Velvet Drive...Not so Velvety...
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Topic: Velvet Drive...Not so Velvety...
Posted By: MI-nick
Subject: Velvet Drive...Not so Velvety...
Date Posted: January-12-2009 at 3:59pm
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Hello All. Finally I have taken the time to register on this fantastic site. I have been reading the posts for years and have learned alot...even bought a boat listed on the site.
I currently own 2 Correct Crafts. a '93 Ski Nautique and an '88 2001. The question I have today is one I could not find any information on using the search function. The question relates to the Velvet drive in the '88 2001 (~650 hours on the boat). When shifting from neutral to forward, forward does not engage until the past the detent. When shifting from neutral to reverse, reverse engages before the detent. I tried disconnecting the shifter cable and shifting directly at the transmission and got the same result. It seems as if the points where foreward and reverse do engage are offset about 10 degrees foreward from where they should engage?? does that make sense?? I noticed this problem near the end of last season and didn't think much of it as the only issue is sometimes a hard shift (clunk) into reverse if I don't move the lever very delicately. Anyway, I'm posting this now because I had nothing better to think about on my long drive last weekend and I really want to know what's wrong and fix it. Does anyone know what could be the problem?? thanks for your help. here are the prerequisite photos of boat, girl, and girl & boat. 
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Posted By: nates78ski
Date Posted: January-12-2009 at 4:43pm
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Welcome! & yeah... you must have been lurking for a while... 1st post & you already know to post pictures of your boats & girls.
Only problem is that they aren't showing up... Nate ------------- Nathan http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1463&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - My '78 Ski Nautique <a href="http://photobucket.com/Nates78ski" rel="nofoll |
Posted By: 86BFN
Date Posted: January-12-2009 at 4:50pm
Welcome to the site Nick. Eric should chime in soon to give you a tranny assessment. In the mean time, see if you can get those pictures up. 
cause ya know we love pictures! 
there's a couple of other fellow on here up in your neck of the woods too. ------------- 👣 Steve http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4057&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1986&yrend=1986" rel="nofollow - 86 Barefoot Nautique 89 Martinique Former Owner: 93 Hydrodyne 350 MAG |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: January-12-2009 at 5:14pm
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i think the photos are up now...can you guys see them?? ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: January-12-2009 at 5:16pm
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Welcome MI-nick! I just fixed your photos. FYI - The system doesn't like brackets '(' or ')' in file names. It takes them out in the link. I simply renamed your files on the server.
You're all set. I encourage you to also add yourself to the /diaries/form.html - Diaries -Keith ------------- Former: /diaries/details.asp?ID=6170" rel="nofollow - 97 Sport Nautique 1994 Ski Nautique 86 Silver Nautique 79 Mustang |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: January-12-2009 at 5:19pm
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You're catching on fast. Welcome. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: January-12-2009 at 5:50pm
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thanks keith. you probably don't remember, but last spring i emailed you regarding the '88 2001 shown above. the boat was listed here and i was having trouble contacting the seller by email. i emailed you and you gave me the guys phone number. anyway, i ended up buying the boat so thanks alot!! ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: nates78ski
Date Posted: January-12-2009 at 6:26pm
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Nick, Well done on all counts!
Nate ------------- Nathan http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1463&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - My '78 Ski Nautique <a href="http://photobucket.com/Nates78ski" rel="nofoll |
Posted By: Terp
Date Posted: January-12-2009 at 6:40pm
| What?! No comments from J "Hugh Hefner" Bear yet? Must be slowing down in his old age. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-12-2009 at 9:09pm
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the valve is pretty much a static valve, when its detented the valve is in the correct position and the internal ports are lined up. if your question is, can the problem be related to the valve? no,
the boat is an 88 which means the trans is 21 years old and after time the seals harden up and wont seal internally and need more oil to push the piston....Dont use additives it only creates more problems. the most accurate way to troubleshoot the transmission is with a pressure guage installed and pressure charts. when you go from neutral to forward or to reverse the guage should snap up to pressure. if it moves slowly then there is internal leakage. and the pressure needs to be within spec. there really is nothing you can do to the trans short of rebuilding it. dont assume clutch plates go bad either....they need a reason to go bad post more syptoms, does it drag in neutral? how does the oil look? how is the alignment? does the oil have a burnt smell to it? list anything out of the ordinary that you may have noticed recently in the transmissions performance ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 86BFN
Date Posted: January-12-2009 at 9:33pm
I was thinking that! ------------- 👣 Steve http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4057&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1986&yrend=1986" rel="nofollow - 86 Barefoot Nautique 89 Martinique Former Owner: 93 Hydrodyne 350 MAG |
Terp wrote:Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: January-12-2009 at 10:49pm
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Nick,
Love the pics of the 88! My family has owned one for a little over 10 years and we couldn't have asked for a better boat! I had a problem with our trans acting in a similar manner. We found that the problem was actually due to the idle being set too high. When you would engage the throttle it would act more like our pontoon, almost winding up and then slamming into gear. (sounds similar to the extra ten degree play you have in the throttle if I read your post correctly) I don't know if that helps but I thought I would throw out some of the little experience I have since i'm a young buck! I'll be very interested to see what the outcome is! Good Luck! ps- my girl would kill me if I put pics of her up! ------------- |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: January-12-2009 at 11:07pm
Way too early in the day for him,I think he's part owl  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-12-2009 at 11:23pm
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.....snoop bear will be along shortly ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 86BFN
Date Posted: January-13-2009 at 12:22am
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I was going to suggest that maybe he's not up from his nap yet,
but I didn't want him to think I was insinuating that he's getting old. ------------- 👣 Steve http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4057&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1986&yrend=1986" rel="nofollow - 86 Barefoot Nautique 89 Martinique Former Owner: 93 Hydrodyne 350 MAG |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-13-2009 at 10:16am
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you guy's keep in mind that i dont have a crystal ball and can tell exactly whats wrong with these transmissions, I always assume that you go through all the checks of making sure there is oil in it, the linkage is adjusted properly, the RPM's are correct. Ive learned over the years that sometimes I dont get all the info needed. from what it sounds like on this one is the seals are hard or maybe to much clearance in the pump and the trans is delaying because oil volume is down or the oil is going past the seals. what i told you to look for should help determine what the problem may be ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Luchog
Date Posted: January-13-2009 at 11:20am
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Eric, may be you should change your signature to:
First Check oil level, check throttle linkage, check iddle RPM's...now how can I help you???" ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2095" rel="nofollow - 1980 Ski Nautique Commander 351W |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: January-13-2009 at 11:59am
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thanks for all the replies.
some more information. 1) I have a slight drag in neutral shifting from foreward to neutral. it will usually stop witin a few seconds. I can easily stop it by hand. It will also stop if I shift into reverse and then back to neutral. 2) idle is 600-700 RPM. 3) Oil level is full and has no burnt smell. I have not used any additives. 4) Alignment needs to be verified. PO said OK in April '08...shame on me for not confirming. 5) I replaced the O-ring seal on the shift valve last summer (leaking). I assume I reconnected the linkage correctly...but, the shifting issue was the same before and after the change...and with the linkage disconnected. 6) When shifting into forward I move the lever to the forward detent, wait a few seconds, and then forward engages gently. 7) When shifting into reverse I move the lever very slowly towards the reverse detent and reverse will usually engage gently before I get to the detent. If I move the lever too fast, sometimes it is a hard shift (clunk) into reverse. Once in gear everthing runs smoothly. I understand the trans is 21 years old and these things do wear out. If it needs to be rebuilt, so be it...but of course I would rather save that money for gas. thanks again for all your help. ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-13-2009 at 12:11pm
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the clunk may be damper related which is also a wearable item, you should have nice positive engagements with a properly working tran.
a good way to understand these transmissions is: you have a pool with a cover on it, at the bottem of the pool is a 5" hole and it is leaking. at the top is a 10" water pipe to fill it, obviously the 10" water fill will overcome the 5" hole and fill the pool rapidly and start to put pressure on the cover (that acts as a piston) now if you have any problems with the 10" fill pipe such as the pump is worn, it is leaking at the connection...you get the point... the pool will not fill as fast or the pool will not build pressure and push the cover up. its the same theory as a transmission, and thats how you think about it to troubleshoot the trans. if you were looking for a quick fix I dont think you will find one. the thoughts are out there that if the pump is bad you can slap one on and be down the road, well true to a point, but what about the metal thats missing in the pump? it also stays in the trans ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: January-13-2009 at 12:38pm
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man, you're quick.
i understand the pool cover analogy. but, that doesn't seem to explain reverse engaging "early". I'm definitely not looking for a quick fix just a better understanding of the issue and the trans inself. thanks alot!! ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-13-2009 at 1:42pm
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the revesre circuit is straight forward, no bushings to go through nothing spinning, oil goes from the valve straight to the front cover where the piston is and is pretty fail safe. the cavity is always full of oil and it does not take much to apply the reverse piston unlike the forward piston. it will go into gear early if you shift the lever slowly because the ports are starting to line up, they are designed to be shifted quickly not slowly as you are doing, you are "feathering it like a clutch pedal" and its not designed to do so. when you detent that lever it will go into gear positively or something is wrong ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: January-13-2009 at 3:31pm
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ok, this is starting to make a little sense.
if i shift normally into reverse, i get the hard shift/clunk which could be a bad damper. shifting into forward is delayed potentially because of bad pump/hard seals. i don't have the hard shift/clunk into forward because the shift is delayed. does that sound like it could be correct?? is there anyway to test for this or is rebuild and new damper the only way to go. honestly, if it's questionable, i would rather just go for the rebuild and new damper rather than risk days/weeks in the summer with no boat at home. can you give me a ballpark on the cost for this?? ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: January-13-2009 at 3:50pm
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Nice glass and ass you got there. ------------- |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: January-13-2009 at 3:58pm
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what else do you need...wait...i know the answer... ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-14-2009 at 12:34am
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Uhhh....I just woke up...holy crap.
Actually 86BFN felt either bad for me or thought maybe I was just outa it...anyhow he took mercy on me and sent me a personal e-mail to wake me up. Sure are glad to have ya here Mi. I kinda like how the new guys are figuring out this site. Purple just might be my new favorite color...never liked it on a boat before but I see it in a whole new light john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: adamt
Date Posted: January-14-2009 at 4:07am
That picture was a little difficult to see, as a courtesy to Jbear, I brightened it up a bit. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-14-2009 at 11:43am
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I thought i was the pro at changing topics, does photo shop remove?
anyways another transmission lesson....please dispute.....OIL PUMPS DO NOT CREATE PRESSURE and keeping that in mind you can further troubleshoot a trans. explanation will follow ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: January-14-2009 at 11:55am
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I'm gonna go way out on a limb here but is your engine revving slightly before the trans goes into reverse causing the clunk? Going into forward late and reverse early me thinks the linkage needs adjusting. Not to dispute the Guru's findings but could it be that simple?
ps. I agreee with HW, welcome ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: January-14-2009 at 12:21pm
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might be a compination of both, dampner and cable adjustment. If as Allen stated the revs are going up slightly before it engages reverse that would be a cable issue. If when you removed the cable from the lever arm and moved it manually and it didn't change RPM but clunked then that would most likely be a dampner plate issue, now if it shifted fine then you have a cable adjustment issue. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: January-14-2009 at 12:22pm
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First off I was thinking along the same lines as HW, then I decided to read the post, regarding the shift problem, I was thinking the same thing as Alan, had a similar issue with my 99' from new and it was a linkage adjustment, the throttle was moving prior to the boat going into forward gear.
------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: January-14-2009 at 12:23pm
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when i removed the cable from the lever arm and shifted manually I still had the clunk and didn't notice and increase in RPM. ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: January-14-2009 at 12:40pm
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when it is attached do you get an increase in RPM? if so then you do need to tweek the cables adjustment but replacing the dampner plate is what it's going to take to get rid of the clunk, or it's something else inside the tranny and it needs rebuilt.
regardless it sounds like it needs pulled and inspected and if the plate is bad you should see it visually once it is removed. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: January-14-2009 at 12:42pm
Well it was worth a shot, but we turn you back over to the tranny doctor. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: January-14-2009 at 12:50pm
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chris,
i don't recall and increase with the cable attached...but that was a while ago. in the spring i will definately pull the tranny off and check the dampner (damper??). i'm considering having it rebuilt just for piece of mind... ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-14-2009 at 1:18pm
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no one is going to bite at the Oil pumps dont create pressure comment?
he did say he disconnected the linkage at the trans and tried shifting with the same results. sometimes when you do pull the dampner it will look as if there is no damage, common mistake if you dont replace and you still have the noise, the springs will weaken and transfer the noise or clunk, replace and that should repair the clunk problem. Now you need to put a gauge in the port where the temp sending unit is and take the readings, they should be equal in forward as they are in reverse. and the gauge needle should move quickly to full pressure, the same is true to the prior statement..equal for both circuits, no lag pressure charts (and they dont lie) neutral 600rpm's 115psi to 135psi reverse 600 rpm's 120 to 140 2000 rpms 125 to 160 3500 not used, forward 600 rpm 115 to 140 2000 rpms 125 to 160 3500 rpm's 135 to 180 pressures should be checked at 140 degrees if they are not within these ranges or your shift is lagging, there is an internal problem with the trans, typically about 30 percent of Borg Warner failures are snapped reverse clutch plates and the 2 main reasons they snap are: 1-torsional problem..engine miss, bad damper,to high of a shift 2- plates are made from brass, to alleviate the brass problem, i use a steel hubbed reverse plate thats why I always mention if anyone can, switching to a 10-17-003 or 004, it utilizes 2 reverse clutch plates instead of 1 like the AS1 series but....they still snap ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: January-14-2009 at 3:31pm
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i'll bite on the comment...oil pumps only circulated oil...the pressure is built up by increased oil flow to a closed volume...i don't know what i'm talking about...
maybe i'll replace the damper in the spring and then check the pressure. temp sending unit on the trans?? where is that?? then again, given my delayed foreward shift, what are the chances that i'm going to find forward pressure out of spec?? if chances are good, i'd rather just have it rebuilt and be done with it. can you give me ballpark cost on the rebuild?? thanks again for all your input. ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-14-2009 at 4:43pm
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750.00 ish ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-14-2009 at 4:47pm
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you are right about the oil pump, oil pumps provide flow, restrictions create pressure, if the internal restrictions have to much clearance then you will have a psi loss,
its helpful when troubleshooting ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: January-14-2009 at 5:45pm
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alright, i'll think about this for the next 2 months and decide what to do. I may be driving down your way in march...only a 3 hour drive...
also, emily appreciates all the "positive feedback"... ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: January-14-2009 at 5:49pm
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also again, where is the best place to get a new damper plate??
thank you, thank you ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-14-2009 at 8:22pm
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which one do you have? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-15-2009 at 12:20am
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Thanks Adam..you are a pal.
And you Nick are one lucky dude..as are many of us on here. These boats seem to attract smokin' hot ladies. john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: January-15-2009 at 11:31am
71C & 351W ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: January-15-2009 at 11:35am
two more for ya...I am a lucky dude... 
 ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-15-2009 at 12:17pm
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I have a feeling they dont know your posting thier pics ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-15-2009 at 12:19pm
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oh man the girl on American idol had less clothes on then that lol ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: January-15-2009 at 12:23pm
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it's my wife. she said it was ok
so, where is the best place to get a new damper plate?? Ski DIM?? ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-15-2009 at 2:17pm
Nick, Eric has the best prices on the dampner and it will be the high quality Sachs. I just went to link his site (Fantastic Finnish Marine in our link section) but his site must be down. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-16-2009 at 2:38am
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You're kidding...this thread is about your damper plate?
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: 86BFN
Date Posted: January-18-2009 at 8:29pm
Thanks for the reminder jbear. I was thinking it was about "Smokin' Hot Trophy Wifes"
Nick you're a lucky dude! ------------- 👣 Steve http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4057&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1986&yrend=1986" rel="nofollow - 86 Barefoot Nautique 89 Martinique Former Owner: 93 Hydrodyne 350 MAG |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: January-18-2009 at 11:41pm
Me too! john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: January-20-2009 at 12:15pm
sorry for the confusion. i was trying to bribe you guys for information ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-20-2009 at 4:46pm
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keep bribing ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: January-20-2009 at 5:29pm
I agree with you eric!!! ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: 86BFN
Date Posted: January-20-2009 at 6:17pm
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Two more pictures and we'll answer the next question! LOL ------------- 👣 Steve http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4057&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1986&yrend=1986" rel="nofollow - 86 Barefoot Nautique 89 Martinique Former Owner: 93 Hydrodyne 350 MAG |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-20-2009 at 11:37pm
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summer is right around the corner, we need pics to hold us over....were all family here
Steve I must say, those Hydro's are a fine piece of equipment, right up there, if not eye to eye ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: January-21-2009 at 10:06am
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you guys will probably like this link. if you look closely, you might see a member's boat on there...sorry to get off topic http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/1/648402.html?1232490245 - Lots of Good Photos ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: 86BFN
Date Posted: January-21-2009 at 10:10am
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thread jack:
Eric, I love the Hyrodyne, It's a keeper even with the BFN. The bowtie sealed the deal! I've gotten 13 great years out of it so far. I'm thinking of treating it to a set of vortec heads and intake. Can you tell me will I have to change the exaust manifolds with the swap 
I'd like a set of hyteck's but I would have to wait longer for the swap if I have to change now. $$$ ------------- 👣 Steve http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4057&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1986&yrend=1986" rel="nofollow - 86 Barefoot Nautique 89 Martinique Former Owner: 93 Hydrodyne 350 MAG |
Posted By: 86BFN
Date Posted: January-21-2009 at 10:17am
Oh Yea! thanks Nick. that should do it right Eric!
Next question..... I really should visit other sites besides this on once in a while..... NA (can't wait till jbear see this )
------------- 👣 Steve http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4057&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1986&yrend=1986" rel="nofollow - 86 Barefoot Nautique 89 Martinique Former Owner: 93 Hydrodyne 350 MAG |
Posted By: backfoot100
Date Posted: January-21-2009 at 4:13pm
Off topic!!! Are you freakin' kiddin' me?????? That's awesome!!!!!! ------------- When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded. Eddie |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-21-2009 at 5:23pm
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its hard sometimes to keep things family oriented, but GD! I keep going back, im seeing double
yeah yeah nice boat Steve ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: March-16-2009 at 3:17pm
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eric,
i've decided i want to have the trans rebuilt. is it feasible for me to drive it down to your shop next weekend (3/27 or 3/28) and pick it up the following weekend (4/3 or 4/4)?? ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: March-17-2009 at 10:27am
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sounds good to me call and confirm 877-369-6693 ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: March-17-2009 at 11:33am
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i'll give you a call this weekend. ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: RainDog
Date Posted: March-22-2009 at 7:45pm
The thread is down and I missed it.  You guys crashed it! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1868&sort=&pagenum=1 - 62 Classic http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5242&sort=&pagenum=1 - 2002 Super Air |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: March-22-2009 at 7:48pm
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no, that guy from Florida crashed it ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: March-23-2009 at 2:05am
Not me...I never got to view it either... john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: March-23-2009 at 3:30pm
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not to worry...
http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/1/678097.html?1237788369 - new thread for '08 and '09 ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: March-29-2009 at 2:17pm
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Got the transmission removed this weekend and it is now in the hands of Fantastic Finish.
Here are some photos of the removal. Alignment was not so good. .040 out at 12 o'clock. 
Jacked up using the jack out of my Tacoma. It worked quite well. 
Blocked up on the other side. I couldn't find a way to fit a 4X4 in there...2X4 should be OK for a week... 
Jacked up and ready to remove. 
Transmission removed. Others have recomended removing the trans and bellhousing together but, it seemed easier to me to do it one at a time. 
Bellhousing removed. Damper plate came off after that. 
After all that I made some new dock sections and put a coat of stain on them. 
Hopefully everthing will go back together as smoothly as it came apart. We'll see about that next week. ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: March-29-2009 at 4:13pm
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Sorry, i missed you yesterday, but you left it in good hands. you really should also loosen the coupling half lock nuts and make sure the coupling hasnt worked on the shaft and loosened up, thats pretty common with Mis-alignment. I also take a skim cut on the transmission output coupling to true it up and remove any knicks on it, probably the only one that does
Im trying to understand your cooler plumbing from your pic, remember on any type of heat exchanger (cooler) the oil flow needs to be opposite of water flow, it is more efficient on the heat transfer. the 90 degree fitting on the very top of the trans is oil to cooler which should dead head into the water flow. I would imagine that you also brought the damper plate. check all of your teeth on the flywheel ring gear while its apart. check the strut bushing also and if you do pull the shaft have it dial indicated for runout. im having you check all this stuff because of the MA, even though it should be checked anyways, but with the .040 i would imagine some other parts may be worn ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: March-31-2009 at 10:11am
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I checked out the cutlass last night and it looked good. no shaft looseness/movement, no strange wear. I checked the flywheel teeth when i removed the damper (which i took to your shop) and they all looked good, but i'll check again.
I'll check out the coupling next time i'm in the boat. if that looks good, I won't be pulling the shaft. regarding the cooler plumbing, the strainer is mounted in between the the oil cooler and the other hose you see in the 4th picture. water comes in through the hull, throught the strainer, and through the trans oil cooler. ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: March-31-2009 at 10:28am
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one thing that comes with MA in the trans is the output shaft will cock and that in turn will cock the input shaft and will cause the inner pump gear to dig into the front cover on one side, this is where i keep things economical, 99.9% of rebuilders will replace the front cover at $350.00, I face them on my lathe...i thought that was noteworthy, and it deciphers rebuiding and parts replacing, I cut about 75% of the front covers and they often get overlooked in the normal rebuild down at Norms garage ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: April-10-2009 at 12:28pm
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I got everything installed and aligned last weekend. here are some photos...cause I know you guys love photos...
New damper plate. 3 bolts OK per eric...right?? 
Trans installed. Notice the new paint job and the red letters...I don't know why than impresses me so much... 
Tighten damper plate bolts through starter hole. I got them as tight as possible...still makes me a little nervous..but, I'm a worrier.. 
I used this 3/8" drive craftsman swivel head ratchet. It worked quite well. 
Aligned. Largest gap was .002. had to raise the front mounts about 1 turn and nudge the aft end to port with a giant crow bar. i was pretty happy with the results. prop turns easily all the way around with 1 finger using light pressure. 
Everything back together. 
I also replaced the valve cover gaskets but didn't take any photos of that. After that I installed an Acme 542 using pete's recommended procedure. Sadly, my homemade prop puller failed. It was not aligned correctly and failed at the weld b/w the nut and the puller body. I "borrowed" an Ironman puller from the local CC dealer and that one worked quite well. Next one I make will be the pete/eric style. I think I figured out a way to make one with my limited resources. Shaft before. 
Shaft and prop bore after a few rounds of lapping. 
Old 13X13 Federal vs. new Acme 542...big difference. 
Done. 
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Posted By: critter
Date Posted: April-10-2009 at 12:40pm
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Looking good Nick... Now just need to get her wet. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique 1966 Barracuda |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: April-10-2009 at 12:45pm
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any day now. boat is done, dock is in, lift is in... ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: April-10-2009 at 12:54pm
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Looks great, you even have a carpet saving board in use!
My guess is you'll be surprised at how smooth and quiet it runs.
You also solved a small problem for me. Now I know why my old floor piece had two brass lined holes in it...to pin the doghouse hinges! One more on my list to ask Woody about. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-10-2009 at 1:11pm
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you've learned well young Luke ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: April-17-2009 at 11:37am
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Final update. Had a chance to take an extended test drive on wednesday and got out wakeboarding for the first time last night. Everything is velvety smooth again. No more leaky valve covers and the 542 pulls HARD. I'm ready for summer.
Thanks to everyone for your advice and encouragement. Boat at is summer resting place. 
Emily was pleased with the results.  ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: snipe
Date Posted: November-03-2011 at 8:48pm
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What did you replace your pipe plugs with on the manifolds? I still have the the original plugs and they are a nuisance. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=4810" rel="nofollow - 80 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-03-2011 at 9:43pm
Egon,
You have all this time on your hands being retired and you haven't been utilizing it! 
I've posted it before but, the picture must be on the computer at work but it's a high end "radiator drain" with a removable stem, so, you can remove the complete center stem and probe for junk with a wire. I have replaced ALL of my drain points with them on ALL of my engines. They are available through McMaster. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-03-2011 at 10:02pm
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Egon,
I have to forgive myself for not remembering that I was supposed to stop by your house on the labor day weekend and take a look and your boat lift issue!  Too many things came up and I'm sorry, I flat out forgot! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: November-03-2011 at 10:14pm
is this a question for me?? ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: snipe
Date Posted: November-04-2011 at 3:26am
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Pete,
That's O.K. I'm shut down now anyway. See you next season. We'll talk then. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=4810" rel="nofollow - 80 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-04-2011 at 8:51am
I found the picture of the "high end" radiator drain - it was on my compute here at work! They are available at McMaster, Merc used them on their engines.
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Posted By: robdubbleu
Date Posted: July-26-2019 at 4:40pm
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Pardon my ignorance, folks, but why does the damper plate need to be tightened through the starter hole after mounting the bellhousing? I'm about to replace my damper plate (engine and trans are out of the boat and disconnected from one another), and need to make sure I have a perfect understanding of the procedure before I do it. ------------- 1976 Ski Nautique (PCM 351) - Currently under major renovation: floor, carpet, interior, gel coat, engine overhaul - ALMOST DONE! |
Posted By: KENO
Date Posted: July-26-2019 at 5:48pm
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let's just say that if you tighten it down with the shoulder bolts that were used on the original damper before you install the bellhousing, I doubt you'll have any problems at all If you want to make life more difficult and have more chance of screwing things up, then do it through the starter hole. If you really want to tighten them after the bellhousing is on, drill a hole in the right location in the bellhousing so you can work through that hole |
Posted By: robdubbleu
Date Posted: July-26-2019 at 8:45pm
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Thanks KENO! What's the motivation to do it through the starter hole in the first place? ------------- 1976 Ski Nautique (PCM 351) - Currently under major renovation: floor, carpet, interior, gel coat, engine overhaul - ALMOST DONE! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-26-2019 at 9:04pm
Alignment/centering IF the shoulder bolts Ken mentioned are not used. I too have always questioned the practice since the center splined hub in the damper plate really isn't precisely centered since it's held there by springs. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |