4160 carb??
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Topic: 4160 carb??
Posted By: kevin719
Subject: 4160 carb??
Date Posted: October-11-2008 at 7:54pm
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I pulled my carb for a rebuild and it does not have 4160 on it! I have a crusader. I thought it might be the wrong carb because it is set up for a manual choke.It has been years since I rebuilt a carb so I am not very familiar with holley numbers! On the neck of this carb it has "list-1850-3" and "2050" under that.Could this be stock??? Thanks! ------------- kevinindy |
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Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: October-11-2008 at 10:08pm
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If no one here knows call Holley and give them the numbers,they can tell you exactly what it was off of. I believe 4160 means it has vacuum secondaries and a 4150 has mechanical secondaries.
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Posted By: kevin719
Date Posted: October-11-2008 at 10:24pm
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Yeah I have been on holleys site and I believe that this is a street carb.1850-3 It is 600 cfm like the 4160 but I do not believe that it is a marine application.Really I do not even know the difference! ------------- kevinindy |
Posted By: kevin719
Date Posted: October-11-2008 at 10:26pm
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did the 74 crusader come with a 4160 with electric choke?? ------------- kevinindy |
Posted By: Brktracer
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 12:09am
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1850 is a street carb.
It's a 4160 model. Vacuum secondaries w/ plain spring 66 primary jets 134-9 secondary metering plate .025 squirter You can use Holley # 37-119 (stock) or 37-912 (Trick Kit) for rebuilding. This carb will work but does not include the safety features of the marine carb. The easiest way to tell the difference is the marine carb has "J" shaped tubes for the bowl vents. The marine carb also has throttle shaft seals. Good luck! Matt ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3180 - 1976 Nautique |
Posted By: kevin719
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 4:40am
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Thanks very much! I think that I will buy a new 4160 from skidim if I can not find one here.They will sell for 450 and 25 shipping.If anyone knows somewhere cheaper??? ------------- kevinindy |
Posted By: Brktracer
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 12:41pm
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Price depends on the exact model. Summit racing lists 4-5 600 CFM models ranging from $400 to $500. Looks like that price is fair. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3180 - 1976 Nautique |
Posted By: kevin719
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 11:23pm
Does anyone know the holley carb number that I need for a 74 crusader? I know it is a 4160 but there is a couple of them. I can order from advance auto and get a good discount but I want to make sure I get the right one. I can buy for 375 new with my discount if it is the right one.Thanks(and yes I am getting a marine carb, dont want to blow up  )------------- kevinindy |
Posted By: Sam B
Date Posted: October-13-2008 at 11:41pm
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Kevin,
I recieved your email and my carb is a holley 6576 a marine carb no longeer in production. The tech department at Holley set me up with a rebuild kit. In your case a new one sounds like the way to go. Sam ------------- Loud pipes save lives!! 2011 Green Lake Reunion Best of Show. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3391&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1973&yrend=1973" rel="nofollow - Sam's 73 |
Posted By: fastjohnny
Date Posted: October-14-2008 at 12:39am
| I have a good 4160 on the shelf, if interested. |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: October-14-2008 at 12:51am
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Kevin, what size is your engine? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: kevin719
Date Posted: October-15-2008 at 9:34pm
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it is a 74 351w crusader.I bought a 4160 on ebay last night for 60 bucks.It said that it came off a small block ford so I should be ok.If not I will contact you fast johnny.Thanks ------------- kevinindy |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: October-16-2008 at 11:14am
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point us to the link so we can check it out. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: kevin719
Date Posted: October-16-2008 at 7:33pm
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ok but tell me how to do this ------------- kevinindy |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-16-2008 at 8:05pm
Go to the ebay page with the carb Right click on the URL. (That's the "address" box where you normally type in a web site) Click copy Come back to this tread to post a reply. Click on the globe icon above the box where you normally type. A box will come up and in it type the description as you want it to appear in the thread. "ebay carb" click ok The next box up will be the spot to paste the URL you have copied off ebay. Right click and hit paste. Then ok and your done. You can always go to the "preview post" click on the link and see if it worked!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
kevin719 wrote:Posted By: kevin719
Date Posted: October-16-2008 at 8:37pm
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link:http://mailcenter.comcast.net/wmc/v/wm/48F7B2C700065B39000050572207020853C7CEC90207900A05?cmd=Show&no=770&uid=208124&sid=c0 - did not match any documents - ebay carb ------------- kevinindy |
Posted By: kevin719
Date Posted: October-16-2008 at 8:42pm
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ok maybe this will work http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&viewitem=&item=290266277908 - ebay carb ------------- kevinindy |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-17-2008 at 8:27am
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Kevin,
Glad you got the linking figured out. Only two tries too. It took me alot more tries to get it! I don't think one of our other older members has gotten it figured out yet!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: kevin719
Date Posted: October-17-2008 at 12:39pm
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only one pic but does it look like the right carb?? Does anyone want to buy a 1850-3 600 cfm street carb for cheap??lol ------------- kevinindy |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: October-18-2008 at 12:14am
Whoa....I resemble that remark. john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: October-18-2008 at 10:03am
Well, old dogs can be taught new tricks - it just takes longer. Then there's the problem of: "I did that yesterday and now can't remember how I did it!" ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: October-18-2008 at 10:57am
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"The Elders" when do you become one? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: October-19-2008 at 3:11am
Thats the problem...Larry H. told me how to do this once...but I forgot by the time I got around to trying it. Don't worry eric...you'll find out soon enough. john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: Brktracer
Date Posted: October-20-2008 at 3:42pm
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Glad I read this because until now I didn't know how either. I never paid any attention to that icon!
Matt ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3180 - 1976 Nautique |
Posted By: RainDog
Date Posted: October-21-2008 at 1:23am
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I'd rather be able to back foot like jbear than link a URL. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1868&sort=&pagenum=1 - 62 Classic http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5242&sort=&pagenum=1 - 2002 Super Air |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: October-21-2008 at 2:47am
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Thanks Steve....you just made my day.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: October-21-2008 at 10:35am
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Im there John, i keep shaving the gray's off my chest so the young wife (30) wont notice ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Brktracer
Date Posted: October-21-2008 at 11:13pm
I resemble that remark!!! I've never even tried footing! I have a boom somewhere. Might have to dig it out sometime! jbear's pics are very inspiring! Matt ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3180 - 1976 Nautique |
Posted By: kevin719
Date Posted: October-27-2008 at 8:24pm
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update I received the ebay carb today and guess what not 4160. it has list-50463 and 1688 below.Will this work?? ------------- kevinindy |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: October-27-2008 at 8:44pm
Wanna bet? 
A 4160 is the style of Holley- but I dont believe it will actually say "4160" anywhere on the carb. The 50463 LIST number indicates that it is a marine 4160... thats the same LIST number Ive got on my '90. Its a 600cfm, which is exactly what you need for your 351w. It should look like this (but probably not as ugly): 
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Posted By: kevin719
Date Posted: October-27-2008 at 8:53pm
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Actually you are wrong.Mine is uglier That is the best news I have had all day! I have been waiting for almost 2 weeks and when I got it and cleaned the numbers I was pretty bummed! This thing looks and feels like it was outside a bit but I will clean and rebuild and see what happens.At least I have the pcm rebuild kit for it already.Thanks for the good news! ------------- kevinindy |
Posted By: kevin719
Date Posted: November-01-2008 at 9:24pm
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Ok I installed the ebay carb today(before the rebuild) just to see what happens.I had to buy a new inlet nipple with a 45 degree bend so it would clear the intake,no problem.It ran pretty crappy but I expected that.I just wanted to hear the old girl come to life again. My question is about the electric choke.I see from pbrainards wiring diagram that the positive goes to that block on front of the motor where the alt. exciter wire goes.no prob. and the ground goes to the intake ground lug.Can someone please tell me do these chokes close when powered and open with the airflow? It looks as if mine is not working and I will need to fix when I rebuild the carb.Does anyone happen to have the part number for a holley electric choke rebuild?T ------------- kevinindy |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: November-01-2008 at 9:51pm
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On the wiring diagram that I created, its a schematic. It shows the electrical connections- you can make the physical connections wherever its convenient.
The choke works with temperature. Its closed when cold and open when warm. ------------- |
Posted By: kevin719
Date Posted: November-01-2008 at 11:45pm
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trbenji another question.When I was wiring the choke I found a cut wire in the wiring bundle.When I put 12volts to this wire it sounded the warning buzzer under the dash.Does this hook up to the temp and oil sending units or just the temp?? The guages are still hooked up and working they apparently just unhooked the buzzer.Thanks again! ------------- kevinindy |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-02-2008 at 10:16am
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Kevin,
Here's the wiring diagram from the early PCM manual. Basically it's the same as the one Tim drew up but there may be some more details. A warning buzzer (did you actually find a buzzer?) would have been a add on by a PO in a 74. Sounds like you may want to consider re wiring the whole boat and I even think I recommended it before!! 
The choke: Quite honestly I don't know how it works exactly! Internally there is a bimetallic spring (coil) that gets power from the ignition circuit. I've never really investigated why it will open up the choke butterfly as the engine warms up. I'm sure someone will chime in and explain it. Doc? I'd like to know too! Skidim does have the coil assemblies for about $35 if you need one. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: LaurelLakeSkier
Date Posted: November-02-2008 at 2:11pm
The choke opening is not dependent on engine temperature with this system. It is just a matter of the time power is run through the choke coil (more time = more heat). As an example, if you key the ignition up without even starting the engine, the choke will slowly begin to open after 30 seconds or so.... the length of time required to open the choke can be adjusted by turning the choke coil housing. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-02-2008 at 3:19pm
Thanks Mark! Well that sure is simple and logical!! Now I know. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: kevin719
Date Posted: November-02-2008 at 11:24pm
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Thanks from me too Mark!Now I know what to look for.pbrainard are you sure that none of these came with a buzzer? This thing does look stock.Or at least it looks as old as everything else I know that it is pretty darn loud! If I knew how to post pics on here I would to show you guys. I think that you are right and it was added for some reason but I will not hook back up if not stock! If anyone has any good tips for rebuilding these carbs I am all ears! I know to make sure it is straight and clean but I have not rebuilt a 4 barrel in at lest 15 years. I am sure that it will be good but if anyone has any tips I will be happy to listen! Thanks ------------- kevinindy |
Posted By: Sam B
Date Posted: November-02-2008 at 11:46pm
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Kevin, I bought one of these from summit #HLY-45-258 Holley Replacement Choke Caps Choke Cap, with Gasket, Holley, 2300/ 4150/ 4160/ 4010/ 4011, Each $23.95 Works great. Sam ------------- Loud pipes save lives!! 2011 Green Lake Reunion Best of Show. %20http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3391&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1973&yrend=1973" rel="nofollow - Sam's 73 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-03-2008 at 7:40am
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Kevin,
Now you have got me curious about the buzzer! The wire you found that was cut, one end goes to the buzzer, where does the other end go (the means of switching the power on)? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-03-2008 at 10:04am
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alot of times they will go to the trans temp sending unit which normally has 215 degrees stamped on the side of the sending unit ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-03-2008 at 10:47am
Eric, I've never seen a trans temp/warning buzzer on a 70's boat. Do you think like I do that a PO may have added it? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-04-2008 at 10:13am
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i think if he added it, it would of been operational...what else could it of been from? I dont know, your right though, too early of a boat to have one ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-04-2008 at 11:04am
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Eric,
I really don't know what else!!! The only thing I remember in the pre early 70's boats were the combustable gas detectors before the advent of the bilge blowers. They always had a small control panel mounted in or under the dash. Of course we don't know if it's really a buzzer yet ether! Kevin, You've got to figure out how and post a picture. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: kevin719
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 11:29pm
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ok I found these directions for rebuilding and tuning a 4160 if anyone else needs. http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/1999/12/holley/ - 4160 rebuild instructions ------------- kevinindy |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-08-2008 at 10:30am
Kevin, Did you find the site instructions on posting pictures? You're driving me nuts with the buzzer mystery!! Where does the other end of the wire go?? (the one that was cut) Posting pictures: First click on the icon above of the tree with the arrow. It will take you to a window to browse your computer files. Find the picture you want to post and click "open". If you get a message that the file type is wrong or too big, try using the Photobucket method: http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5142&KW=posting+pictures - picture posting using photobucket ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: kevin719
Date Posted: November-09-2008 at 9:50am
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I will take some pics of this buzzer and trace the wiring soon.I have been working 14 hours a day this last week repairing drill rigs. We have all rigs drilling for a windfarm from sunup to sundown 7 days a week and they are breaking a lot of equipment! I just got around to tearing down the carb last night! Long week! But plenty of money for boat parts :) ------------- kevinindy |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: November-09-2008 at 12:25pm
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Great industry to be in! ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: kevin719
Date Posted: November-09-2008 at 5:04pm
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Hey pbrainard send me your email and I will send you the pics and you can post.This buzzer has two wire spades on it its a small metal box with the number 283 on it.One wire which I assume is ground goes to the fuel guage.The other is orange which is the same wire that was cut off in the engine box area. ------------- kevinindy |
Posted By: kevin719
Date Posted: November-09-2008 at 5:10pm
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I forgot my question.Does pcm sell only 1 rebuild kit for the 4160? My needle and seats for the float bowls are different than what came in their kit.Also the kit did not have the sec. diaphram in it?The little metal tag on the carb reads motocraft e8jl ca a8f16 and the choke horn says e8jl-9510-ca list 50463 1688.Thanks ------------- kevinindy |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-09-2008 at 5:38pm
Kevin, My email is in my profile but here it is. pbrainard@wistool.com Hopefully the firewall won't remove the pictures!! A orange wire if original is the main positive feed to the dash! I asked about the other end meaning the end at the engine!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-09-2008 at 9:27pm
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Kevin,
It looks like a relay to me but then should have a third wire on it. Possibly the horn relay. With a low voltage, a relay will buzz because there's not enough power for the coil to hold the contacts in. Also could be a balancing resistor for the fuel gauge. Tracing where the other end of the wire (by the engine)will tell.  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: kevin719
Date Posted: November-09-2008 at 9:47pm
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The other end is in the wiring bundle in the motor box.It is orange and was cut off when I bought it. It does not have power but when I power it, that box buzzes pretty loud?? I also can tell you that the dual horns are not working properly so you may be right about the horn relay.I am thinking about pulling the wires under the dash and starting over after I finish the floor and carb. What do you think about the carb kits?I think that I will call holleys tech line tomorrow. ------------- kevinindy |
Posted By: kevin719
Date Posted: November-09-2008 at 9:54pm
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Oh I forgot to say that this box is mounted in the middle of the dash,under the step for the walk through window. ------------- kevinindy |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-09-2008 at 10:50pm
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Kevin, Is there a third wire on it but just hidden in the picture? I know the cut wire is in the engine harness. Trace it when you get a chance and see where it goes.
I'm letting someone else answer the carb kit question. I'm not up on the carbs. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-10-2008 at 7:34am
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Kevin,
I just took a real close look at the other picture you emailed me and it doesn't have a 3rd wire. The orange wire to the fuel gauge, does it daisy chain to the other gauges too? If so, it's got to be a balancing resistor for all the gauges. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: kevin719
Date Posted: November-10-2008 at 10:08pm
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Pbrainard, I know that all of the guages are linked together but I will check to see if they are linked to this resistor. I bet that you are right.It will probably be a couple of days before I can check because I am out of town at the windmill farm repairing the rigs on site this week.I am starting to like this "green power" stuff! ------------- kevinindy |
Posted By: Nelson
Date Posted: August-22-2015 at 1:55pm
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Has anyone ever bought from either marinecarburetor.com or nationalcarburetor.com? One of them lists a 4160 marine carb for $258, sounds cheap even for a reman. Just wondering if anyone has had any luck with either of them. I also have a 50463 but I think it's been frankenized.... ------------- 1986 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: Dreaming
Date Posted: August-28-2015 at 5:08pm
talk about bringing a thread back from the brink of the dark ages  I think there are some threads on the newest and best alternative to the holley carbs here recently (quick fuel comes to mind) you might check out those options too, but there really is nothing wrong with the good old holleys. Reman vs Rebuilt can be significantly different. is there a way you can find out what was done to it? rebuild kits can be around 85 bucks retail, so if it is someone who just does this as a hobby, that might leave enough meat on the bone if you have to send in your core. I think if you are questioning the quality, you might just have to step up for the real deal, but if your capable of doing your own rebuild in a year, still might be worth it. |