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Topic: primer
Posted By: sanity
Subject: primer
Date Posted: November-06-2008 at 1:31pm
I ask for your experience and expertise in recommending a primer. The paint on my 66 mustang project is "almost" all gone and there's a bit of smoothing out to do yet. I have decided on imron for the paint. Input please? Talk me into it or talk me out of it. 
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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: November-06-2008 at 1:37pm
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No chance of bringing back the original gel? ------------- |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-06-2008 at 1:44pm
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a good 2 part primer, omni is a good brand or Sherwin Williams. Imron is a brand name and is I believe an acrylic urethane. Talk to your paint supply guy. usually when i paint a boat I will spray a single stage paint on, and on the last coat will mix in a good clear 50/50, with the paint. the clear has UV protectors in it and will give you the shine. remember: you pay for what you get. talk to the supplier about painting your boat. not the painter because thats all a painter knows how to do is paint and really doesnt know the chemical logistics of the paints. weve painted boats 10 years ago and they still hold thier shine and look as if they were painted yesterday ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-06-2008 at 1:48pm
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I knew that I would be hearing from you regarding bringing it back.
I tossed the idea around quite a bit. The gel is really pitted up to where the water line would land. There are a few areas where the previous owner(s) tried repairing above that. I decided that painting would be the best option - for the mustang and myself. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-06-2008 at 1:49pm
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Michelle,
Why Imron? Has the person doing your paint job done boats before? How versed is he with different paints? You may want to consider one of the linear polyurethanes that is more marine specific like Allgrip or Sterling. No matter who's paint you use, always use the paint manufacturers recommended primer system. If the gel has any stress cracking, they must be routed out and filled. No matter what the primer is, if the cranks aren't filled, they will with time telegraph through the paint. I've seen it in as little as several weeks after the paint is fully cured. Tim, She wants a different color! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-06-2008 at 2:11pm
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Pete - that's what I needed. I'll check into the allgrip and sterling. We truly do not have any professional (boat) painters in our area. I've learned alot on "this" site.
I do have a friend that owns a body shop and he referred a buddy of his to me. This guy has offered his time and expertise as far as painting and helping to strip the boat. He "donates" his spare evening time to help and he instructs me. I get to paint - he has all of the tools. Hard to believe - I know.he is becoming a fast friend of mine and my fiance's. I guess what I need to do is contact each company and request specifications on their products. I was hoping that a few of you guys could offer what you have used and "why" you prefer using the product. I know when I start receiving information, every company will say they are the best. I like hearing tried and true. Tim - when I first saw this mustang, I envisioned the colors I would like to see it. As I started stripping the paint, it didn't look so bad. I would stand back, look at it and the boat actually "smiled". That is till I hit the pitted and repair areas. I'm not crazy about the yucatan yellow, but I would have kept it original if it were in better shape. eric - what products have you used together as far as paint/primer. Are these boats kept in the water? The mustang will be trailered, but I want the quality of something that could be. Thanks guys
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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: November-06-2008 at 2:20pm
Yucatan yellow? Thats a rare color! Post a pic of the boat as it sits. Unless there are a lot of gouges, I just dont see how it wouldnt be better to restore the gel. Its amazing what wetsanding and buffing can do for a finish. I just dont see a painted boat holding a nice looking finish as easily as gel, especially if you trailer all the time. ------------- |
sanity wrote:Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-06-2008 at 2:25pm
| Oh boy...that's opening a whole new can of worms. I will take a few updated pictures tonight and will post in the morning. |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: November-06-2008 at 2:35pm
You want it? You got it! 
Pete, I cant believe you dont have my back here! ------------- |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-06-2008 at 2:50pm
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You guys don't know me well enough yet.
I will gather ALL of the information you can give me - paint, primer and including restoring the gel if it is possible and cost effective. Talk me into it or talk me out of it. I want to learn everything I can along the way.So, if I ask alot of questions, please be patient. Once I have all the options and opinions in hand, I will sit in a quiet room, go through everything and then make a final decision. Once I decide...it'll be final. 
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Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-06-2008 at 3:16pm
BTW, Pete, it was smiling when I envisioned it painted too. thanks
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-06-2008 at 3:21pm
Tim, I did mention the re gelcoating threads back!! Michelle, Let me remind you that re gelcoating the boat is certainly the premium way of restoration. It is sprayed on like paint only very heavy. It's then wetsanded out and buffed. More work but the end result is basically a new boat. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: November-06-2008 at 3:27pm
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Pete, lets wait for pics- theres no way to say if regelling is necessary, or if a few spot repairs and wetsanding/buffing would bring it back.
Michelle, kudos for doing your homework.  ------------- |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-06-2008 at 3:36pm
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alright gentlemen. I am running home on my lunch break to take pictures.Then you can tell me the whats and whys.
Yes, Pete. I do remember. Keep in mind that there are many items missing and some things that "are" on the boat are not original. Back in a bit. Chelle' |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-06-2008 at 4:48pm
back with pictures. I'll post one to check resize and then post others.Need to change camera date.
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Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-06-2008 at 4:53pm
three more after these
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Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-06-2008 at 5:00pm
last 3
ok...ready for input. As you can tell, it's still in progress as far as stripping. |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-06-2008 at 6:32pm
uh-oh! Did the pictures scare everyone away.
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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: November-06-2008 at 6:37pm
I guess the first thing would be to finish stripping the paint.
Once you know exactly what you have to work with, then you can make a decision. The pictures arent very big, but assuming there are only a few repaired patches, restoring the gel might not be too bad of a task. Remove the rest of the paint and get us some better pictures! That Yucatan yellow has a lot of potential, by the way- I like it. I love my Inca Gold despite its ugliness... you dont see many boats like it- probably because most people were smart enough not to order a boat that color in the first place! I say keep the yellow- it will grow on you. Long live the vintage colors!  ------------- |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-06-2008 at 6:39pm
| Tim, what causes the bubbling in the first two pictures? How do you repair that? |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-06-2008 at 6:52pm
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Michelle,
The "bubbling" looks like blistering but it's hard to tell from the pictures. Tim's correct to see if you can get some more paint off. Consider going at it with a random orbit sander now with some fine paper like 220 grit. Don't get carried away - you just want remove more of the paint to get to the gel. Blistering is very common on older boats with the early polyester resins. It usually occurs when the boat sits in the water for long times. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: November-06-2008 at 6:54pm
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Michelle, the blisters are osmotic- gelcoat is porous and will absorb water. CC technically recommends that boats not be left in the water without a protective bottom paint for this reason- but the blisters are purely cosmetic. Some boats seem very perceptable to this, and some dont- I dont know why. Our '92 was only left in the water 1 season and it developed a few blisters below the waterline a few years later. My Skier sat in the water for 25+ years and it doesnt have a blister on it.
Edit: Pete beat me to it. Pete, can blisters be sanded flat? Just curious. I would imagine that buffing the gel out would make them much harder to see, anyways. ------------- |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-06-2008 at 7:10pm
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How do you repair the blistering? Sanding, fill and re-gel or sanding, fill and primer/paint? The starboard side is pretty much done. The port side is still in progress. The mustang looks like it has a case of chicken pox. I've gotten this far and I want to do everything right.
I guess I'm trying to make the big decision based on "if" I paint. This is probably a stupid question, but I know nothing about gel coat. Please don't put this in the ebayhole post. Can I re-gel in a different color? How would I even match the yucatan? You know the old saying about having a strong foundation. Our 82 Nautique doesn't have a blister and we dock it all summer. We won't be docking the Mustang. |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: November-06-2008 at 8:55pm
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I painted my previous boat (25 yrs ago) with Imron & it held up well. If you do this yourself, get a fresh air hood. It's nasty stuff to breathe, will ruin your health even with a charcoal respirator. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: November-06-2008 at 10:18pm
Yes be very careful it uses the same chemicals as superglue and will kill you if you breath in too much. The only way to go is with a hood with supplied air,there is no filter made that will keep the fumes out. Check with your supplier I think Imron can be applied with no primer.I did the transom of my Dad's Shamrock a number of years ago,with no primer and it's held up very well,but it's never left in the water and it's not below the waterline. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 7:45am
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The blistering is caused by moisture intrusion into the base resin (hull) below the gel coat. (polyester resin is hygroscopic) Then to my understanding that a reaction takes place between the gel and the hull that develops pressure popping off the gel. They must be routed out and filled.
Tim's correct that some boats will do it and others won't and there's no explanation why. Charlie (Brady) has a 70 Cuda and it's bottom has lots of blistering - never sat in the water - alway hung out of the water in a boathouse. Sometimes the blistering is so bad that the entire gel needs to be removed. Gary (farmer) did one of his not to long ago. Gary, you still have a couple of the pictures? I couldn't fint the thread. Re gelcoating can be done in any color just like paint. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 11:17am
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Good news is that it is Friday.
I am interested in seeing what Gary (farmer) started with and ended with. I did make one decision and I'm sure I will hear Tim screaming. I AM changing the color. As I was removing paint last night, I had a nice long talk with him (as it's not a "her" Mustang) and he and I are both very happy with the color change decision. I am going to reverse the colors of the Nautique for the Mustang. I will continue my research and hopefully will be able to hear from Gary regarding the steps he took with the blistering and the results he had. I want the blisters "gone". This is alot of work and prep and I do not mind hard work. I want to do it right and be proud of the end result. So....next step is removing blisters, making repairs to the existing and final decision re: gel or paint. Can the existing gel be gelled over with the new color(s)? Must I create a rough surface if re-gel? Chelle' |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 11:37am
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I had you in my mind as a big burly flannel wearing woman that loves boats ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 11:45am
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Isn't it funny how we picture people?
We are really involved in boating. I am the VP of the regatta and boating, skiing, boarding...water sports are our entire summer. Hunting takes presidence in the winter months. Hence, I am very excited about my new project. This will make the very cold winter not seem so bad. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 11:50am
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are those airguide guages? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 11:56am
| yes they are. It's an 82 2001. Love the boat. I'll search for a picture of it. |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 12:04pm
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Not one of the better pic's, but it works.
I want the Mustang to match the middle red on the stripe and white. 
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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 12:10pm
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that should be easy to do, did you decide on paint yet? was that you i talked to last year about the wolmanized wood somebody repaired your boat with? im trying to put a voice to the face ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 12:14pm
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Michelle,
Good looking rig (well and the 82').. You have two ways to go with refinishing. 1. Patch and paint, which may or may not last and be resistant to punishment.. And 2. Re-Gel which you'll have to remove what's on the boat now (bringing it down to glass) and spray the new hardcoat. Re-gelling will basically give you a completely new, durable surface, as if you left the yellow in tact.. It's more time consuming in the prep and more expensive as a finish, but it's the ultimate way to go.. If you're going to paint, then each and every crack needs to be routed out, and filled. Paint will not mask the cracks.. I have a 76 and 77' CC's and neither one had a blister anywhere.. Boats hulls are just like that.. Best of luck with whatever you decide.. Moj' ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 12:14pm
| No, not I. But when searching for stringer wood for the Mustang, one of our local boat shops suggested wolmanized. I even knew better. Maybe that's the reason I ask for all opinions and advice. It's easier to sort through everything and make choices rather than listen to 1 voice. |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 12:22pm
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[QUOTE=Mojo] And
2. Re-Gel which you'll have to remove what's on the boat now (bringing it down to glass) and spray the new hardcoat. Moj', Why can't you re-gel over existing gel? Because of adhesion? |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 12:48pm
Michelle, The way Dave worded the statement is confusing. No the gel doesn't need to come off the existing. BUT if the prep work is extensive (lots of blistering cracking) then it's easier to remove all of the bad original gel. Routing, filling and sanding is the same as paint. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 12:58pm
Yeah, what he said... Pete, at what extent do need to prep the old Gel for good adhesion for new Gel ? ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 1:02pm
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ok. Thanks for explaining that. I went over the Mustang last night with a careful eye. There are no cracks, just blisters. I can tell you that I am now leaning more towards the gel. I'm pretty good at painting, but have never had the opportunity or desire to work with gel coat until now. My friend has all of the tools I can utilize,as he owns a body repair shop, but he doesn't have experience with gel coat either.
I will await your answer to Moj's question and will head in that direction. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 1:31pm
Dave, If you have thousands of blisters/cracking/checking then is easier and takes less man hours to just remove all the old gel and then level/fair the hull. Gary's (farmer) boat is a good example. His was so bad that he removed all the gel. Remember he even made the removal tool out of a 4" right angle grinder. I'm going to have to do a search for that thread. If you only have a few bad spots (let's say around 100) then routing and filling the spots isn't going to take that long. BTW, this prep work is the same for gel or paint. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 1:43pm
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I found Gary's thread but the pictures have been removed.
http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5439&KW=farmer - paint shaver pro Gary, Can you find your blister pictures again? BTW, regarding the pictures - I found out the hard way one day when I was "cleaning" out my photobucket account that when you delete pictures they no longer come up here on the site. Being the computer geek I am, I never realized that photobucket posts are actually links to the pictures!!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 2:07pm
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Pete, I read through the thread.
Wow, you guys are pretty much split regarding painting or re-gel. Maybe I better wait till I make my repairs before I decide. 
Eric, if it weren't for the expense of re-gel, do you think you would choose that over paint? Since we have no boat (body) repair shops in Beaver County, by the time I learn and complete my project, I'll be able to take others on as a side job.
Seems silly, but one of my main concerns is adhesion. When I think paint - oil and latex do not mix well. If you cut a piece of wood it would be silly to repair it with plastic. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 2:32pm
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thats a loaded question, if i have a guy with a ton of money and he said spare no expense,i would gel it. i would estimate it at twice the normal paint job because it is labor intensive. I would go to town with a big smile.
its not a hobby for me so my opinion is not very valid in this situation. as I said earlier Ive painted boats 10 years ago and they still look good to this day with single stage paints such as acrylic urethanes and so on, even with bc/cc its a good durable looking paint job, but with bc/cc you dont leave the boat in the water and you take care of it, you wipe it down when your down, you wax regularly....there is alot of variables its up to you and your budget. make a list of what your intentions are with the boat and then decide, include is it going to be a boat for show or is it going to be a boat that you use all the time and so on, weather is also a factor, how much you use the boat is a factor ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 2:34pm
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that picture didnt last long, what happened? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: skinaut
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 2:36pm
AH-OH, Are you seeing colors? Is the boat taking back? check for open paint or solvent cans in the garage. Get some air circulating in there.. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/images/3984/photo1.jpg" rel="nofollow - 86 Ski http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/chinewalker/boats/May820015.jpg" rel="nofollow - 70 Centurion |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 2:36pm
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LOL...I went back to a burly, flannel boat lover.
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Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 2:38pm
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While you do not need to go down to the bare glass before re-geling I think it would be better to do so. Adhesion of the new gel coat would be as good either way assuming similar surface prep, and better than even the best paints discussed above. However gel coat is essentially uv stable colored polyester resin. Poly resin with no reinforcing fibers is brittle. The thicker that gel is the more apt to develop stress cracks. Removing as much of the old gel as possible will allow you to get a good thickness of new gel down without worrying about it. Thats the way the logic has always played in my mind anyway..
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Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 2:39pm
And there's my good ol' buddy skinaut.
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Posted By: skinaut
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 2:57pm
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worried about you girl, talking to 'things', spending the nights in the garage, posting pictures of yourself on the internet. Dont make me come up there.... ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/images/3984/photo1.jpg" rel="nofollow - 86 Ski http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/chinewalker/boats/May820015.jpg" rel="nofollow - 70 Centurion |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 3:07pm
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ROFL...I removed the picture. I thought "Oh no, Lee will be on here and he will reprimand me"
When you're in a garage working on your boat all by yourself, you would be amazed how you start talking to yourself. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 3:10pm
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Michelle,
I'd like to add that re gelcoating is relatively new (within the last 10 years or so) and there are lots of people out there still not familiar with the process. However, it's no different than spraying a heavy viscosity two component paint. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: skinaut
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 3:28pm
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No reprimand, just careful. you could draw some stalkers. I know all about talking to yourself, remember I live alone, I have 2 boats, 2 bikes, an old car and a truck to work on.
They say talking to yourself could be a sign of mental illness............you know me ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/images/3984/photo1.jpg" rel="nofollow - 86 Ski http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/chinewalker/boats/May820015.jpg" rel="nofollow - 70 Centurion |
Posted By: skinaut
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 3:39pm
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I like the old original colors. It just adds to the antique feel of the boat. I know it takes some getting used too but it grows on you. Look at both of my hulls= harvest gold? and gray on the ski. I really like them now, and it makes the boat stand out as something special. And will even raise the value of the boat to a collector. But a reverse version of JB's boat would be cool too. I guess you just have to go with what you really want. If it's in the budget and you find someone that can do it right, gell is the way to go.$$$ ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/images/3984/photo1.jpg" rel="nofollow - 86 Ski http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/chinewalker/boats/May820015.jpg" rel="nofollow - 70 Centurion |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 3:52pm
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Hey Skinaut,
Cool old Centurion.. What's the scoop with her? V-drive.. Lets see some pics... Moj' ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: skinaut
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 4:05pm
yeah, sb chevy v-drive. I will start a new thread and post some picks of her when I got some more time. dont want to hijack sanitys thread ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/images/3984/photo1.jpg" rel="nofollow - 86 Ski http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/chinewalker/boats/May820015.jpg" rel="nofollow - 70 Centurion |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 4:14pm
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[QUOTE=skinaut] I like the old original colors. It just adds to the antique feel of the boat.
For as much as I love antiques and old "things", you would think that I would be set on keeping the original color. Yours is different. The colors (plural)look great on the boat. |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 4:16pm
| Go ahead, Lee. Post away. I would like to see it again myself. |
Posted By: skinaut
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 4:22pm
It was different alright, I think the white diamond interior just really set it off. It feels like your driving an old chevelle or 442 olds. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/images/3984/photo1.jpg" rel="nofollow - 86 Ski http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/chinewalker/boats/May820015.jpg" rel="nofollow - 70 Centurion |
Posted By: skinaut
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 4:32pm
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I need to start a few threads anyway, I owe Kevin some pics of the folding tongue job on the cc trailer. Just not enough time in a day. I will get around to it. Need to run for now, its in the upper 70's today so I will run errands on the hog.....in a tee-shirt..Ha! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/images/3984/photo1.jpg" rel="nofollow - 86 Ski http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/chinewalker/boats/May820015.jpg" rel="nofollow - 70 Centurion |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 4:39pm
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Rub it in Lee. The fatboy sits in the garage.
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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 4:42pm
How is that different? Shined up, I think the Yucatan Yellow would look awesome. 
 
*disclaimer: I am not 100% sure all boats pictured are Yucatan- though I think they are. Michelle, I admit that I probably wouldnt have ordered a boat in Yucatan- but I wouldnt have ordered Inca Gold either. I do love my red boat, but theres something very cool about these vintage boats in the unique vintage colors. I get a lot of comments on mine- once restored, Im sure you would too. You can count the number of Yucatan boats in the diaries on one hand- its rare! At least you know where I stand. ------------- |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 5:10pm
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I knew that from reading your posts. And I even agree.
"If" the boat were in better condition and all I had to do was strip the paint and buff it out, I "would" keep it yucatan and would "probably" get used to it. If I didn't, I would paint it down the road. That's not the case here. This is coming from someone who just saved an antique china cabinet from being bulldozed in a house. You should see it now. All it needed was a thorough cleaning, grime and wax buildup removal and a rewax with Johnson's. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 5:26pm
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Michelle,
Stick with a original color! I'm recommending this because of the many years I've been involved with antique and classic boats. You may not know it but your Mustang qualifies to be entered in a ACBS judged showing even though it is fiberglass!!! Tim' I've got a feeling all the boats you pictured are the Yucatan Yellow. Just differences in color reproduction on paper/film. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 5:30pm
I still think that the best course of action would be to strip the paint and buff it out- it might look better than you expect. A few spot repairs to the gel would be a lot easier than an entire repaint/regel anyways. Im assuming that youre tackling the structural work this winter as well- if I were you, Id get that squared away once youre done stripping the paint. Redo the interior in something neutral (white/cream). Get the boat solid and functional for next year, then decide how/if you want to approach the exterior cosmetics. Just my 2 cents! ------------- |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 5:31pm
As my Road King, battery-less, under blankets Ughh... Moj' ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 5:37pm
 ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 5:42pm
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Now here's a great color on an old boat..
http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4036&sort=&pagenum=11&yrstart=1971&yrend=1975 - Green Skier Like Stang's Mustang, rare and very cool. The old colors are great, if their restorable... Moj' ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 6:00pm
| That is a neat color. And that's original? |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 6:10pm
It's 72' Man, lots of great colors... http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=878&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1972&yrend=1972 - Stang's booger "Dave's not home Maan" lol.. Moj' ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 6:13pm
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I like the green
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 6:16pm
I didn't think you were old enough to remember that one!!!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 6:28pm
what can you tell me about this?
a friend gave this to me |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 6:29pm
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Uhh Maan, you scratch my record Maan..
Yeah shor do Pete, Up in smoke was some funny stuff.. I'm old Pete hahaha.. Moj' ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 6:56pm
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do you guy's work? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 6:58pm
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lol...that's a great question. I sit in front of 2 computers - pretty much as much as I want and or need to from 7:30 till 5. When you "watch a topic" it pops right up there.
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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 7:02pm
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its a temperature meter from when your engine heats up ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 7:03pm
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That's calling the kettle black there Mr 4900 posts Eric hahaha....Lighten up, it's Friday, it's about to snow, and it's almost Beer-Thirty. I run the joint, and don't feel like work'n. Any more questions???
Moj' PS: Have a great weekend hahaha ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 7:09pm
I don't even know how to reply 
yes, I do. Moj's beer thirty sounds good. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 7:21pm
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oops typo ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 7:29pm
LOL..nice. 60's, 70's boat? I don't know what he got it out of. He brought it to the docks and left it on the Carver for me. I guess he thought I could use it, but all of mine are there. Not saying they work, but I'll find that out later. |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 7:35pm
Michelle, The Mustangs didn't have a temp gauge like this one pictured. You have the smaller gauge cluster (which looks better anyway).. I don't remember any CC that did.. Yep, just turned beer thirty,, First one's on me.. Eric needs two, so he can chill out 
Moj' ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 7:42pm
| Have a great weekend, guys. |
Posted By: skinaut
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 9:10pm
Mojo that is a beautiful skier, what a neat 70's color ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/images/3984/photo1.jpg" rel="nofollow - 86 Ski http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/chinewalker/boats/May820015.jpg" rel="nofollow - 70 Centurion |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 10:06pm
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Eric,
How was that beer? Do you have a pic of your boat on here? |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: November-07-2008 at 11:01pm
I agree with Tim,get yourself one of these- http://www.hutchinsmfg.com/content/7544.html you can use it to see how your original gel cleans up and if you regel it will help also. Does anyone have a picture of that Orange Chevy powered Mustang at Green Lake? That boat would convince anyone to regel ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-08-2008 at 10:45am
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I get sea sick, so I stick to just working on them, lol
everytime i end up getting a boat I end up selling it, I really do get out alot on Lake Erie or the lake i live with many different people because i work on thier boats, they dont mind having me along in case something goes wrong. when my kids get a little older I'll buy another ski boat, maybe a Mastercraft or a Malibu or even a Tige....dont worry it would be a CC ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: skinaut
Date Posted: November-08-2008 at 12:54pm
Ok, new thread in general dis...1970 centurion ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/images/3984/photo1.jpg" rel="nofollow - 86 Ski http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/chinewalker/boats/May820015.jpg" rel="nofollow - 70 Centurion |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-08-2008 at 7:38pm
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OK, guys.I've been in the garage since 7am.
It's going to need a re-gel or paint job. Yes, might be learning how to gel coat. This will be interesting. I'll take a few pictures for Monday. I'm working on the exterior and "blink" - my better half to be -is working on glassing the new stringers in. He joined the site too and reads alot, but doesn't post yet. Yes, putting a teak platform on it too. Just bought one off of Chris that was parting out a nautique on here. All kinds of wonderful smells floating around in the garage for sure! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-08-2008 at 7:52pm
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Michelle,
Well now with the teak platform it blows all of my hopes that you were going to do a original restoration. Now you can even paint it purple!!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-09-2008 at 11:11am
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in his sentence he used a key word "paint" i can read between the lines
Ive been thinking about this, well thats if i can cause other voices keep popping in my head, but i think I have been into to many hulls with those fumes. I keep wondering why i keep getting all kinds glass work, its only because no one else wants to do it ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-09-2008 at 9:08pm
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awww, come on Pete. I put alot of hard thought into this (not to mention muscle). LOL.
Should I remove everything that the previous owners filled and fill or should I say re-repair with the epoxy? I don't know what they used. A few areas are filled white and most are filled with a salmon color. The stripper softened the salmon fill. Love purple, but not on a boat or car.
The fiberglass "looks" like fun, but from what I've been hearing looks aren't everything. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-09-2008 at 9:39pm
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The pink stuff is probably Bondo and the white may be Marine-tex. Both should come out and be refilled with a epoxy of known quality.
I missed a polyester fill done by a PO on one of my boats and several years later it popped! Had to do the whole hull side over!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-10-2008 at 1:36pm
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as always, thanks. I will make that my next purchase. All they had at the APS was a poly fill.
Grind it out with my Dremel and feather the edges, clean with MEK and then fill. Is that right? |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: November-10-2008 at 1:41pm
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Grinder with a flap disk and a steady hand would get that done in a few minutes, edges would already be feathered and better results than a dremel. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-10-2008 at 1:52pm
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a good way to see the cracks for you bifocal owners is to outline them with a sharpy pen, they are hard to see if you dont ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-10-2008 at 2:12pm
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Once ground out, coat with plain epoxy (with hardener) first. Then fill using a high strength filler mix like microballons/microfibers added to the epoxy. Try to keep this mix just below the finished surface - it's harder to sand. Then go over the area with a epoxy mixed with a microlight filler to fair the area - this is easy to sand. The filler part numbers and descriptions will vary depending on the brand of epoxy used. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-10-2008 at 2:47pm
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grind out and drill a hole at the end of the cracks to keep them from progressing in the future. dont be afraid to vee the passage out. you'll find out the sharpy pen works well. I use epoxy then Duraglas as a filler. It wouldnt hurt to layer a couple pieces of cloth on the inside to strengthen the stress crack areas so they wont pop again, but if the boat is repaired correctly they shouldnt return. glassing the inside is just extra insurance. I will vee the cracks the grind the entire area pretty deep over the cracks, then fill the cracks with epoxy and then coat with Duraglas ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-11-2008 at 6:53pm
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Michelle,
Who's epoxy did you end up with for both the gel patching and the stringer work? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: November-11-2008 at 7:06pm
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slow down...
I'm still deciding which product I want, as I will not be ready for another week or so. My supply friend told me to look into fibreglast.com and also West Sytems. have you dealt with either company? Any of their products? As far as the stringer work, my better half is a crew chief in the ANG and is using the same epoxy on the refuelers that will be used on the interior. I love the Captain Lee's stripper though. We purchased a can of the Aircraft stripper too and the Capt. Lee's worked much better and it is safe to use on fiberglass. Also, it doesn't smell half as bad! Chelle' |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-11-2008 at 7:20pm
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I use Fiberglass coatings, not that it matters, but im a shopper. 1-800-272-7890
good customer service, and if you request they will send you a catalog. just as a comparison not that you will use polyester, but a 5 gallon bucket is 107.12 they do handle very nice cloth, and epoxy resins...no price list on the epoxies Eric ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |