:10pm
|
AZ - the truck maket is almost DOA. Get on the Internet & send out some requests for quote. They should be Kissing YA to make a deal! ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 8:14pm
| Nate, thats all I was trying to convey, the quality is back and everyone is still fixated on the quality of foriegn cars and my choice is to buy American now because the quality is there, my family members own Hyundai's Honda's Kia's and I ask them why and the answer is they are better cars and at this point i ask them how do they know they are better cars and they cant answer me, But you know I can tell them the same I told you, my car has 199 on it and i wouldnt hesitate hopping in it and driving to Florida. and thats the message. it is a quality car and nobody could tell me any different. and what the hell apples for apples i want to put my neighbors and alike back to work |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 8:38pm
|
Great points Eric!! It makes me want to puke every time I hear the "Foreign is Better BS".
To each his own on what they choose, for me it will always be Buy American whenever I can, it gives me a feeling of patriotism and a sense of support thy neighbor. Nate, maybe your next boat can be an Epic, they must be better then the POS ones made here! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: nates78ski
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 10:01pm
hey Quinner, good point, because once again check my posts & see if i wrote anything about stuff made here being POS'...thanks for your oh. so. insightful comment.  re read posts before you write bull*************** like that...
Nate ------------- Nathan http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1463&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - My '78 Ski Nautique <a href="http://photobucket.com/Nates78ski" rel="nofoll |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 10:10pm
|
Man I love these threads. I am a Ford guy all the way. Three Broncos...all over 200k. Am right now driving my fourth F-150. Last one I just traded had over 180k. Had a few problems with it when I traded but it still looked good. Mrs jbear is driving a '93 Mustang convertable. Its her second GT 5.0...she likes to go fast. She has had a Taurus, EXP, and a Ranger pick-up. Every one of my 6 Nautiques have had a Ford motor. My7 brother worked at the Cleveland Casting Plant for 40 years...his brother-in-law is still there are quite a few friends. And that counts too.
Hey reic...if you ever wanna test your ride on a trip to Florida, I'll save ya the cost of a motel and show ya a good time too. john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 10:36pm
|
Well actually Nate I did re-read your posts a couple times prior to mine, particularly where your tone and comments were disrespectful towards Eric, so as you would imagine your latest comments came as no surprise. Nice Stuff.
Perhaps my next lesson could be on respecting elders, looking forward to it. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: nates78ski
Date Posted: June-20-2008 at 11:16pm
|
my comments weren't meant to be disrespectful, my comments were just getting the fact out there that these sort of things always seem to be brought up when that in fact is not what the thread was started as. Also, thanks for noticing the "tone" of my typed words, tell me again how you do that?
Nate ------------- Nathan http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1463&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - My '78 Ski Nautique <a href="http://photobucket.com/Nates78ski" rel="nofoll |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: June-21-2008 at 1:24am
|
Nate,you gotta get in the last word.
Too bad your not just lurking, check back when you have something positive to add or useful info to share......Boat dr ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: adamt
Date Posted: June-21-2008 at 3:56am
He's very in-tuned to his "feminine side", from what I hear!!!  ------------- -Adam 1973 Skier |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-21-2008 at 11:27am
|
Nate, you didnt dis respect me, Im use to battling with the under 25 crowd, we have 3 at work and i suppose i was as strong headed as you are when i was that age.
If i had a crystal ball back then i wouldve never gave into a new nip truck that i bought back then (once and once only)btw, it rotted to the ground. your conversation 20 years from now will be different because your opinion of things will change with time, its a different world nowadays and not so easy as it once was and when you have kids you'll wonder what it will be like as they age. the hype back then was Jap cars were better and to a point they were and everyone started to buy them, but again the world was a better place back then too, anyone of my age has seen the collapse of the auto industry and the steel industry and that really is what drove this country and if i could just get one person to change thier minds from buying a foriegn car and you could get one person not to buy one maybe the people instead of the government can change what is happening in this country. My mother drives a Hyundai, it really doesnt bother me and guy's on this site drive foriegn cars which i really could care less, its not about what you are driving because you are entilted to your freedom of choice, its about what my kids, your kids and everyone elses kids will have in thier future and i think if people realize that American cars are as good or better then they will buy them again and lets face it, money drives the economy |
Posted By: nates78ski
Date Posted: June-21-2008 at 2:49pm
|
Im glad you didn't think so Eric because it wasnt intended as that. I just saw your one post about the "red dot" & i didn't want this thread deteriorating into one of those import v. domestic battles ive seen on here numerous times.
My biggest problem is when people put words in my mouth, that's when I'll get fired up, & then when multiple people do the same thing, that's when i considered saying screw this site. Because everyone's entitled to their opinions, and just because I'm just 22 doesn't mean im not allowed to have an opinion on the world, whether wrong or right I'm entitled to my opinion. And if i didnt have an opinion and was apathetic to all of this, you guys would be saying im just another punk kid who doesn't care about anything but himself. & dr. weren't you the one who had the couple month long pissing match with someone else on here? I'm out, i've gotta get ready for my race, Nate ------------- Nathan http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1463&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - My '78 Ski Nautique <a href="http://photobucket.com/Nates78ski" rel="nofoll |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: June-21-2008 at 3:36pm
Nate, Eric is right about your opinion changing with time...you are also right about having an opinion! That only shows that you aren't afraid to think for yourself. 
Eric, what are we going to do with all of these kids being raised by the Spears sisters?!!? I just read an article last night where 40 something percent of kids in high school(don't remember where) couldn't find England on a map, but they can sure tell you who won American Idol! And another group of girls in the midwest somewhere made a pregnancy pact...so they'd have someone to love them unconditionally?!!? OK, I had better quit here! LOL ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: June-21-2008 at 4:15pm
On this point you are totally correct. It is my belief that if we don't teach our kids to thrive in a global economy, then the answer will be that it won't be very good for them when they are our age. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: June-21-2008 at 4:22pm
That was Massachusetts. Unbelievable. 17 girls pregnant, all under 16. Perhaps it doesn't matter whether jobs remain in America. It seems more and more that the next generation does't want to work anyway. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: June-21-2008 at 6:29pm
|
Oops, maybe the other story was in the midwest? LOL
I heard on the news a few minutes ago that britney's sister gave birth...somebody please tell me how that's news?!!? Isn't she pretty young as well? BKH Think of what kids are exposed to these days compared to what we were; sometimes I think they don't have a chance. I say kids these days who grow up with TWO good parents(preferably of different genders) will have the world by the tail! ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: June-21-2008 at 7:04pm
I don't accept that argument. I grew up in the sixties and seventies, 20 miles from San Francisco. You could buy pot to acid on every street corner; there were parents smoking pot and swapping wives; no one was hiding the gay population. They didn't even know about AIDs yet. There were plenty of gangs, guns and crime. Still, only one girl in my entire high school had a kid while still in school. I don't buy the "uncertain world" BS either. When I was growing up, we were squarely in the middle of Vietnam, and every night just before dinner, the television news would show the photos of local boys who had died. There were riots over the war, riots in Berkeley over free speach, and riots in several of the high schools over race and forced busing. What kids have now is zero responsibility, and zero accountability. There are no consequences for their actions. Everyone is a winner, blah blah blah. If you get bad grades, you must have a learning problem. If you get into mischief, it must be the fault of the bad influece around you. Absurd. I read an article recently talking about how new college hires have to be coddled. Free food and drink. Video and arcade games at the work place. If you don't baby them, they quit and move on, and some other company is more than happy to babysit. Supervisors report mothers writing notes to them or coming to their offices when they don't like the performance appraisal recieved by their allegedly adult children. Further, these kids think they should be paid the same as men and women who have been doing the job for 20 years. Yet, we blame our problems an illegal aliens who do nothing more than work their butts off in jobs that our young people arent' willing to do, for wages our citizens snub their noses at. The parents aren't much better at setting an example. I've had numerous employees that think they should have time off everytime their kid is out of school. Nevermind that the kids get 3 months off throughout the year, and the parents only get 2-3 weeks vacation, they still think they deserve the time off. That's not to mention all the times they want to head home early for the dance recital, swim meet, piano lesson, whatever. I certainly don't remember my Dad taking that time off. He got his two weeks vacation, and that was it. Then we wonder why American companies would rather use foreign labor. If you want to fix America, worry about something you can influence - your own kids. Whew, done with that rant.  BKH------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: June-21-2008 at 8:10pm
|
Brian, that is the last straw.........
How dare you preach about fairness and truth on this site.Being held accountable for ones actions, reaping what you sow. Where do you get off telling the truth to those that do not want to hear anything but ........Thank you , May I and your parents are to BLAME........ Thank God I live in Monterey Louisiana That there are less than 500 families here That I value the above Morals, Values and have a deep respect for those both smarter and OLDER> I have both a Respect of and a love for my God.These were things that were cultivated at an early age by my "PARENTS" and yes I had TWO.....Both White And yes i grew up in a dysfunctional family, at the age of 45 it dawned on me ........ Mom and Dad did the best job they could and any problems I had with accepting life on lifes terms were MINE not theirs..... You see I was the Dysfuntion in our family.... Thanks for Getting Me Old Mom and Dad .............................. Thank you Brian............Boat dr ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-21-2008 at 9:21pm
| we are, I believe on the right track with these thoughts, i was at my friends the other night in the same neighborhood i grew up in, it was almost a dead silence in the row houses except for cars passing by and I asked him where all the kids were at, we played in those streets as kids whether it was baseball, kick the can or even hide and go seek. Our parents begged us to come in at dark. I was baffled, are these kids sitting in front of the TV? are they not allowed out? it was real wierd |
Posted By: nates78ski
Date Posted: June-21-2008 at 10:20pm
|
kids now days are all inside playing video games & being fed hot pockets by their lazy ass parents. Instead of making them go play outside or making a home cooked meal. It's pathetic.
Nate ------------- Nathan http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1463&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - My '78 Ski Nautique <a href="http://photobucket.com/Nates78ski" rel="nofoll |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: June-21-2008 at 11:13pm
Wow Brian, good one...Doc as well! I don't have any children and don't intend to, and what Doc said is more along the lines of what I meant. I used some trivial examples earlier on, but think who's teaching the kids eating hot pockets in front of the boob tube. I could easily go on my own rant about government education. The sharpest kids I meet are homeschooled. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: June-22-2008 at 1:02am
|
Nate you are just like a Willow Tree,It is your generation that we speak of.
Which way the wind blows the hardest you will follow someone else's lead..........FOLLOWERS.............. You ain't old enough to remember the times we speak of ,much less have been a part of them, and for this it saddens me...... The PRIDE and the SPIRIT of being an AMERICAN is slowly going the way of a nickel Coke and there is little chance those in our shadows will have the balls nor the fortitude to say so.... When we kicked God out of our schools we let in the ...Enough Already OK ------------- boat dr /diaries/details.asp?ID=4631 - 1949 Dart /diaries/details.asp?ID=1533 - 1964 American Skier |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-22-2008 at 11:54am
|
the only thing i had on my mind at that age was a POA, my stepfather booted my ass out at 8:00 am and told me not to come back to dark, he was a son of a bitch, my younger brother rebeled tooth and nail and those 2 did not get along but you know I look back and now i know what he was thinking, he molded work ethic into me, whether it was weeding the garden or helping him at his shop, it is something i will carry with me and i find myself passing the same methods onto my kids.
there is no such thing as microwave meals in the house, when its sunny out the kids are outside, My wife gets them involved in sports and i try to make every game, It really is tough on me with her not working but i rather go broke then to have the kids shoved into daycare. I think all the influences on kids have went to the wayside |
Posted By: nates78ski
Date Posted: June-22-2008 at 2:26pm
|
i'm a willow tree?...
Nate ------------- Nathan http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1463&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - My '78 Ski Nautique <a href="http://photobucket.com/Nates78ski" rel="nofoll |
Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: June-23-2008 at 10:40am
Wow, just finished reading this whole thread (as boating season is very busy here, I'm a little less often on here)... Very intresting thread indeed as you stated John.
Loved that episode Kyle!
Chris, I'm with you on this one. As Belgium doesn't have a car manufacturer (not anymore anyway) I still prefer to buy European, in the "support thy neighbour" spirit. My parents in law prefer jap cars. To each his own...
We have a very big Ford plant here in Genk and quite a few of my friends work there. Ford is a very popular car in Europe. As I mentionned, Belgium does not have their own manufacturer, but we have quite a few big automobile plants here: Ford in Genk, Volvo in Gent, GM in Antwerp, Volkswagen near Brussels...
Exactly the same happened over here back then. Even my parents started to buy Japanse cars... But, European (and American) cars cought up on them quite good. The only thing here in Europe, is that our cars still can't compete on warranty with the Japs... BTW, US cars are becomning quite popular here, so don't worry.
Nate, I agree with Buffalo. There will always be guys on here that will disagree with you. Just try to look at both sides of the story before forming your opnion.
I have friends working in construction. Everywhere in the construction business (and not only in htat field) you hear they hire Poles, Tchechs, Kroats... because they can't find locals to work for them. Sollicitation intervieuws are more and more about the demands of the candidate for the job instead about hte demands of the employer. Friend of mine is a teacher at a technical school. Whenever he gives a punishment to a student or detention, you can bet on it that the next day, the parents are at his desk asking him where he got the brutality of punishing their son or daughter...
It's been quite a few years since I saw or heard kids playing on our streets... Well, it was good reading to me! ------------- - Gun control means: using BOTH hands! - Money doesn't make one happy, but when it rains cats and dogs, it's still better to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle... |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: June-23-2008 at 11:39am
| thats funny, this kid of color in my neihborhood 8 years old, has been bugging to ride my sons dirtbike and i keep telling him its broke or out of gas, during the week my wife smelled gas and was curious so she looked out in the garage and here is this kid with a bucket of gas trying to fill the bike so he could take it for a ride....he is GD lucky i wasnt home...who the fk is acountable for this kid? |