point of no return
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Printed Date: November-18-2024 at 3:23am
Topic: point of no return
Posted By: kapla
Subject: point of no return
Date Posted: April-26-2009 at 2:59am
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well I started tearing the floor appart, grinder in hands I cutted a few holes in different areas... All I mean al the places I opened, the foam was wet, all wet...star stringer en engine mounts chiips of rot wood...
pics 
starboar stringer completely rot 
wood under drivers seat also wet and rot in some places... 
some work on the manifolds before... 
after 
port stringer...wet and delaminating 
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Posted By: p/allen
Date Posted: April-26-2009 at 3:44am
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Good luck . You have a large project ahead of you. ------------- Pat http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w146/72ccfan/100_5977-1.jpg - My 72 Skier Rock River Dixon,ILL. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: April-26-2009 at 11:32am
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and to think that it all happened in the last 3 months, always gotta jab the foam issue ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: April-28-2009 at 4:07pm
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a sample ..rot...
boat engineless 
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Posted By: ryanowen
Date Posted: April-28-2009 at 4:43pm
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Lots of fun! You might as well get the pylon and drive shaft out of the way. I tripped over mine for a while and should have pulled them out first thing.
Good luck and keep the pics coming! Makes me feel better. You know, misery loves company! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3284 - 1988 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: critter
Date Posted: April-28-2009 at 5:13pm
I do not think that you will have a need for that ski handle laying on the floor for some time. You might want to hang it up somewhere in the garage to get it out of your way. No since tripping on that too.... 
------------- 1980 Ski Nautique 1966 Barracuda |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: April-28-2009 at 6:49pm
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Actually I wonīt be doing the job.. I do think Iīm skilled and can handle it with this site members help but I donīt have the time nor the space available to come along with such quest.
I will send it to a marina that will do the floors, the recarpeting, hull minor things, buff, polish, reseal all the rubrail (as water is coming from the dack to hull union)for 2k....sounds right for me..labour here is a little cheaper than in the us... material are same cost or higher sometimes...CPES no clue here.... Not sure if to refoam or not.... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: April-28-2009 at 7:00pm
Unless the marina is working for 5 cents an hour, I would be extremely scared of the quality job you would get for $2k. Just the proper materials alone would cost about that! You definitely have to refoam that boat unless you add a lot of extra support ribs- the hull is thinner and has more distance between the stringers on the newer boats. ------------- |
kapla wrote:Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: April-28-2009 at 7:24pm
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actually labor is 4 bucks and hour...I know its sound cheap but here 1 buck is almost 4 pesos (local currency) and so the job its like 8k that for us Its lots of money...(a regular worker earns 1500-2000 pesos).
The idea is to put extra ribs perpendicular to the stringers... then ply wood over them and the stringers (wood with one layer of mat in the down side) and 3 to 4 layer up... I will be looking after them to check all things are done...the guy is a boat builder (and for I saw his work are good quality)...anyway I can go with the foam... Regarding resins they use isoftalics or some like that poly...no epoxy nor vynil...here.. ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: April-28-2009 at 11:10pm
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tim where did you order you carpet and how many square feet did all the boat required...I'm will check here what kind of carpet i find but i'm considering buying it there and have it shipped along with the engine parts.....I will do all the carpeting floor and walls... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: lewy2001
Date Posted: April-28-2009 at 11:31pm
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Kapla if you are not going to re-foam have you thought of sub floor ballast.
I think you mainly wakeboard if so how much better would it be not having those water bags in the boat? If I ever have to redo my stringers . The plan was to use the area from about the rear of the drivers seat back as a sealed ballast area. Forward of that was going to have it all draining back to the bilge. I dont know if you can get Coosa like Joe used in Argentina. If you can that would be the best way to go for the ballast areas. If not you could use CPES treated ply with epoxy fibreglass shell. ------------- If you're going through hell, keep going http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2999" rel="nofollow - 89 Ski <a href="http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5685" ta |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: April-28-2009 at 11:40pm
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yes I though of it but I could only put about 300 pounds on each side.... so I still need to fill some bags....actually i'm putting 3 600 lb bags...1 on each side and one on the back......but now that I think I will loose about 300 extra pound due to the wet foam I'm removing...... damn I will need more ballast
at least with the xtra horse power i'm adding I will be able to handle all the extra ballast.... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: April-28-2009 at 11:45pm
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other concern is the secondary stringer would be in the middle of the ballast area... and the structural issue....I guess adding extra glass to the hull to thikend it would do it but hey I don't really know how it would turn out... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: Luchog
Date Posted: April-29-2009 at 1:57am
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Kapla, no need for underfloor ballast, as you have pointed it's just a little you can put down below.
I'd try to avoid refoaming. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2095" rel="nofollow - 1980 Ski Nautique Commander 351W |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: April-29-2009 at 2:12am
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yeap..that the idea but I'm concern not only on the structural issues but also on the ride comfort water noise ...foam acts as sound deadener...It would kill me to go all the way and then feel like i'm driving a chessy bermuda caribean (local most popular boat) ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: April-29-2009 at 2:15am
its a barefoot handle though...that finally couldn't use yet..still was learning grabbed to the boom.... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: Luchog
Date Posted: April-29-2009 at 2:20am
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On this boats you dont hear most of the rattle because of the engine rumble!!!
with a good structure, this boats are still so heavy they dont shake. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2095" rel="nofollow - 1980 Ski Nautique Commander 351W |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: April-29-2009 at 3:03am
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still around here lucho!!!
heheh ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: April-29-2009 at 12:41pm
Seb, considering your boat was built with epoxy resin (CC switched to AME4000 in 1989), I think it would be a BIG mistake to rebuild it with poly... or anything but epoxy for that matter. I ordered my carpet directly from CC, as I went with a newer style (97-03ish) gunmetal color in 28oz. If youre not changing the carpet on the motorbox, Id stick with something closer to original so it matches- try to find it local or send away for samples. ------------- |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: April-29-2009 at 1:45pm
Iīll go with the epoxy issue... and see how it turns out... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: ryanowen
Date Posted: April-29-2009 at 2:16pm
I was curious to see what the current boats were made with when I was shopping for resin. CC is calling the construction "AME Epoxy Vinyl Ester" in the current brochure. Doesn't that just refer to what is being called Vinyl Ester elsewhere? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3284 - 1988 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: April-29-2009 at 4:28pm
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Youre correct- I just looked it up and AME4000 is a vinylester resin. I suppose vinyl would be ok to use- but Id still choose epoxy and would definitely avoid polyester. ------------- |
Posted By: gcarbone
Date Posted: April-30-2009 at 12:32am
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How would anyone know to check for soaked foam and or rotted stringers? What are some symptoms that would make someone check? Thanks - Greg ------------- 96 SN |
Posted By: critter
Date Posted: April-30-2009 at 1:01am
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Cracks in the Gell along the Hull.
Soft spots in the floor. Anything older than 1993. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique 1966 Barracuda |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: April-30-2009 at 1:15am
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and bolts that wont screw to the floor
well I spoke to this guy to do the job in epoxy, his is going to check with his supplier and eventually make a new quote...I told him about the constrcution of my boat and agreed poly wouldn't be ok... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: newoldboat
Date Posted: April-30-2009 at 1:26am
| Good luck with the boat builder. Like you said I would deffinitly double check his work. I strongly agree with the other guys when they say to stick with epoxy resin. I don't know if it would be worth the shipping but US Composite's pricing is the lowest I've ever seen, especially if you buy in bulk. Your foam is just as wet as mine was when I cut the floor open. It seems you have decent mechanical skills because you were able to remove the engine yourself. If you have basic woodworking skills and some time to learn you may want to attempt the job yourself and let the marina take care of your carpet, hull, and gelcoat. Everyone here is more than willing to help you with tips and advice on doing the job correctly. This is just a suggestion though, most of us have enough money in the materials that we couldn't imagine paying someone else to do the work. I may be limited on cash but labor is real cheap when you are the one sweating. Good luck! |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: April-30-2009 at 1:39am
wish I could do the job and save some cash on labor but as i said before no time to soend on the boat, I have enough between the job, the 2 little kids and also keeping the wife happy regarding my mechanical skills I did the removal mostly with the help of my friend that rides with me and happens to be a mechanic..he will help me with the engine.
But my skills have been progressing quite a lot in the last year and mostly from the help you guys give. I also post on an corvette forum as I own a 73, and people there is also good on help. So I have mixed heart, ford in the water and chevy on the road...Though my daily drivers are fords  ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: April-30-2009 at 1:58am
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C/C's and Corvettes gotta be pretty rare down there.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: April-30-2009 at 2:04am
I consider my self a lucky guy for havings this mean v-8 fuel starvers down here..you gotta love them, specially that roar impossible to match it.
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Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: April-30-2009 at 2:05am
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defenilety both mi cc/ and vette are a real head turners down here ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: April-30-2009 at 2:14am
We've all seen the pictures...so is Mrs Kapla! john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: April-30-2009 at 2:28am
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you kill me LOL
i just remembered a good pic of the vette that I should post here that will put me again on top...the kind of pics you like
I have to get them from a friend who took it once we went for dinner... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: Luchog
Date Posted: April-30-2009 at 5:46am
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oh we need it... ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2095" rel="nofollow - 1980 Ski Nautique Commander 351W |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: May-02-2009 at 2:40am
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You need them?
there you go.. Not my boat though but are in the river... 
My wifeīs cousin sorrounded 
let me know if Iīm going the rigth path with this pictures... This is the crew I use to maintain the boat shinny...but not dry.... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: May-02-2009 at 2:47am
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Found this one also..
The crew keeping an eye on the boat, wich was docked down there.... 
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Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: May-02-2009 at 11:26am
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Sebastian - you da man! ------------- âBeer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.â Ben Franklin |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: May-02-2009 at 12:05pm
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All I can picture is J-bear going down the line and smacking thier asses with an occasional grab ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: May-02-2009 at 12:05pm
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the grab would be the one in orange lol ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-02-2009 at 6:30pm
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I sure hope JB has 911 service down there. Might need the defrib!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: May-03-2009 at 1:22am
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I think there is something wrong with the cousin....he sure don't look to happy.
I got 911 on the way thanks Pete... john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: May-03-2009 at 11:40am
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he is either thinking, it sucks to be gay right now, or
damn it was a long night ...its a joke, Kap ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Luchog
Date Posted: May-03-2009 at 12:06pm
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Maybe he has just done them all and wants to go ride on Kapla's CC. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2095" rel="nofollow - 1980 Ski Nautique Commander 351W |
Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: May-04-2009 at 7:51pm
I noticed he looks kinda tired LOL ------------- - Gun control means: using BOTH hands! - Money doesn't make one happy, but when it rains cats and dogs, it's still better to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle... |
Posted By: Mark Mel
Date Posted: May-05-2009 at 5:05pm
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The swim suits down there are sooo much better than they wear up here. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=972&sort=&pagenum=4&yrstart=1976&yrend=1980" rel="nofollow - 1978 Nautique FBook - www.facebook.com/charliedontsurfct |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: May-05-2009 at 7:26pm
yeap.. we partied the night before...Iīll try to find those and post them...if you all agree!! Actually this pics are like 5 years old.. and the cousin was by that time around 15 yo...he was amazed...(not by the face though). ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: May-05-2009 at 7:27pm
yeap yours are some much larger...covering all the good stuff... like the tiny ones here ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: Luchog
Date Posted: May-05-2009 at 7:52pm
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Kapla I was just thinking if you'd need any extra tweaking in your carb after the rebuild, perhaps a larger power valve?
------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2095" rel="nofollow - 1980 Ski Nautique Commander 351W |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: May-06-2009 at 12:03pm
when the time comes I will shoot for that..anyway I was in the idea of a rebuilt anyway..And I have a holley trick kit that is rebuilt kit for doing upgrades, it has different nozzles, etc... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: May-11-2009 at 6:59pm
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update 5-11-09
no advance yet.. just waiting on an estimate for doing the job on epoxy...i will try with another friend I know that build cruisers to have another price and opinion.. Boat is sitting there... I think I will start tearing it up myself clean remove foam etc...at least that will lower some of the labor these guys will be doing.... I hate to be what I call a "nautical pedestrian"..and depending on other to hit the water  ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: May-15-2009 at 8:27pm
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After some search I got some guys here that can supply epoxy resins...
What Iīm not sure is the amount I will need to do the hole thing... they told me that with one kilo of resin (already hardened) its good to soak up 5 square meters of biaxial cloth? do these number sound right? material is more expensive that poly but it have better usage? I got quoted for $110 for aroung 13 pounds of resin... How is the proportion of use? Sorry for the metric numbers How many materials you guys under same project ended up using? I tried the search here but something with my browser is not right and get stucked in the middle of the search... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: Luchog
Date Posted: May-15-2009 at 10:00pm
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Tim did his boat a few years back, so he's the man for this questions....again. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2095" rel="nofollow - 1980 Ski Nautique Commander 351W |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: May-15-2009 at 11:57pm
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back to the carpet thing I took a piece of the old carpet and went to some local carpet stores...NADA...nothing here seems to match..no even close...they carry mostly loop style or cut pile but no as this one....Loop is just horrible...I will consider shipping a roll from the us....were is a good store for getting a quote? and how many rolls to the the complete recarpet you need.. floor wall, mb trim, etc...?
http://www.boatcarpetbuys.com/boatcarpets/763-25--x-8--20oz-boat-carpet-.asp - boat carpet store sample http://www.boatcarpetbuys.com/swatchImages/1567%20Midnight%20Star%2020oz480.jpg - carpet sample ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: Luchog
Date Posted: May-16-2009 at 1:06am
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Have you visited Santana or Borello? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2095" rel="nofollow - 1980 Ski Nautique Commander 351W |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: May-16-2009 at 1:12am
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yeap..today...santana kick me out and borello i left him a sample and was going to check out similar stuff. Actually yesterday when i went to the boat to grab some stuff and sneaked on an 2006 x20 the penolope glamour and had a similar carpet to my boat. But unfortunatelly alfredo had to change for another carpet on newer boats cause that was NLA ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: May-18-2009 at 4:57pm
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Seb, a standard 6' wide roll *might* make be wide enough if its oversize a bit (mine was closer to 6'6"). If its exactly 6' it will be an inch or so short. A running length on the order of 40' or so will be enough to do the bottom, sides and panels.
I cant follow you on your epoxy measurements. Count on using at least 10 gallons. ------------- |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: May-18-2009 at 7:45pm
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tim
those 10 gallons how much do they weight? ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: Luchog
Date Posted: May-18-2009 at 7:57pm
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ahh Penelope Glamour, have you ever met the former owner?? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2095" rel="nofollow - 1980 Ski Nautique Commander 351W |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: May-18-2009 at 8:01pm
no that I recall... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: May-18-2009 at 9:35pm
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Seb, theyre not light. I just ordered all the glass for the Skier (16' boat) which included 10 gallons of resin and the total shipping weight was 250 lbs. I imagine the epoxy was the bulk of that weight- we arent refoaming it. ------------- |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: May-19-2009 at 6:31pm
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Ok..I will make new enquire here for how many materials I will need as the estimate the provider gave me was to low on comparisson to the estimate on poly that the guy in the marina was thinking...
Also what would be the worst scenario in doing the job on poly? So you are not refoaming? you will need extra ribs for that hull or is it thicker than the 90īs? ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: May-26-2009 at 4:12pm
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Nope, not refoaming the Skier. Thats a much smaller and much thicker (sturdier) hull than the 90+ based on my experience on my Tique. Ill be adding a few extra ribs, mainly for the purpose of supporting the floor. The 90+ would need a lot of ribs for the purpose of structural integrity, IMHO. ------------- |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: May-26-2009 at 10:34pm
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you think that would catch on TR ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: June-02-2009 at 3:26pm
frash pics!!! i went today to see the work or should I say the destroyed on the boat
well as you can see all the wood is wet rot. What surprised is that all surface wood is untreated and almost loose, it is fastened by some rusty nails and the foam itself..not super crafmanship.... foam super heavy and filled with water 
the saw 
after the foam removal we will let the hull dry for some day as the surface of it is wet and has some trapped water... 
and here is the original money pit... (sh#t hole) 
starboard main was also rot but not as much as port....  ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: June-05-2009 at 6:13pm
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more pics as for today...
all the foam is out... it filled 7 200L tanks... 
I will need a new stereo after this
thats the log area..are those bars glued reinforcements 
The hull walls also have some kind of rubber backing were the carpet was glued to..anybody knows what are they for?
the strut I see it bent...to the right what do you think.. 
the shaft has this polished look at the strut section..is it ok or should i replace it? 
and a ridge at the shaft seal entrance area 
log hole 
boat sits on a malibu trailer.. dual axle, four disc surge brakes and all the goodies...I like it.. Here a sh#t# trailer painted single axle no brakes new sell for no less than 3k....  ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: Luchog
Date Posted: June-05-2009 at 10:24pm
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Kspla as long as the shaft does not have an all around movement on the strut it is ok.
If it has some it can be a worn strut bearing, check it for wear before putting it all back together. Some struts are a bit tweaked because fit is not always perfect from the factoty, what's important is that after it's all back together the shaft turn freely by hand. The ridge on the shaft... I'd not switch it unless you cannot get the packing gland to seal anymore, wich in that case you can get a larger diameter packing rope too. Get a graphite packing one. Sure that shaft has seen it's many turns around the life!!! by the way I love the troll over the mirror ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2095" rel="nofollow - 1980 Ski Nautique Commander 351W |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: June-05-2009 at 10:34pm
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the shaft had no movement inside the strut nor the seal leaked much..just normal some drops...
Actually the shaft was turned twice in the last 6 months.... I will be replacing the strut bushing anyway as the last time it was changed was like 3-4 years ago.... the troll is Tazzmanian Devil from the cartoons... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: June-17-2009 at 2:53pm
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Question here.. I have to weld the aluminum frame of the motor, the short section were the pylon attaches to the long legs that goes in the stringers broke off I guess due to stress when the extended pylon cable to the bow cut off a couple of months ago. By that time I put a bolt there as it had the holes. Now Its out I like to have it welded. The thing the whole rig is anodyzed, and when welding it this coat will be off in the sorrounding parts of the welded area. Should I have all anodized again or can I just give it some anticorrosion paint there? Is not visible unless you want to look at it? so what do you think?
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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: June-17-2009 at 3:23pm
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Anodized, really? I dont think mine was. I would think that paint or powdercoat would be fine. ------------- |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: June-17-2009 at 3:53pm
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at least its what the guy doing the job told me. He knows what he talks so I donīt doubt his words.
at simple glance how can I tell if it anodized? it does have some kind of finish though, its not the natural aluminum finish... I didīt get a picture as the frame was on the wall with all sort of parts stacked on it, will do next time... lets see what pete has to say... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: June-23-2009 at 12:56am
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well first stringer is glued and glassed to the hull, I didn;t get pictures yet but will do this week, it has two layers of cloth and epoxy. So is ok or how many layer are needed? regarding the epoxy the one got here seems kind thick and has to be worked with spatulas for better results...
once cured its like it was part of the hull... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: June-23-2009 at 12:33pm
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The US Composites epoxy Ive used is about the consistency of cheap sugary maple syrup. The amount of glass that should be used on the stringers will depend on how thick the material is, but I wouldnt go with any less than 3 layers. Ive layed up with mat-cloth-mat in the past (mat is pretty thick and soaks up a lot of epoxy) and Ill be doing mat-cloth-biaxial on the next one. Cloth by itself is pretty thin and wont hold much resin. ------------- |
Posted By: lfskizzer
Date Posted: June-23-2009 at 1:27pm
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This is how my boat is coming along on my 1985 ski nautique using Coosa Board as main stringers. We cut the secondaries down 1/2 inch more as we are going to use 1/2 coosa on the floor and fill with foam and glass it in. We have been using fiberglass tape cloth. 2" 4" 6" 8" and sanding between coats. 1 coat of each right now but I am thinking on doing 1 or 2 more coats of 8" not sure yet. The starboard secondary on has 2" right now and have to put in the stopper piece in tonight and put 4" on the rest of it.
Tim let me know if my dad and I are doing a good job we have about 70 hours each into the boat and my brother has been busy with family stuff and has put 3 hrs into it.  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4457 - 2008 Ski Nautique 206 http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2683 - 1985 Ski Nautique 2001 Series |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: June-23-2009 at 1:35pm
I thinks it really cool how many people are putting these back together...must be something to it! 
Meant to add this...I used mat-cloth-biaxial in some places and went mat-cloth-mat-cloth-biaxial on the mains and a few other places. The biaxial is a little harder to work with but well worth it. It has a mat-like back and is super strong. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: June-24-2009 at 3:58pm
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Ok I will add one more layer of cloth..the one using here is around 8oz to the square meter...regarding mat i see in the us composite site is for use only on poly and vynil resins? can it be used on epoxy resins. Here they told me not to use the mat with epoxy as it has some coating it will not bond ok to the epoxy. And there is no mat available here to specif use with epoxy..IÂīm kinda lost.
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Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: June-24-2009 at 5:14pm
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They're right, you need E-mat. The regular mat is held together with something that disolves in poly resin but not epoxy. E-mat is stiched together. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: June-24-2009 at 5:25pm
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Phil, looking good! Wish my pockets were deep enough to rebuild with Coosa. Maybe when I finally get to my Inca Gold boat...
Kap, if youre just using cloth, I dont think 3 layers is enough. A single layer of mat will be thicker than 3 layers of cloth. The build up on my stringers was over 1/16" thick. Id strongly consider adding mat or biax like Greg did. Greg, I agree that epoxy mat is preferable, but its still out of stock at US Composites! This is what they have to say about it on their website: ******Out of Stock***** Owens Corning has discontinued this item. We are continuing to look for other sources. We have found our brand of 1-1/2oz x 50" (cat# FG-10550) regular chopped strand mat wets out with epoxy very well and could be considered a substitute. This time around Im going with a mix of the regular mat, cloth and biax. ------------- |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: June-24-2009 at 5:30pm
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I wondered about that as well. Maybe someone here can say if the compound in the poly mat will interfere with epoxy. I sort of doubt it as epoxy is more of a glue than a chemical reaction.
By the way...I have a small amount of E-mat for sale. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: June-24-2009 at 7:25pm
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so what do you think? I take the chance and use the regular chopped mat available here?
Were I buy the epoxy they only carry cloth and being the 8oz the thicker for the application I gave them. Regarding old resin in the rotted stringer it had a thin very thin layer...but well I guess that it had something to do with the issue the boat had foam? Or it was just poor workmanship? the glassing of the stringer is only to keep them in place and prevent them from rotting or it it also to give rigidity to the hull? wood stringer itself isnÂīt enough support? I like the coosa idea!!! but sure not available down under!!!! ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: June-25-2009 at 3:51pm
went today its looking good...
stringer were made out of 3 ply board of 1.5cm each bonded and screw toghether to give a 4.5cm total with. that grey spot on the last stringer pics is the epoxy putty, that its very hard to work with!!! its like a kid putty and has to be woked by hand!!! Regarding the epoxi resin I have to say has the consistency of honey... pics of the materials...  ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: July-14-2009 at 5:54pm
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had to dig 3 pages to find this...
Floor is all glassed from the back to the middle just were the engine front is... I decided to pour foam finally, so will drill holes to the wood pour the foam and close it again..IÂīm leaving on thursday on vacation, so I wonÂīt be able to see progress. Will come back in a month so I hope to find the boat in its final details.... i will post some pics of the Europe reunion with Kristof!!! ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: July-15-2009 at 6:08pm
got some pics of the floor prior being glassed. this are from 10 days ago...
Now both sides are complete and glassed..I stepped on them and it was rock solid!!! No pics on the last time..I asked the guy to keep me pict record so I can post it here!!! ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: August-17-2009 at 10:23pm
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ooops I had to dig 4 pages to find my post!!!
update: well not much while I was out!!! and as I got here on friday I was not able to go to the shop to see it. Work done: all the floor is set and glassed, and the ventilation and wiring pipes from the bulk to the bilge are in place. PVC pipes were used to this and the old bulk box will be re used for the air box. carpet is waiting to the foam to be poured to put it in place. still lots of work ahead. I'll try to get pictures this week. ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: Luchog
Date Posted: August-17-2009 at 11:02pm
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Kapla, finally I'm not going to BA. this week but next monday I'll be there for sure. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2095" rel="nofollow - 1980 Ski Nautique Commander 351W |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: August-18-2009 at 12:40am
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ok, call me when you are here...see ya. ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: August-27-2009 at 4:27pm
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Update
floor is all there, put the air box, used the old one as it was removed entired, and glased over the floor, the cooler and batery box also installed. The bilge its painted etc, Next week they will pour the foam under the floor, doing some holes in the floor, then glass over the holes to seal them and the ready for carpeting. pictures as today: 
IÂīm now behind this as the engine now is ready. I also took the drive for and inspection, repack the shaft seal, and inspect the prop. At least everything its here and no parts to wait for. I expect the job to be finished in a couple of week and to be able to put the boat in the water by end of september!!! I canÂīt wait for it I need it now!!! We are having a nice winter, temperature this week was around 80-90 Fš and for saturday also...Big storm commming on sunday though ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: August-31-2009 at 7:51pm
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not many changes since last week..
I sent the drive a local repair shop to have the shaft rechecked, the prop had some nicks, and the shaft seal needs new packing, also sent the rudder as the shaft was little bent to the back, and the rudder packing was almost gone so also new packing in the way.... At least with this I gain some time, and I will have everythin ready when the time comes for the assembly.... I hope this week they start/finish pouring the foam, so they can put the carpet by next week, after that little is left... yesterday sunday 8-30 we had a kind of summer 95F!!! I went to the river and made some swiming..it was very hot..Valentino even jumped to the water with me!!! I just canÂīt wait to have the boat ready ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: September-04-2009 at 2:13pm
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well this is turning into a big money pit..LOL, just came from the repair shop, shaft seal was worn out and the shaft had some play inside that even with the new packing it was going to leak...so new shaft seal is on the way, but it it a new system, like a dripless seal, that uses grease as sealant....
The rudder seal packing system will also be replaced by o-ring system, that also will not leak, and should outlast the traditional packing system.... I guess its better have all this stuff done before than then having to stop the assy due to a problem... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: lewy2001
Date Posted: September-04-2009 at 9:58pm
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Kapla are you saying your stuffing box was worn out?
Are you sure you were using the correct size packing? We use the double seal greased system log in Australia. It still requires the seals to be replaced when they wear. To get the seals out you need to remove the prop shaft. A big disadvantage over the stuffing box system. http://www.cassellmarine.com.au/p/328024/log-gland---brass.html - Log / Stuffing Box After having used both systems I feel the stuffing box system is superior. If you use the gortex material it is almost dripless. That is the only advantage the double seals have initially. Once the seals wear the system is no longer dripless the grease is suppose to lubricate the seals not be the actual water seal. ------------- If you're going through hell, keep going http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2999" rel="nofollow - 89 Ski <a href="http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5685" ta |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: September-06-2009 at 3:36am
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its similar i see..
my shaft seal was egged, so eventually even with a new packing it would not seal right... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: September-08-2009 at 7:32pm
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anyway changing or doing that kind of maintenance every 2 years, is not bad, it forces me to check everything its in place. The original shaft seal was infact worn out due to some years (3) i used it w/o checking the aligment...I started looking at that when i became a member here!!!
update on the boat... foam was finally poured in. Floor is very solid...now its time for the assy, carpeting, etc... Engine is awainting the boat to be finished!! I think IÂīm going to be able to launch it by begining of october!! ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: September-18-2009 at 3:22pm
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Some updates.. the carpet its been intalled!! 
Thew new ss exhaust... 
the new shaft seal... 
by next week the removable floor panels will be cut glassed and carpeted, also all the alluminum frames will be bolted to the stringers.. so the end its almost there.... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: form&function
Date Posted: September-18-2009 at 11:26pm
| How long do your summers last?Do you get to use it this year? |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: September-21-2009 at 2:43pm
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We are about to enter the spring here..and summers are long..anyway I get to use the boat year round.. the colder day are in the 40-50 degrees around july, then the average is 50-60....October the t raises to 70-75..january is hell...100degress..and we have the 70 again until may...
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Posted By: DAY_TRIP
Date Posted: September-21-2009 at 10:55pm
| Boat looks good! Did you do anything with the engine or just a re-install of the original? |
Posted By: Luchog
Date Posted: September-22-2009 at 2:10pm
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Day-Trip, there's another thread named Engine rebuilt.... Kapla got all the new toys for his engine... bet it will be amazing! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2095" rel="nofollow - 1980 Ski Nautique Commander 351W |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: September-22-2009 at 2:40pm
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I did a short visit to the boat today no pics.. carpet is all layed, except the bow area, and the the motor frame is bolted to the stringers...
Final adjustments to the rudder port are needed to then assemble the gas tank.. so I expect to have it ready soon!!! ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: September-23-2009 at 2:38pm
some pics...
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Posted By: Luchog
Date Posted: September-23-2009 at 3:18pm
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I thought carpet would be the last thing to put in... ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2095" rel="nofollow - 1980 Ski Nautique Commander 351W |
Posted By: uk1979
Date Posted: September-23-2009 at 3:31pm
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Seb Great shots of the boat can even see where you stood, must get a door mat next to it.
Not long now well done. PS who going to win the football on the 24th Oct? ------------- Lets have a go 56 Starflite 77 SN 78 SN 80 BFN |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: September-23-2009 at 3:40pm
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job is almost done..thats why the carpet was layed... only the engine is missing..
the hull buff is the last thing... so I expect to through the engine in next week...hope ... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |