Gel Coat Prep
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Topic: Gel Coat Prep
Posted By: sanity
Subject: Gel Coat Prep
Date Posted: December-24-2008 at 11:00am
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Well here I sit on Christmas Eve day at work. Not because I "have" to be here, but I have to wait for FedEx to deliver my daughter's big Christmas gift.
Last night was boat night and Dave and I have a list of questions regarding the re-gel. 1. How long before "workable" time after re-gel? In between coats and how many coats are recommended? 2. Is there a window after gel is completed before sanding and polishing? 3.What kind of rubbing compound is recommended? 4. What grit of sandpaper begin and end? 5. For a 5 gal. can of gel, what amount and type of activators are recommended? Are there options? 6. Does anyone have an estimate on how many gallons of gel for the mustang? There is existing gel. I know, lots of questions. Although, this is the best place to ask. Merry Christmas Eve! Chelle' |
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Posted By: SkiBum
Date Posted: December-24-2008 at 6:27pm
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I may be able to help a little...for what it's worth, in my experience/opinion:
1. I used polyester gelcote (thinned with Styrene) from US Composites. My goal was 22 mils. I ended up applying about five coats. The first four coats I applied as much gel as possible before it would start to run. The last coat was a very thin application with surfacing wax to get as smooth as possible finish. 2. I don't know of a window of time after applying gel until sanding. It can be done as soon as it cures. I would give it over night. 3. For the initial buffing I used a 3M buffing compound I bought at NAPA. Can't remember what it was called. The final buffing I recommend using 3M Finesse it III. This stuff will give you a brilliant shine at about 4k RPM. 4. I made some mistakes on my project and I became impatient toward the end. In some cases where I had significant orange peel, I dove right in with 250 grit. BIG MISTAKE in retrospect. Use only wet. Start with 400. Use trace. Go to 600 and 800. Do not move onto 1000 until all the visible scratches are gone. Use 1000 and then 2000. I used some wet sanding foam pads for orbital sanders as a final sanding at 2000grit. 5. The polyester gelcote uses MEKP or similar initials for very dangerous chemical that makes gelcote cure. It was included with the gelcote. 6. I have tried to forget how much I spent on gelcote because it hurts when I remember. I am pretty sure you are going to need more than 5 gallons. It depends on how many coats, how much you thin, and how much is lost to overspray or sanding. You may want to talk to the smart guy at http://www.uscomposites.com - US Composites and he can help with estimates and other technical questions. They helped me out a great deal. Don't know if you looked already, but http://www.freewebs.com/billsboatworks - this site (journal of my 1987 SN rebuild) may help. Merry Christmas. ------------- Bill http://www.freewebs.com/billsboatworks - http://www.freewebs.com/billsboatworks www.freewebs.com/billsboatworks 1987 SN Rebuild Project |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: December-24-2008 at 7:19pm
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Thanks, Bill. That's very helpful information.
I'll check out your 87 rebuild. We did get our poly and epoxy from US Composites. I'll start comparing base gel prices and begin doing my extensive "gel" research. The MEKP is the same hardener that came with my poly resin. Ten drops to 1 oz.! Was your 87 down to fiberglass or did you gel over the existing? OK...I'll check out your rebuild and see for myself. Thanks again and the merriest of Christmas's to you! Chelle' |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-25-2008 at 12:28pm
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Im curious to what the average per gallon everyone pays for a gallon of Poly or epoxy? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: December-25-2008 at 1:45pm
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Eric,
I used the 700 Vinyl Ester Resin from US Composites. It was 43.00 for the gallon including hardener. I'll have to check with John regarding the epoxy, as he ordered that. Mabey he'll check out the site from Guam and will answer back. They recommended 7-1/2 oz. cloth. Merry Christmas Day! Presents are opened and the kids are "busy". Michelle |
Posted By: Waterdog
Date Posted: December-25-2008 at 2:26pm
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The epoxy I used to do some small floor repair work is $125 for a qt. kit
(Hysol EA 9394) hi temp avition grade - way over kill. I thought keep it for ever & I'd be burried in it. Funny how things change. ------------- - waterdog - http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3896&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - 78 Ski Tique |
Posted By: SkiBum
Date Posted: December-25-2008 at 5:10pm
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My boat was ground down to the glass. ------------- Bill http://www.freewebs.com/billsboatworks - http://www.freewebs.com/billsboatworks www.freewebs.com/billsboatworks 1987 SN Rebuild Project |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: December-25-2008 at 8:51pm
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Bill,
I looked at your site and I saw that. Great information on there. I'm not taking the mustang all the way down. The 5 gal. might just work for us? We're almost ready to gel. Few more weeks estimate. We want to flip the stang upside down. And I am sure that will be interesting. I'm either going to have to drink a few beers first or not be there during the flip over. 
Thanks for all of the info. Was that the first time you've ever used gel coat? What did you like/dislike about using it? As for matching the yuckytan yellow. Originally, I was going to cut a small piece and send to minicraft. I talked to them in detail and asked them how they matched it. They basically use the same procedure as automotive and/or Sherwin Williams. That said, Dave's buddy is coming over with his specialty camera to take a picture. He's going to match the gel in automotive paint and paint a piece for us to send to where we purchase the gel. It surprised me to learn that this camera even picks up "gloss". I'm anxious to see what his paint match looks like. |
Posted By: blink
Date Posted: December-26-2008 at 9:28am
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Hi sanity ,it's me in guam and I believe the price was about 109 dollars for a 2 gallon kit 3 to 1 medium epoxy hardner miss you be home in 5 days blink ------------- BTW looks like I lost my 82-2001 to sanity |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-26-2008 at 9:37am
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FYI, with polyester, you can buy locally under the brand name Bondo by the gallon at your local parts store, retail its 36.00 per gallon, and its very high quality....and you know me (Gentiles dont pay retail) so i have it down to 26.95 a gallon because autobone price matches. I was buying out of Florida but the 5 gallon pale was 105.00 to ship ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: December-26-2008 at 11:55am
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Eric,
It's important to me to stick with the same products that the hull was originally manufactured with to begin with. Just me. That said, I've re-lined areas in the hull and the dogbox using the poly and it will be covered with a layer of epoxy for additional reinforcement. At least I'll know it's there. 
There were repairs made on the hull by the previous owner using bondo. These areas cracked around the repairs. Maybe he didn't prep before filling? Maybe he didn't mix correctly? I don't know. I don't want that to happen down the road, so we removed the bondo, prepped and reinforced it and repaired differently. Chelle' |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-26-2008 at 12:51pm
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BRAND name, Bondo again its a Brand name, or in these terms Gucci, not a purse but a brand name
lol ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-26-2008 at 12:59pm
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BTW, 3M owns the Bondo corporation which manufacturers the Polyester resin, and compared to other poly's i find it easier to work with and its more consistant than the products Ive used in the past....and I use alot of it ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: December-26-2008 at 1:16pm
Moj, Tim, Pete...will you hold my purse while I slap Eric around a little bit? 
I will agree to disagree regarding the poly I am using and the reasons I decided to use it. |
eric lavine wrote:Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-26-2008 at 1:41pm
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shouldve put down the epoxy first, it bonds better, then the poly on top.....
dont sick the wolfpack on me lol just trying to pass some useful info ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-26-2008 at 3:12pm
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San, im not shooting from the hip here, I find out of probably 10 different brands of poly the Bondo brand appears to be the best, I havnt had an air bubble in it yet which is good and that comes from mixing many many gallons of the stuff,
also the camera is called a color eye and they are about 1800.00 ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: December-26-2008 at 6:46pm
I think you do that on your own
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Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: December-26-2008 at 11:23pm
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Bill,
What did you like/dislike about the gel? Did you notice a huge difference finish-wise where you brushed the gel on versus sprayed? Michelle |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-27-2008 at 11:15am
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I can handle the wolfpack just fine ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: December-27-2008 at 5:23pm
This is almost good enough to print and hang on the wall!  ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: SkiBum
Date Posted: December-27-2008 at 6:42pm
I only recommend brushing the gelcote on places like reverse chines and other sharp angles and edges. By first brushing on a fairly thick application it ensures that when you spray over it later, that there will be good buildup. Brushing leaves brush marks. When you spray over it, the marks are still there and their friend, orange peel, is with them. As far as likes and dislikes... Likes: o fairly easy application o easy to fix mistakes Dislikes: o takes many applications to build proper thickness o stopping to clean the sprayer every time you need to spray on more gel ------------- Bill http://www.freewebs.com/billsboatworks - http://www.freewebs.com/billsboatworks www.freewebs.com/billsboatworks 1987 SN Rebuild Project |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: December-28-2008 at 8:40pm
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Sanity,
Guess Im just catching up on your project. I didnt realize your Mustang was originally Yucatan Yellow...you lucky dog, you!! I have a 66 "cuda SS that I want to do in the same color, with a white deck.. A lot of guys thought I was off my rocker when I first talked of this combo. I think its one of those colors thats ugly ,but its "60's" cool! This pic in the liturature has always flipped me out... 
Ive been searching a long time for the original formula. Let me know how your sample turns out! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: December-29-2008 at 11:21am
Steve, Originally I did not want the "yuckytan yellow". I've been told it would grow on me and I didn't believe that either. It sure did and it's staying "yuckytan". Amazes me when I look back at the pictures from when we were just "looking" at the boat. It's come a long way. 
I'll keep you updated on the special secret "yuckytan" mixture. Can you still get the original rub rail? Chelle' |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: December-29-2008 at 11:35am
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Michelle,
I think http://tacomarine.com/cat--Aluminum-Rub-Rail--cat2_aluminum_rr.html - Taco Metals has a rail thats pretty close to the original size. The page I linked to is their aluminimn selection...They also have Stainless rail. The boat is looking good!  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: December-29-2008 at 11:43am
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Thanks for the link, Steve. I will check it out. I do have the original. I'll strip some of the red paint off of it and see what it looks like. I don't know if it will shine up or not. It looks pretty knicked up. Might be more beneficial and look much nicer to get new.
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Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: December-29-2008 at 12:04pm
Before you buy new, you might want to try and repair yours. The rail on my 64 was pretty beat up also. Lots of scratches and a couple of deep gouges. I wet sanded it with 400 grit, then used a metal polish to buff it out. A VERY dirty job, but the results were well worth it! I sanded the gouges out..there is still a small "divot" area where they were...but nobody ever notices them. Hard to see in this pic...but it shines like new.  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: December-29-2008 at 12:52pm
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It would be great if I take the red paint off and am able to shine it up like that. What kind of polish did you use?
I'm going to have alot of polishing to do. 
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Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: December-29-2008 at 2:18pm
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I use http://www.eagleone.com/pages/products/product.asp?itemid=1006&cat=5006 - Nevr-Dull wadding polish. I also dampen that with a little crome/metal polish, like Turtle Waxs, to keep it moist.
Great thing about aluminimn is its pretty easy to polish... Be warned tho.. good idea to wear gloves it will make your hands black. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: December-29-2008 at 2:46pm
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West Marine has the Taco rub rail in 6' lengths. rubrails.com has it in 12' lengths at a much better price, but $150 for shipping makes it very expensive. ------------- |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-29-2008 at 3:10pm
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Unbelievable, Reggie Fountain bought out Baja boats and is pulling out the composites and going back to wood, he builds some wave slammers...if anybody understands boat structure this guy does,
i was told this by a race boat friend, I need to find the article on his reasonings...i really dont think the reason is to build them cheaper ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: December-29-2008 at 4:32pm
I noticed that AutoZone and Advanced carries it. I'm going out tonight to pick some up. Thanks. Yours look great. If it doesn't end up looking decent I'll move on to plan "B". Thanks, guys. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-29-2008 at 6:24pm
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Hey Sanity, did you know that they also carry Bondo, polyester resin? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: December-30-2008 at 12:39am
I priced Taco rub rail for our Mustangs last summer.I went to Boaters World and it was about $63.00 for the 12'. They were unable to get the 6' lenghts. I also went to West Marine,they could not find it in their books and were going to call me back,and never did. The model you need is A11-0152,it's 1" high and 7/16" wide.Here is the original Reid quote-- "As for the rub rail, try this site and page. http://www.tacomarine.com/cat--Aluminum-Rub-Rail--cat2_aluminum_rr.html This is the exact replacement if you're looking for the anodized alum. The model you want is A11-0152. You can buy this thru West Marine, but you'll need to give them this part number as I don't think you'll find it in their catalog. It comes in 12' and 6' strips, and I think I normally used 3-12s and a 6, with about 3 feet left over". This was in reference for a 71 Skier.I measured my Mustang, and needed 39' ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: December-30-2008 at 11:32am
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Michelle,
Just another thought...I always start on the transom when I "experiment" with anything if possible. It's usually the smallest area and it doesnt "show" as much as a side. Also, if you want a really smooth look, after wet sanding with the 400, you might try some 600 wet before buffing. Again dont be afraid to try a few different options to see what works best for you. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: December-30-2008 at 11:57am
Good Morning! I appreciate all of the information you are giving. Especially since you have already had the experience of using the products and completing the tasks.
I'm getting excited and anxious now. Don will hopefully be matching and giving us the sample to send for gelcoat by the end of the week. Still alot to do before the gel coat goes on, but I'm gearing up for this! Heck, I was excited when Dave buffed a few areas on the boat. WOW! I'm going to work on that rub rail I have at home and see if it'll work. You guys are the greatest because now I know exactly where to get it and even the product number if mine is not salvagable. I'm getting antsy, guys! And I still have a few more weeks to go, as I've got to wait for the "match" and the gel to arrive after it's ordered. Boat needs flipped....getting closer
Chelle' |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: December-30-2008 at 12:56pm
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Michelle,
The rail would have to be pretty beatup not to be able to save it. My money is ...your going to have black hands and beautiful rubrail!
btw, cant wait to see how the "yuky gel" turns out! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: December-30-2008 at 1:07pm
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[QUOTE=62 wood] Michelle, The rail would have to be pretty beatup not to be able to save it.
QUOTE] That's positive thinking and I hope that's the case. After losing my "fingerprints" temporarily I will make use of gloves. I had the shop order extra small for me and they fit nice and tight. I have a hard time working with gloves. Now, they are the first thing I put on when I walk in the garage. Yeah....I'm REALLY excited. Once the color is matched, I'll take a picture of it sitting on the mustang and post it. Hey, I haven't heard from Pete or Tim. Either I'm doing OK or they are thoroughly disgusted with the route I'm taking. LOL
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Posted By: 75 stang
Date Posted: December-30-2008 at 1:33pm
No one enjoys wearing the glove, but it is the only protection you have against the itching and burning in this case... ------------- Take your work seriously, not yourself. http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q70/Bigblockbandit/Lake%20and%20boats/ - Boat Pics |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: December-30-2008 at 1:37pm
somehow...I knew I would receive a response like that. LOL.... My bad for not editing when I had the chance. LOL
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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-30-2008 at 1:54pm
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Im laughing with the glove thing, I coated a board about an hour ago and was trying to hand it up to my guy and he's telling me to wait so he could get his gloves on, like wearing socks to bed... I did it on purpose so he would get resin on his hands....he's the one that broke the clip on my throttle body and left me stranded on the freeway last week....I figure he has 6 more months of payback...
maybe I'll sprinkle some fiberglass on his work uniforms ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: December-30-2008 at 2:41pm
Pete is up north where he doesn't have an internet connnection. Perhpas he'll stop at the library to check on CCFan soon. ------------- |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: December-30-2008 at 3:06pm
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Michelle, looks like youve got a decent plan. Just to clarify, are you going to spray gel over the entire thing, or just doing spot repair?
Eric, the only experience I have with poly is doing misc projects with Bondo body filler. I assume they also make something that doesnt have the thickener already added? ------------- |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: December-30-2008 at 3:40pm
I'm going for the entire thing.
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Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: December-30-2008 at 4:17pm
Bill, FYI, I copied and pasted your gel info off of your site and put it in my boat binder. That way it will be on hand when I start. I also printed out this thread and I have all of the gel and rub rail info. Yeah, I deleted a few things from the thread. GREAT REFERENCE! Michelle
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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-30-2008 at 6:07pm
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tim, its marketed under the Bondo name by 3M, its not a filler or what people would call bondo, Its Polyester resin with hardener, the ingredient list on the can is proprietary. I brought it up earlier because the poly resin I by out of Fla is 30.00 per gallon and 108.00 to ship the 5 gallon pale, And apples to apples the Bondo polyester resin is far superior to any of the ones I've used in the past....most of the times its impossible to get the air bubbles out....this stuff doesnt get bubbles.
Maybe i came across as being a smart ass, Im on my 16th gallon this month.....it adds up ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: December-30-2008 at 6:34pm
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YAY! I just found out that the picture man is coming tomorrow!
Steve, the yuckytan is in sight. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-31-2008 at 10:02am
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word for word, when Reggie fountain builds boats he wants less suger and more spice, he removed Baja's inner liners and installed his time proven wood grid of stringers glassed directly to the hull making it more resistant cracking or worse failure.
Still not satisfied, Reggie substituted the polyester resin used for boats fiberglass construction with vinylester, a stronger and more flexible choice than traditional resins. hull construction was switched from balsa core to high density foam sandwiched between the glass. Just some helpful info for stringer jobs, it is essential to use epoxy where needed though, I used some to laminate wood to a transom and as for glassing the exterior i switched to polyester, dont be concerned much about the balsa and foam though, this is a different process on the bare hull. with balsa core they are 4 inch by 4 inch sqaures with the grain perpindicular to the hull..they must cut them from a long 4x4 to usually 1/2" thick and laminate them to the inside glass on the flats and then glass over them.....very light and very strong ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: December-31-2008 at 11:02am
Good Move, I rebuilt a 71 mastercraft many years ago and it was balsa core. There was a leak at the prop shaft thru hull and an area from the transom to about 2 feet forward of the stuffing box rotted and delaminated. That went beyond the standard stringer job because after removing the inter fiberglass layer and scraping out all the blocks you basically had an 1/8" thick hull left, talk about a saggy bottom! As hard as I tried I never got that bottom back correctly and the boat always needed trim tabs. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: December-31-2008 at 11:39am
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Sanity,
I'm with 62wood on refinishing the aluminum trim. Most on the site know that I'm a little off my rocker when it comes to shining things up. Here are a few of my projects, the trailer trim pieces were painted red when I got them. Over 40 feet of trim had to be striped and buffed. Very similar to your rubrail just not as large. I'm currently working on some risers that came to me painted ford blue, they were a mess and I'm almost ready to finish polish them. For tools I use an assortment of sanding disks from 80 up to 320 to remove paint. Then move on to the 3M pads pictured( I got those from 62wood and they work fantastic). Then on to polishing, I use either a #5 or 6 polish with a bench top buffing wheel. A regular bench grinder with a buffing wheel will work also. I have also used a 4.5" handheld grinder and polishing disk with good results. I've found the key to good polishing is pressure and heat. Lots of it. You will be amazed at what you can bring back to better than original condition. These started out Blue and are alomst ready for final polishing. 
Over 40' of trim. 
Ended up Here. 
And my arsenal  ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: December-31-2008 at 12:07pm
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Alan,
WOW! Beautiful! OK, I am impressed and convinced. We'll see what I can do.
Thank you! Chelle' |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-31-2008 at 12:53pm
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Alan, just finishing one up, (balsa core) 2x3 rotted spot under the tank...normally I would pass on something like this but the rot stayed contained I know alot of the Balsa is wet on this boat and put a commercial de-humidifier in it for 2 weeks and probably pulled 20 gallons of water its a 2000 go fast. I went in with birch ply and laminated to the thin area and glassed over that. if she snaps it wont be there ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-31-2008 at 12:57pm
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San, I know i clog up your threads but, how else is everyone going to learn, as i said i read every word....and cant claim that i didnt learn something.....sometimes if you go at these projects as a first timer it turns you into a second timer.....you dont know how many boats I've pulled treated wood out of ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: January-05-2009 at 1:00pm
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Rub rail stripped and sanded. You were right once again... salvagable it is. Need to shine up yet, but it looks great.
I know...pictures! I'll get some in soon. OK...have a few rear "seat" questions. The original fiberglass frame with torn unrepairable cushion is there. It was not attached to the boat when purchased. Can someone explain to me how it is attached? There are snaps on the top of the seat, so I can assume there was a cover on the boat at some point. There were no front seats. I printed out the seat construction from the site a while ago. In the meantime... getting ready for the big boat "flip" and I'm a little nervous. But I'm sure everything will be ok... Thanks! Chelle' |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: January-05-2009 at 1:31pm
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I will not second the praise for bondo poly, I used a ton of it repairing sail boats at the summer camp. Bottom repairs without gel cote mind you these were not pretty boats. Bondo poly lasts three seasons at best then gets soft and cracks under those rough conditions. Everything else I used lasted longer, evercoat poly twice as long, and the vynlester and epoxy repairs are still there a dozen years later. That's not to say there aren't good places for the bondo especially if sealed but I sure would leave it bare where it will see water again, grinding it all off to start over really sucked. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: January-05-2009 at 1:39pm
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Sanity,
My 64's front and rear seats did have snaps at the top originally. I (and dont tell Pete) used velcro  to replace them when I had the new interior done. I know its not original..it was just a temporary fix,that ended up working very well.
Heres a pic .. 
How you planning to flip the boat? We just got done flipping my Higgins back sunny-side-up before Thanksgiving. BTW, glad to hear about thye rub rail...figured it shouldnt be too bad... ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: January-05-2009 at 1:57pm
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Hey Steve,
Beautiful boat! Is the rear seat attached to the hull top and bottom? Is there a wood strip anywhere to hold it secure? Yes, the rub rail surprised me. I have a polishing kit for my Dremel and I know it's small, but I want to try it out this week. I stripped the red paint off of everything else too and it's all ready to shine. As far as the flipover.
It started out with the guys having great ideas for constructing mechanical devices, using engine stands, rotissere (sp)...then the conversation turned pretty quickly in a 360 direction. We're pulling the trailer into the yard, getting the biggest guys we know and flipping it as I run around (frantically I'm sure)putting foam under it. Once flipped, I'll set up the foam in the garage - and the guys can carry the mustang in. It is heavy, but I'm surprised by how light it is too. If that makes sense. I can pick a corner up by myself. I think 6-8 guys will be able to handle this. What do you think?
Michelle |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-05-2009 at 2:03pm
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Michelle,
Yes, I've been up north and offline for a couple of weeks and looks like I've got some catching up to do!! Reading though the thread it looks like you have gotten most of your questions answered. All I can add is always follow the manufacturers directions for the gel coat. Each can be slighly different as far as hardener and thinner for reduction. Each may have some recommendations as to the proper fluid tip and air cap for the spray gun/type you will be using. If not, get a reduced viscosity from them and then call the gun manufacturer. Who did you end up with for the gel? Mini-craft? 5 gals. seems like alot but yet there can be waste so 4 may not do it! (5 gal. may be a decent price break compared to 4)You end up with lots of caoats to get the dry film build and do sand quite alot to get rid of the orange peel. Measure the sq. feet and run it past the manufacturer (also the mil build). BTW, I'm for new rub rail. The new will be anodized and trying to clean up the old just isn't worth it. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: January-05-2009 at 2:16pm
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Michelle,
We used two cherry pickers to flip my Higgins. I went to a furniture store and "borrowed" three old mattresses to lay on the ground. 6 to 8 guys can probably do the job as well. heres a pic of the boat just before turning it.... 
as for new rub rail...its always nice, but my pockets arent as deep as Petes... I have more time than money... I've only got a few hours in mine, altho they could use more, it looks 100% better than when I got it.------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: January-05-2009 at 2:25pm
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Hey Pete...I missed you until I read that last statement. Just kidding. I'm trying to keep it as original as possible except for the platform that will installed. And what I have will work for now, as the money will be spent on other Mustang needed items. And to think that in the back of my mind I was thinking "Pete will be pleased!"
Still researching where I will end up getting the gel. Rumor has it that there is a place in McKees Rocks (approx 30 minutes away) that carries gel coat. Haven't found out the name yet. We used to purchase from a company called National Polymers so, I am going to try them after lunch. "If" I can't get the info, it leans towards US Composites or Minicraft. The bottom of the Mustang is all that's left to strip and repair if needed. The flip-over is being organized. Once it's flipped I will feel sooo much better. |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: January-05-2009 at 2:32pm
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BTW, Pete. Welcome back. You "were" missed.
Steve, If you only knew how nervous I am about this. Mattresses are a great idea! I don't believe I have any contacts to be able to beg, borrow or steal even used ones though. Old tires covered with blankets crossed my mind to lean and roll the boat on while turning over. I'm a little more concerned about flipping back when we're done gel coating. One scratch and I know I'm going to cry.
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Posted By: h20loo
Date Posted: January-05-2009 at 3:54pm
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Sanity- mattresses are a terific idea. I will try the local thrift store or Mattress Store when I'm ready.
It beats my idea of rolling it in a snowdriftLOL. I would suggest you take lots of pictures when you flip it. Much easier on your back to be the photographer rather than the grunt! Did you get the "color photos to order the gel? ------------- 70 Mustang project |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: January-05-2009 at 4:45pm
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Hi Doug,
I agree, the mattress idea is a good one. I learn something everyday on this site! I think maybe Don has had too much Christmas and New Year cheer. Haven't seen him or his camera yet. I'm sure he'll be over soon. Can't push too hard when it's a free favor. Just scheduled the flip for this coming weekend. I'll call and let him know because I'm sure he'll want to be here before the buffed area is on the bottom. LOL. I have to chuckle because the walls in my garage are yuckytan yellow. I could send in a piece of drywall. Tonight, I will cover all of the instruments with plastic and tape. And I've been thinking...I might go out back in the warehouse and see if I can locate a couple of wheels with brakes. I bet it would be easy to construct a movable platform to set the boat on. I don't have much time... |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: January-05-2009 at 11:37pm
Thanks for the compliment on the boat... As for the seats, The bases of the seats are one piece fiberglass...kinda in the shape of an old Dairy Queen bench. The seat bottoms were glued to the bases. The seat backs have 1/4" plywood backers behind the foam that extend down about 3" below what you can see of the upholstry. This extension tucks behind the bottom cushion and holds the bottom of the back in place. There is a "flap" at the top of the backs, that originally would have the snaps, but now hide the velcro. This holds the top portion of the cushions in place, but still are easily removed to gain access to the gas tank area. Hope this makes sense? As for polishing the rail, you might start with the wadding and chrome polish by hand and use an old white sock to buff it out. You may be surprised at these results. Power buffing is definately quicker, but also can be messier. Plus you might need a larger pad than most dremels would have. Make sure the rail is away from anything else when buffing it .. the black slurry from this process isnt fun to get off of most items...plus power buffing can sling it all over. btw, what did you send in for the gelcoat color match? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: January-05-2009 at 11:53pm
I understand your concern.... I had spent over three months of time ...just stripping the hull down to bare wood. Add to that the time to apply the filler/stain and 9 coats of varnish. I can tell you I was more than a little nervous. Make sure you take your time and have plenty of strong backs to lift and eyes to watch whats going on from all sides. As for the mattresses,Check with any of the area furniture stores.... most of the old one get tossed in the dumpster around here... heck, they told me to not even bring them back if I wanted to keep them. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: January-06-2009 at 11:51am
It's beginning to make sense. The cushions, I'm assuming were redone. There is not a flap that joins to the snaps. They are glued to the base, as well as the back. I haven't torn it apart yet. I pulled it out and tried to figure out how it was installed in the boat. The upholstry (believe it or not) is tan that has been painted - yes, painted black. On the top back of the seat there is a trace of wood approx 2", where it looks glued on. It looks like it was pulled off of "something" and a bit of wood came with it.There is black carpet still attached to the bottom of the seat. Disect time!
As for the color match, not yet. I have a call in to Don, the guy that is bringing his fancy camera and told him our plans to flip the boat this weekend. Too much holiday cheer? We still have to strip the bottom and I'm sure there will be a few minor repairs. I'm excited and anxious about too many things. I feel like everything from here on in will be something that "stays" and it's uphill now! I have been just about every color since I started the boat - red, white, black, clear... I finished the rails up with 240 wet, used the wadding and the turtle wax that you recommended. I must be anal because I still want to buff them more.
Lastnight, I did a little more glassing on the stringers. Just a few areas that were tugging at me. See, anal. And I do enjoy doing fiberglass work. Everyone else thinks it's horrible. Maybe I like the tedius things. I believe I have the mattresses covered. I put the word out yesterday. Everything is coming together. Michelle |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-06-2009 at 12:02pm
Michelle, Don't get too carried away! Remember the original would have simply a "mill" finish which is sort of a "brushed" finish and certainly not a mirrored/chrome. Just need to keep you on the "original" track here! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: January-06-2009 at 12:15pm
Good Morning, Pete! Speaking of chrome, is there anywhere recommended that I can send ex. dogbox handle to have rechromed? Chelle' |
Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: January-06-2009 at 12:50pm
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Michelle,
you might try going to some 400 grit paper before buffing.(if you still want it "shinyer" work from the 400 to 600) You can power-buff those things and get a mirror finish, but they will tend to be a pain to keep up. Like Pete says, "brushed" is good. as for chrome..look in your local yellow pages. I have a place in our town that is pretty reasonable if you cant find anyone. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1117&sort=&pagenum=6" rel="nofollow - 64 American Skier 62 Classic.. 73 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-06-2009 at 1:31pm
Michelle, I havent priced out rechroming- but its my understanding that its very expensive. Ive found that *most* of the hardware on these boats (both old and new) is generic and can be found online or at West Marine. Bow lights, cleats, handles, hinges, gas fills, etc. can all be found for relatively cheap. http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/producte/10001/-1/10001/240040/377%20710%201052/712//Primary%20Search/mode%20matchallpartial/0/0?N=377%20710%201052&Ne=712&Ntt=&Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&page=CategoryDisplayLevel1&Nr=ANDRecord%20Type:PRODUCT,Store:WESTMARINE&isLTokenURL=true&storeNum=5000&subdeptNum=24&classNum=354 - This one looks close- compare it to what youve got and see if you can match them up.  ------------- |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: January-06-2009 at 7:46pm
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Yes, that does look like it. And I found and called a Paul's Chrome Plating in Evans City, PA which is not too far at all from me. He gave me a rough estimate of 65.00 for the handle alone. Yep, generic might just work. Thanks, Tim.
If anyone does need a contact and is shopping around to have something re-chromed the number for Paul's is 724.538.3367. He also said it would be more cost effective to buy new. They do alot of "show chrome". They have a web site too. Chelle' |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: January-09-2009 at 4:40pm
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Mattresses lined up. Men lined up. Boat flip scheduled for 11 tomorrow.
Beer in cooler, pulled pork all ready for lunch. 6" of snow coming beginning tonight 
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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-09-2009 at 7:49pm
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Sanity, if i only knew how to quote..... ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-09-2009 at 7:57pm
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She's really been serving some good ones up, but I'm not sure she's ready for it yet. ------------- |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-09-2009 at 8:07pm
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Hollywood, what would you do with the pulled pork comment, sanity keep in mind that we are men and the statistics say we think about it every 30 seconds....its rough being a man ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-09-2009 at 8:12pm
This is what I would do with it. Keep in mind I never add text, simply delete or replace with asterisks.
Is she crying because it is only 6"??? ------------- |
Posted By: WakeSlayer
Date Posted: January-09-2009 at 8:27pm
Talk about teeing it up for everyone. And your husband is in Guam? Booked on the next flight back, I bet. ------------- Mike N 1968 Mustang |
Posted By: h20loo
Date Posted: January-09-2009 at 9:53pm
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Pulled pork with a good bark on it from a smoker? Beer and pulled pork sammies- it doesn't get much better than that. ------------- 70 Mustang project |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: January-10-2009 at 6:37pm
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One boat flipped and no casualties! The mattress worked great. The boat is flipped over on a padded platform we made and it has wheels on it. I'll post pictures on Monday. Could have done without the snow.
Eric, Hollywood, Wakeslayer...no, your comments don't bother me. They are actually humorous. But keep in mind that those who post on public sites like that are the one's lacking in that department. In one way or another. And we ALL know who you are now!
h20loo (Doug) I wish I had a smoker, but I don't. I slow cooked a fresh ham all night. I cut slits through the skin and put garlic in it, then poured white wine and crumbled basil leaves over. I pulled it this morning and put it in a crockpot with bbq. It was delicious. BTW....Blink is home from Guam. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-10-2009 at 7:51pm
I love it!!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-10-2009 at 11:30pm
I thought since she's a girl it was "hands off" on her posts. But I gotta agree HW...she's been serving them up. john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: WakeSlayer
Date Posted: January-11-2009 at 4:08am
Good to hear that Blink is home. Sanity, you sound like you know your way around good food in addition to your boat. That is awesome. My wife is a goddess in the cuisine arena. She just leaves the boat stuff to me cause I love it. Believe me, no lacking in any department in this home, on either side of the boatshop. M ------------- Mike N 1968 Mustang |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-11-2009 at 12:04pm
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we have to keep the entertainment value up on the site, that was a hard one to pass up on, I think she's a trooper and can handle it....she jabbed back....all in fun ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: January-11-2009 at 1:07pm
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Eric, All in fun...yes, I'm a trooper.
Although I think I may have offended Hollywood.
Wakeslayer, I love to cook and bake. Blink is a wonderful cook too. He has quite a few specialties. One of my favories is his salmon with orange sauce. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-11-2009 at 1:48pm
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That was the "the Holy Grail" of topics ever posted. HW is a big boy we know he can handle it...its my sensitive feelings.
something you didnt know, It was Pittsburgh culinary or Ohio Diesel tech you can guess which way i went....but if I had the same choice today....I would be a flaming chef lol ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: January-11-2009 at 2:10pm
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That's the great thing about Blink. He's an AP mechanic, a crew chief in tha AF and a wonderful cook. There's still hope for you Eric.
I hear the Pgh Culinary is giving huge cuts right now for enrollment due to the economy. And CCAC has free enrollment in several courses, most health related, for those in our area that have been laid off. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-11-2009 at 2:22pm
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I go stir crazy on winter days, so cooking all day helps, I'll make 5 gallons of chicken soup and give it to all of my neighbors, or clam chowder...you guy's get alot of snow too?
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Posted By: h20loo
Date Posted: January-11-2009 at 3:15pm
No pictures- DIDN'T Happen!!! Sanity- mentioning pulled pork inspired me... 
Finished at 12:30 this morning. My wife is making creamy coleslaw while I consider an afternoon nap! ------------- 70 Mustang project |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-11-2009 at 3:25pm
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are you inviting us over?
that looks like a good Sunday meal... in the summer I'll take a shoulder, wrap it in bacon and slow cook it on the grill, were half way there!!!!!I can smell spring!!!!! ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: January-11-2009 at 4:28pm
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I'm not cooking today! Leaving to watch the Steeler Game. Buffalo shrimp and wings!
h20loo...that looks great! Eric, good job on making the soup and sharing! Have a great evening guys...till tomorrow! Go Steelers! Michelle |
Posted By: WakeSlayer
Date Posted: January-11-2009 at 8:44pm
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We have been on an Asian food kick since we were in SE Asia a year ago. Predominantly, Thai, but some Cambodian and Chinese too. Not the weird stuff though. We make our own Thai curries and such from scratch.
I am the homemade spag and meatball master. I make 2.5 gallon batches 3-4 time a winter. Start and 6am and take it off the stove at midnight to cool overnight. Damn. I am hungry. M ------------- Mike N 1968 Mustang |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-12-2009 at 12:57pm
Damn it, I must be really lacking then! ------------- |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: January-12-2009 at 1:27pm
Maybe you shoud change your name to "Hardlywood"! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: January-12-2009 at 2:00pm
Chris, That one really made me LMAO!!! ------------- - Gun control means: using BOTH hands! - Money doesn't make one happy, but when it rains cats and dogs, it's still better to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle... |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: January-12-2009 at 4:20pm
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HW, Quinner...you both win for lmao of the day!
Onto boat flipping....
Ran home at lunch and grabbed the camera. 
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Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: January-12-2009 at 4:22pm
and more
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Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: January-12-2009 at 4:24pm
and more
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Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: January-12-2009 at 4:26pm
back in the garage....
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Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: January-12-2009 at 4:29pm
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Great job. The boat looks amazing. It's hard to believe it used to be red. ------------- |
Posted By: critter
Date Posted: January-12-2009 at 4:37pm
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What is all that white stuff ??
With all the gloves and coats, looks to be cold too. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique 1966 Barracuda |
Posted By: sanity
Date Posted: January-12-2009 at 4:42pm
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Bruce,
It's getting there. There's still a little bit of red where the trailer covered the hull. It'll be gone. But yes, you're right. Very hard to believe. The green is going to be a bear to remove. It's a flecked paint and has that grey primer that I love so much underneath. No major repairs though. I'm pleased. Chelle' |