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Topic: Dem, Pub, Lib, or other...
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Subject: Dem, Pub, Lib, or other...
Date Posted: April-15-2009 at 9:14pm
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I am proud of my country today! ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
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Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: April-15-2009 at 9:53pm
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Not to bash any of our foriegn friends, but this is definitely the place for me! ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: April-15-2009 at 10:08pm
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Chris, I'm not proud because of the date; I'm always proud of my country...but especially today.
America is speaking and Congress needs to hear it!!! ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: critter
Date Posted: April-16-2009 at 1:01am
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I attended the TEA Party here at the Raleigh Capital building. Me and about 800 of my closest friends. It was a good turnout.
------------- 1980 Ski Nautique 1966 Barracuda |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: April-16-2009 at 8:59am
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Don't guess you were at the Gold Dome yesterday were you Greg? ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-16-2009 at 10:32am
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Tim, Greg loves tax day ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: April-16-2009 at 11:37am
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Roger, did you see any/many FairTax signs? 2 points for going!
Tim, we didn't go to atlanta with Sean in town...it was a zoo. I'm super happy so many did though. Eric, ask 10 people today how much income tax they paid in 2008. Some may not even know, but I'll bet you a shiny new nickel 7 or 8 will say they didn't have to pay...they got money back?!!? Maybe in a few days we'll go back through that last sentence and see if we can list how many things are just plain wrong with it. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: April-16-2009 at 11:58am
Maybe Rick Perry is the only other guy out there who agrees with me?  ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-16-2009 at 12:03pm
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are you saying they dont realize money is taken out of thier paychecks every week? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: April-16-2009 at 12:14pm
That's exactly what I was saying!!!! "I didn't have to pay anything...I got money back" ... ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
eric lavine wrote:Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: April-16-2009 at 2:43pm
Kim and I "OWED" the Feds this year. I think they raided my checking account at 12:01am yesterday morning cause when I checked it @ 0830 the money we owed was gone. ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: The Lake
Date Posted: April-17-2009 at 1:40am
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Hey Greg, are you a proponent of the Fair Tax? It's an intriguing concept, but the current system is so entrenched . . .
Chuck ------------- Walk on Water www.coldwater.me http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=775&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970 - 69 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: critter
Date Posted: April-17-2009 at 3:34pm
Saw a few signs about Fair Tax. Some of these guys are creative. Thanks for the points Greg but I would rather get a refund for a change. Last time I can remember getting a refund was in the late 70s when I was still in the Navy. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique 1966 Barracuda |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: April-17-2009 at 4:11pm
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Correct me if I'm wrong but it is my belief that you don't pay or get back income tax only if you O V E R P A I D during the year.
George Bush so far to my knowledge is the only President to send us some money. As for the TEA party.... Most folks only watch network news and network news just don't get it. They think we just don't want to pay income tax. They miss the fact that it was the spirit of the original Tea party that inspired the April 15 one. It is about government getting too big, taking away liberties, entitlemnts, and runaway spending. It is about finacials, unions, lobbiests,running the government. Government is all about re election, no longer for the people, by the people. |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: April-17-2009 at 4:50pm
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The Fair Tax will help the wealthy and hurt the poor and middle class.
Anybody read today where Ohio wants to use prisoners to maintain its State House at a cost of $100/month per person. Sounds like a great idea to me. The unions are dead against it. ------------- |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-17-2009 at 6:43pm
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I can do without the unions ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: April-18-2009 at 10:33am
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Chuck, I am a proponent of the fair tax. The reason we'll almost surely never see it is because it takes so much power away from the political class.
Bruce, have you read the book? FairTax the book and 'FairTax, Answering the Critics' ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: April-18-2009 at 11:05am
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Greg, I have not read the book, but common sense tells me if the wealthy pay most of the taxes in this country and if everything is going to be "fair", then the middle (me) and poor class is going to have to pay a lot more. ------------- |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: April-18-2009 at 11:14am
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It's proportional. A little old lady gave it the name. After hearing a presentation on the idea, she said "that sure is a fair tax".
Think of the business that would come back from overseas... ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-18-2009 at 1:15pm
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how about capitol gains Greg? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: April-18-2009 at 1:30pm
They evaporate along with ALL federal taxes. The new tax is only at the retail level. No income tax, corporate tax, death tax, estate tax, capital gains....and any others you think of. Also, the fed sends you a check(prebate) at the beginning of each month based on family size to cover the tax on basic necessities. Please read the book!  ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: April-18-2009 at 2:42pm
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Buffalo,
I've avoided making a comment on the Fair Tax for two years, but for some reason can't seem to stop myself today. I see nothing fair about the "fair tax." The only fair tax, is a flat tax. Everyone pays the same flat tax on every dollar made. If you earn a dollar you pay 15 cents. If you earn 10,000,000, you pay 1.5M. No exceptions, no credits, no deductions. It is even, fair, and at the same time progressive. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-18-2009 at 3:41pm
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it should be across the board, but i dont agree on a fixed 15%, what if you have 4 kids, medical bills, and the family next to you doesnt? at 15% and no kids they will move to a nicer neighborhood because they have no expenses, i think tax brackets are in order and exemptions, but need fine tuning,
this country is built on family, and burdened families shouldnt pay high taxes, the wealthy, should be in a higher tax bracket im not talking about the 6 figure wealthy, people with no siblings should be in a higher bracket and so on. fair sales tax no sin taxes, most stadiums were built on sin taxes. put sales tax on things that effect everyone ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: April-18-2009 at 3:50pm
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Pick a number 10, 15, 20, whatever. Everyone pays the same rate, no exceptions.
BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-18-2009 at 3:52pm
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10 for me 20 for the wealthy ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-18-2009 at 3:56pm
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im already so use to saying, discount if its cash....I really picture one day a currency free society, then we will really be fckd ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: April-18-2009 at 3:57pm
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I like the present system. ------------- |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: April-19-2009 at 7:53pm
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I don't like signing a contract I haven't read. I like even less being handed a contract that will take me years to read and being told at the point of a gun that I have to sign it now.
The FairTax is a flat tax...only better! ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: April-19-2009 at 7:55pm
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Add to the above; this contract will be ever changing and you will have little to no say in the matter. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: April-20-2009 at 4:25pm
| Fair tax, flat tax.... the rest will be called fees, and going up |
Posted By: azeus17
Date Posted: April-20-2009 at 8:43pm
BKH- What is so unfair about it? The only difference in the fair tax and what you propose is when you tax it. The advantage to taxing consumption is that everyone pays, no exceptions. For example, illegal immigrants that get paid under the table, drug dealers, prostitutes, etc, you get the point. People that don't necessarily report an income.
Eric- Why should I be penalized for your decisions? If you chose to have 4 kids, you should know that there are expenses that go along with that. If I chose not to have any, why should I not be able to enjoy a nicer lifestyle? The FairTax does not only help the rich and hurt the poor and middle class. Think about it for a minute. Do the super rich by used cars or really expensive new ones? Do they buy your used house or build a huge new one? They are still going to do these things and they will still be bearing a majority of the tax burden. The poor and middle class and everyone could, if they so chose, live tax free with the prebate they get for food and buying only used items. How is that hurting anyone? Read the book. It is actually very entertaining along with informative. ------------- Boats: Current: 02 SANTE Sold: 89 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: April-20-2009 at 9:07pm
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WhoooHooo, Yippee, Hoorayy!
Thanks for the backup Adam, and it's nice to hear from someone who read the book(or both)! I feel like I'm known as the political dissident around here so it's nice to hear from another informed CCFan.  ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: April-20-2009 at 10:39pm
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I began to write out a response about all the reasons a consumption based tax as our sole source of government funding is ridiculous. I deleted it.
Fact is, I knew I should have kept my mouth shut in the first place. If I say what I really think, I'll inevitably piss off someone who doesn't share my views, and with whom I have no beef in the first place. I come back to this site time and again because I love the boats, and I really like the people, not to stir up a bunch of ill feelings. Azeus and Buffalo, if I ever meet you personally, we can have a friendly debate. For now, I'll just use my one vote for whatever tax proposals are put on the table. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: April-20-2009 at 10:58pm
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Brian, why didn't you send it to me?!!?
Please! ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: critter
Date Posted: April-20-2009 at 11:49pm
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First, let me say that I am a registered Independent. I listen to all options and then decide. I expect anyone that spends my money to do so with the same frugality that I do.
As I will be leaving the working environment soon, I look forward to living on as much of the government as I can. I have set up my finances so that I will pay little to no taxes each year when I leave work. If not for me still working this year, the wife (retired in 2007 but still pays her 1/2 of our expenses), would actually have received Stimulus money and would not have paid in a dime (filing married but seperate). But when we add her interest to my interest/income, we pay as usual... I have paid into the system for 35 years and have paid what I feel has been more than my Fair Share. I now plan to enjoy the benefits from my labors and off the back of the taxpayer. That means that I continue to use DOT resources and have security from our Armed Forces but no longer pay for it. If you plan well, you can too.. I have learned from those that figured it out before me. But I am still a registed Independent. OK.. Flame Away... ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique 1966 Barracuda |
Posted By: azeus17
Date Posted: April-21-2009 at 10:32pm
BKH- I hope we do meet some day and I think we could debate until we are blue in the face. Trust me, I do not get angry at people for having their own opinion and I enjoy the challenge of an educated adversary. Critter- I am glad you have planned well and can accomplish your desired lifestyle in retirement. Unlike you, I do not plan on any help from the government when I retire because I am not sure there will be anything left to give at that point! (I am at least 30 years away) Edit: After reading this back, it seems like I am bashing Critter a little. Sorry, that is not what I intended. More meant to come off as I do not expect social security and the like to be around when I retire. ------------- Boats: Current: 02 SANTE Sold: 89 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-22-2009 at 10:21am
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its not being penalized Azeus, I just feel the more you make the more they should take, if your up in the 7 figure income i feel it should be a 25 to 30% tax on that income, up to 100k maybe 10%, fine tune the system.
if you havnt figured out what money does to people in the last couple years. the problem though is the very wealthy sometimes tend to be generous and give to charities....for the write off, its complex I guess my point is if you make 1 million and you are taxed 30% that leaves you 700k, very easy to live on and really wont be missed, but on 100k, that 30% would be missed and would affect lifestyle....now if i made 1 milly a year, i surely would bitch about 30%.....but wouldnt miss it ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: critter
Date Posted: April-22-2009 at 11:43pm
Adam.. not taken as bashing. But I did not say anything above about collecting social security. I do not expect it to be there when I reach 65 either. I have made my plans based soley on my means. My wife means are expected to cover 1/2 of the household expenses too. As I mentioned in my eariler post, we plan to live on our investments and savings but not have to pay taxes. That took a lot of planning. The living on the government part was referring to DOT and Armed Forces, etc. as I do understand that nothing is free (someone has to pay for it). Just not me anymore... ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique 1966 Barracuda |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-23-2009 at 10:05am
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I need a Obama progress report....Greg, azues, Riley, Mike ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: April-23-2009 at 11:18am
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I've been busier in the last 2 months than I had in the last 2 years. Make hay while the sun shines! ------------- |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-23-2009 at 12:51pm
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funny on how we are controlled and most dont even know it,
Riley, what are you saying? rib cookoff this weekend lol ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: April-23-2009 at 1:33pm
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No ribs this time around. No living large for us.
Eric, what's up with the run on ammo? The price has more than doubled since Obama got in and finding .223, .45 and 9MM has become really difficult. ------------- |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: April-23-2009 at 3:59pm
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They can't get us to give up our guns, so they're taxing the dog squeeze out of ammo. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: critter
Date Posted: April-23-2009 at 4:04pm
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Nothing more comfortable today than sitting on 4-5 thousand rounds.. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique 1966 Barracuda |
Posted By: 75 stang
Date Posted: April-29-2009 at 11:30am
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Got that right... ------------- Take your work seriously, not yourself. http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q70/Bigblockbandit/Lake%20and%20boats/ - Boat Pics |