How to combat boat ban?
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Topic: How to combat boat ban?
Posted By: 65 'cuda
Subject: How to combat boat ban?
Date Posted: April-24-2009 at 11:01am
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The manager at our lake has brought up the idea of banning wakeboard boats due to shore erosion. (The lake is a small 300 acre private lake). This is really a political manuever, aimed at one of the board members, who is president of the ski club.
There are only 4 or 5 true wake boats on the lake. Has anyone fought this before? What defines a wakeboat? Is an I/O with a tower a wakeboat? The guy in his 23foot sea ray dragging his kids in circles is the tube is making big wakes. I'm worried about the slippery slope this is going to create, they are going to go after the stereos on the wake boats next, that will lead to a DB level that neither of my boats will pass. It is an older community with lots of retirees, most of whom never use the lake, if this comes to any sort of vote, the pontoon boat crowd will outlaw all the fun. There will be HP limits, size limits, DB limits, etc. I've googled this problem, and the lakes that address this problem ban any "wake enhancing" device, whether or not it is in use. If your boat is equipped with ballast tanks, or a wedge, then it is not allowed on the lake. I think the best defense is boater education and courtesy. Also the bylaws require waterfront property owners to install and maintain shoreline erosion control. Most lots have no such protection, even on the main channel. Any advice would be helpful. Gary ------------- Gary http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=941" rel="nofollow - 1965 Barracuda SS |
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: April-24-2009 at 11:32am
This sure is a tough problem to face. As you found out it's going on all over. The problem won't go away with education and courtesy. It doesn't work as there will always be uneducated and certainly not courteous people out there!!! The extreams that some boarders have gone to with with larger super ballasted boats are complicating the problem. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
65 'cuda wrote:Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: April-24-2009 at 11:51am
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Gary, your's is a classic ski boat...doesn't that help?
Make a petition saying that it's a classic and shouldn't be altered; I'll sign it! ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-24-2009 at 12:02pm
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they dont let Waverunners on the lakes for a reason also, not on our lake
anyways, but the weighted boats do create a problem over at the beach where all the boats sit and cook out, when one goes by you do say MFER under your breath, the beach is near the 24/7 smooth water and they have a tendency to hang in that area. its funny on how things evolve, my trouble making friend winds up bying a Pontoon, he was a troublemaker on the lake...it took him a while to calm down, I dont know why i added that, probably cause we all go through that phase and if we were that age we would be doing the same, Maybe you could designate 2 days a week for WB boats, you have to meet in the middle and comprimise and make sure you attend the meetings and voice your opinion. the WB boats definitely damage the shoreline.....that is a fact, the waves do dis-appate if you run the middle ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: April-24-2009 at 12:16pm
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What kind of state do you live in that has 300 acre private lakes?
You and your friends have to get involved and go to all the meetings and get on the board. ------------- |
Posted By: Waterdog
Date Posted: April-24-2009 at 3:55pm
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First try to be reasonable and kill-um with kindness.
If that dosen't work then try to agree to dis-a gree. As last resort buy 79 a 5th of Turkey and give him the guy's phone number. Don't miss a meeting , good luck. ------------- - waterdog - http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3896&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - 78 Ski Tique |
Posted By: 65 'cuda
Date Posted: April-24-2009 at 5:56pm
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There are no waverunners on our lake either. In the couple of years I have been boating there, I've had a handful of "close" calls, (closer than I would have liked) The lake is small, we have a counterclockwise rule, and every time someone has made a left turn right in front of me it was a clueless retiree in a pontoon.
I'm not saying there are not issues here, but I am a courteous boater who expects the same of others. We need to positively influence the board and other boaters to keep our boats on the lake. The ski club should sponsor an awareness effort to communicate courteous behavior on the water. Any other ideas? ------------- Gary http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=941" rel="nofollow - 1965 Barracuda SS |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-25-2009 at 11:48am
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an envelope always seems to help ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: p/allen
Date Posted: April-26-2009 at 12:30am
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Suggest that the wakeboats pay a higher fee for being on the lake and causing shore erosion. If you are wakeboarding behind a boat then you pay the fee. Regardless of what kind of boat you are behind . Even if it is a fishing boat with 15 horse. This would make them think twice about wanting to board and pay the fee . The bad part is your kids cant board without you paying the fee . ------------- Pat http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/72ccfan/100_5977-1.jpg - My 72 Skier Rock River Dixon,ILL. |
Posted By: The Lake
Date Posted: April-26-2009 at 2:51am
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Our lake has been dealing with the same issue. I think their next step is prohibit boats running with ballast.
Thankfully at this point no one has argued the noise factor. We have a ski club at our lake that has wakeboarders in it. I think they are helping with the "kill 'em with kindness" concept, talking about reducing power turns, staying in different parts of the lake, etc. A lot is perception, I agree with above statements, tubers probably chop water more than any other type of boating. Chuck ------------- Walk on Water www.coldwater.me http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=775&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970 - 69 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-26-2009 at 12:07pm
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the only good thing over here is the President of the association owns an Air and his kids love to WB,
tubers usually stay near the middle where it is rough and on the straights they will go by and not create too much of a wake, the only thing i could think of is dedicating a Saturday to WB boats and not on Sundays, some of the wakes that roll into the shore are really surfable lol ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: April-26-2009 at 1:23pm
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I think they should outlaw purple hair / wrinkles and skin tags ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: April-26-2009 at 2:21pm
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Gary, We are facing the same issues on our lake, which is very small..probably comparable to your 300 acres. We also have a counterclockwise system in place with a ski course in the middle which acts as a barrier for the two sides. I got involved because they were threatening to take out the ski course and ban all "skiing" boats!! I guess our 2001 with a skylon is a wake boat?! Whatever. I visited all the board members houses on a typical saturday, sat on their lots and pointed out all the sea rays, fourwinns, and cobalts running at 5 mph creating rollers twice the size of my 2001 or any wake boat. I would show the board some comparable lakes with Hp restrictions and show them how much the value of their houses drops if the lake isn't skiable! Then, I talked to all the guys with wake boats and gave them some pointers on how to drive without destroying ALL the water on the lake. They were all ears when they heard they might ban wake boats. (I just love how they buy these 40k boats and load them with weight and they cant jump the wakes! ) Be sure to go to ALL the meetings and get on the board if you can! If you don't attend there is a chance of someone slipping in a bill which can be manipulated to kill all the fun! Throw out Ideas like having designated skiing times (2-3 hours) or no use of ballast (they probably don't need it anyway). Good luck, of you need any information on our policies shoot me an email! chris.mars@simpson.edu ------------- |
Posted By: WakeSlayer
Date Posted: April-28-2009 at 1:07pm
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A windy day does more damage to the shoreline than a whole fleet of pigged out Super Airs...
------------- Mike N 1968 Mustang |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: April-28-2009 at 3:40pm
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Ban Steel Sea Walls instead of skiing!! Create a size (length) limit for all motor boats, say 21', allow larger boats only if they are under 100hp.
Some good thoughts and ideas Storm (Chris). Our lake is also small, has a CC rotation and a bunch of cranky old fisherman trying to squeeze out the skiers. We have a no skiing before 10am rule which really ticks me off, fortunately our lake is private and generally pretty quite, also rules are just that, we have no patrol so it's more of a courtesy to follow the rules. I do make it a point to get out and rip it up a couple times a year bright and early just to remind the old farts we ain't goin down without a fight! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: April-28-2009 at 3:51pm
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You guys have crazy rules out there. All lakes in Maine over 10 acres in size are owned by the State of Maine. Lake associations cannot control them. It's a PIA, but you got to get enough right minded people on the board and then fire the manager.
That said, our state reps and senators that are on the committee that considers any new laws seem to feel the sole purpose of any lake is for fishing. The don't like boaters or water sports enthusiasts. ------------- |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: April-28-2009 at 4:27pm
Every time we go out this time of year we get looks like we 'aren't allowed yet'?!!? HW, we provoked a look or two, how loud is mine compared to others you've been around? ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: April-28-2009 at 7:36pm
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There's only a handful of what I consider "loud" boats on this site.
Reid's orange Mustang Reid's Classic Tim's 90 Gary's orange promo Karen's boat The rest of the boats are "normal" to me LOL. 
I just go do my thing, it's not worth arguing over on the water. You definitely need to be at the board meetings. My general attitude towards all the lamers trying to create rules and all that crap is F them, try to stop me. Fight the Power!  ------------- |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: April-28-2009 at 9:30pm
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What they don't get is, sooner or later someone is going to want to ban them. ------------- |
Posted By: 65 'cuda
Date Posted: April-28-2009 at 11:05pm
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We're going to try a little kindness, and remind the board that the manager works for them, not the other way around(He's been there 25 years and seems to think he owns the place).
Next year I run for the board. I really want to avoid any db levels, I'm really thinking that the '73 will have a little bark. ------------- Gary http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=941" rel="nofollow - 1965 Barracuda SS |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-28-2009 at 11:27pm
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but again.....when you buy a place on the lake in a boating community, a place that you take boats on, a place for watersports need more be said? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Andy
Date Posted: May-13-2009 at 3:16am
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Oh yes our lake has its own web site! You can browse it and take some pointers if you want to. Theres a rule against maintaining a "wake", 20' rule on boats, although there's a few guys sliding through that. Toons have a different ruling. HP... Fees on a per HP scale. A speed limit. 1 PWC per lot #. It's mildly entertaining.
http://www.lakeholiday.us/ - Lake Holiday Web ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3721&sort=&pagenum=6&yrstart=1982&yrend=1982" rel="nofollow - My Blue 82 SOLD! |
Posted By: Andy
Date Posted: May-13-2009 at 3:31am
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4.26 Speed Limit.
No boat may exceed a speed of 35 mph on Saturdays, Sundays or holidays between the hours of 10:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. At all other times the maximum speed limit shall not exceed 45 mph. Violations up to 15 mph over the posted limit is a Class C Violation, 15 mph over the posted limit or more is a CLASS B VIOLATION. 4.27 Damaging/Hazardous Wakes 1. As the speed of a boat is increased, the bow rises, causing the stern to plow through the water. Maintaining this state without transitioning to plane creates the largest wake and has the potential for the most damage. Therefore, plowing for an excessive time is prohibited. Plowing for more than one minute will be considered excessive although a lesser period may qualify under certain circumstances. No boat shall be operated in such a manner as to obstruct the vision of the operator or create an unusually high or hazardous wake. 2. The use off all wake enhancing devices is prohibited. This includes devices that add weight to a boat including, but not limited to, water or sand filled bags, bladders, pods, sofas, launch pads, fat bladders, locker saks, etc and the use of wedges, power fins or home made devices. LIMITS ON MOTOR SIZES: 250 hp for inboard/outboard motors 290 for inboard motors 225 for outboard motors 1100cc and 120 hp maximum for Personal Watercraft (JET SKI) 9 All boats are limited to 20 feet with the exception of pontoon boats, which must be 28 feet or less. Limit of two hulled motor craft, no more than one of which shall be a personal watercraft (Jet Ski), (limited number of registrations allowed per year) one pontoon boat and one sailboat over 12 feet allowed to register per lot. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3721&sort=&pagenum=6&yrstart=1982&yrend=1982" rel="nofollow - My Blue 82 SOLD! |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: May-13-2009 at 5:06pm
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andy,
at least you can still fill your boat with fat girls and get a decent wake 
i don't understand why so many people love to make ridiculous rules and then spend most of their time enforcing them...get a life people!!! ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: May-14-2009 at 12:59am
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Amen MI-nick,
We have a buch of old guys trying to keep the lake their pet project! Truth is, people are moving out there who have money and the fishing hole they started is now becoming a very nice lake and the old guys cant afford it! its really sad to see actually. Sounds like Gary knows what I'm talking about, all these guys think we live on their property! ------------- |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-14-2009 at 6:19pm
The future???
 ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: phospher
Date Posted: June-26-2009 at 12:58pm
that's awesome. Spike Lee's Do The Right Thing. ------------- |
Posted By: C-Bass
Date Posted: June-26-2009 at 3:49pm
Bingo. Why live on a lake or be part of one of these communities if you don't like/enjoy watching people use it. I highly doubt the shores are eroding at a significantly higher rate than mother nature would. They're simply making a rule to eliminate what they don't personally enjoy...not in the best interest of the community. Heck, I didn't enjoy the 35' Scarab absolutely shredding the lake at 8:30pm  when all I wanted to do is ski one last time for the evening...but I'm not going to run for office and try to pass a bill banning those boats. ...Actually if I thought it would pass I might consider  .------------- Craig 67 SN 73 SN http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6103" rel="nofollow - 99 Sport 85SN |
Posted By: WakeSlayer
Date Posted: June-26-2009 at 4:23pm
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I would be so hosed with any restrictions anyone would ever impose.
I live on a 60 acre lake, and have a 438HP boat. I run 2000# of ballast when we surf. I completely wreck the lake when we go out riding. Luckily, most of the time it is just us out there. If someone else is out, I always, always use kindness and consideration with them. I either shut down or alternate when someone else wants to ski, tube or whatever. If anyone tried they could probably impose rules to try to run me out. Like HW said tho, try and stop me. I have lived there 12 seasons and have no intention of stopping what I do for fun. I keep my music down at night, too. Run at idle after sunset, etc. I do whatever I can to keep my neighbors happy. ------------- Mike N 1968 Mustang |
Posted By: C-Bass
Date Posted: June-26-2009 at 6:15pm
 Wouldn't it be nice if the majority tried this method.------------- Craig 67 SN 73 SN http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6103" rel="nofollow - 99 Sport 85SN |
Posted By: WakeSlayer
Date Posted: June-26-2009 at 7:59pm
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I also offer to take anyone who wants to for a pull. That usually helps them to understand too. ------------- Mike N 1968 Mustang |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: July-14-2009 at 3:37pm
You need to contact USA waterski and have them send you their book on this type of thing. Don't let them put any small rules on or they will continue adding to them. Tim ------------- |
Posted By: Andy
Date Posted: July-19-2009 at 9:49pm
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Don't let them put any small rules on or they will continue adding to them.
Tim And adding, and adding, and adding. On the up side I have seen quite a few more inboards on the lake this year. Most of them being Maliblues. But hey. Down side. Some "guy" pulling 2 tubes with his newly acquired SAN came ripping through a bunch of us parked. He was following some guy in a Lund doing the same thing. I cant stand the Zig zag, mirror oblivious crowd. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3721&sort=&pagenum=6&yrstart=1982&yrend=1982" rel="nofollow - My Blue 82 SOLD! |