V-drive 2001 SN
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Printed Date: September-25-2024 at 8:16am
Topic: V-drive 2001 SN
Posted By: Luchog
Subject: V-drive 2001 SN
Date Posted: July-09-2009 at 1:31am
http://www.the2001.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=1184&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75
it's beautiful!!!! I wonder on gear reduction, he might need a 4 blade now! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2095" rel="nofollow - 1980 Ski Nautique Commander 351W |
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Posted By: TX Foilhead
Date Posted: July-09-2009 at 4:17am
| Wow, I just found it on Wake World. I thought more people here would appreciate the work that went into it as well as the fact that he tried to make it look as classy as the original, and he even kept the ring. I expect we'll see some more of these conversions next spring. |
Posted By: Kristof
Date Posted: July-09-2009 at 9:48am
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That looks awesome!!
A real beauty! Great work.   ------------- - Gun control means: using BOTH hands! - Money doesn't make one happy, but when it rains cats and dogs, it's still better to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle... |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: July-09-2009 at 3:20pm
| Thats bad ass I love the wood deck on the back. And he didnt put a tower on it :) |
Posted By: Luchog
Date Posted: July-14-2009 at 12:04am
look at this guys exhaust assembly...
I wonder if the manifolds could have been interchanged or the risers put backwards at least to save for that 180º curve. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2095" rel="nofollow - 1980 Ski Nautique Commander 351W |
Posted By: Chopper
Date Posted: July-14-2009 at 5:17am
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You'd still need the same bends no matter which way the risers face. If you turned them around, there would be no room for mufflers. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1540&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1996&yrend=2000 - 98 Ski |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: July-14-2009 at 5:46pm
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changing belts and impeller i guess it harder on that configuration.. hull looks it was stretchened a little bit right?
I looks good though.. I always wonder how hard is to do that conversion.. how about a 1992 sn vdrive? I´m at point that could turn to it.... I need a v-drive and engineer the back deck...But the euro tail would sacrifice some space though... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: July-14-2009 at 6:34pm
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Do yall know if he put the swimdeck back on? ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: July-14-2009 at 6:56pm
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No room for mufflers= no problems!
The swim platform is there, take a closer look. Must be in the original place but sunk due to the added weight in the back. ------------- |
Posted By: skimzone
Date Posted: July-14-2009 at 9:34pm
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Dammit Man!!! I am going to re-think my whole boat build now!! That is Freakin sweet!!! Its like an old barrel back or utility and modern ski hit each other and- here's what happened. I've got a couple junk v-drives layn around- HMMMMMMMMMM, wonder what it would cost. I wish there were some pics of the foward engine compartment work- I would like to see the joint behind the seat. Dam nice lookin. ------------- '78 ski nautique '01 sport air nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: July-14-2009 at 9:46pm
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skimzone
I had the same thoughts when I saw this!!! ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: Luchog
Date Posted: July-14-2009 at 9:58pm
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skimzone you better do this on a 2001 hull, since the older SN hull were quite narrower and I dont think it could end up well. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2095" rel="nofollow - 1980 Ski Nautique Commander 351W |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-14-2009 at 9:59pm
Luciano; The early Separators when they first came out had the manifolds reversed. The exhaust was straight out through the transom. Then, evidently CC thought they were too loud so the manifolds were reversed, the elbows added and the exhaust went out through the transom just at the water level like a DD. The Separators/Torinos were among the early V drives just as boat builders like Donzi were. I'd have to say that even with the bends, it's less restrictive than a I/O with through prop underwater exhaust. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Luchog wrote:Posted By: sam57
Date Posted: July-15-2009 at 12:37am
| I had a 82 CC Riviera V-Drive with a Chevrolet PCM. The risers were on backwards and went thru 2 90deg elbows with a 8in metal tube between, then into a heavy metal muffler about 14in long X 6in dia then thru the transom. And yes, it was a S.O.B. to work on the water pump, alternator, or belts. I had to remove the rear seat and battery and lay beside the engine so I could see what I was doing. |
Posted By: Luchog
Date Posted: July-15-2009 at 1:12am
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at least he installed a dripless seal so he wont fight the packing gland! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2095" rel="nofollow - 1980 Ski Nautique Commander 351W |
Posted By: TX Foilhead
Date Posted: July-15-2009 at 1:45am
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Looks like he has created some maintenance issues trying to get the motor as far back as possible. My Excel has a giant Invertaflow between the engine and the transom, so it is almost as easy to get around everything on the front of the motor as a DD. Bad thing is it costs me some interior space.
The plumbing doesn't look good either, raw water strainer on one side, and the transmission cooler on the other. I'd like to see the other side to see how that works. |
Posted By: SN2001fan
Date Posted: July-16-2009 at 1:50pm
| that is so cool!! |
Posted By: nates78ski
Date Posted: July-16-2009 at 2:47pm
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Ok Yeah... That's Awesome!
I'm not a big fan of V-Drives in general & i can't say I'd do that, but I love that the guy did it & did it well. It looks clean & classic. I love the engine hatch. Very Nicely done! Nate ------------- Nathan http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1463&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - My '78 Ski Nautique <a href="http://photobucket.com/Nates78ski" rel="nofoll |
Posted By: skimzone
Date Posted: July-17-2009 at 2:00am
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I wonder how the 90's slow down exhaust performance- if any. I guess its a short run- but for sure it takes thought to work the bugs out when planning this type of build. ------------- '78 ski nautique '01 sport air nautique |
Posted By: Chopper
Date Posted: July-19-2009 at 3:57am
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Could a composite constrution SN be converted to V drive.? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1540&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1996&yrend=2000 - 98 Ski |
Posted By: Luchog
Date Posted: July-23-2009 at 7:07pm
I guess it could be done, the issue with the 93' and newer would be deck cleareance I think. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2095" rel="nofollow - 1980 Ski Nautique Commander 351W |
Posted By: Luchog
Date Posted: October-02-2009 at 3:11pm
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I'll bring this back to life as there's other 2001 being converted to Vdrive. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2095" rel="nofollow - 1980 Ski Nautique Commander 351W |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: October-02-2009 at 7:36pm
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84 Resto (Dan)
Your boat turned out awesome! Curious what Lake you are on. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: Chopper
Date Posted: October-05-2009 at 3:14am
Do tell.! Details.? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1540&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1996&yrend=2000 - 98 Ski |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: October-05-2009 at 11:13am
Andrew, Discussed http://correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15448&title=2001v-drive - here in the "maintenance" forum. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: 84resto
Date Posted: October-10-2009 at 11:02pm
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Luchog, sorry i havent replied to your questions. I copied them form the other thread and will answer here.
Do you have any pics of your boat running? did it end up too bow high? What prop did you finally put on? and what kind of performance are you getting out of it? Does it porpoise at high speeds? if so where at? Did you consider a different route for the exhaust pipes avoiding the U bend? I do have pictures of the boat running including wake pictures, and a ton of pictures of us surfing. I will do my best to post this week. My prop is an Acme 650 4 blade. I get some porpoising over 35mph. Im going to put an adjustable wake plate on over the winter to help shape my surfwake and should eliminate porpoising at higher speeds. I dont see how i could route the exhaust any other way. If the risers were flipped around there would be no room for the exhaust. I didnt notice any negative effects from adding the extra 90 degree elbow and making a U. |
Posted By: form&function
Date Posted: October-10-2009 at 11:55pm
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Resto,Does the boat porpose when your ballast are full?
Second I am trying to design a layout under my floor and the ballast weight front to back is a bit of a mystery.I guess your really the only person in the world that would know?At this point I am assuming 50/50 unless you tell me otherwise. Thanks |
Posted By: 84resto
Date Posted: October-11-2009 at 12:13am
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The boat porpoises with ballast completely empty at around 35-36 with a slight very gentle bounce then get worse from there as you go faster.
I wouldnt put any infloor ballast. the amount of space in your floor is minimal, the amountof work and $$ involved wouldnt pay off for what you get. Plus if somethign goes wrong and you get a clog or something youd have to tear the floor up. If you are desperate for more weight if make some openable hatches and throw lead under the floor. -jmho s far as porpoising when ballast is full. When i have ballast int eh boat i never go close to full speed. Max is 22-24 for wake boarding. Now, you can easilly fit more ballast in teh back of the boat even with the engine taking up room back ther ethen you can fit int eh nose. So with ballast full it would make the porpoising problem worse. When i wakeboard i seriously didnt need to put much weight in the boat. the wake is already jacked up from stock with the difference in weighting position due to engine move. Max i would add ~ 400 pounds to the rear bags and then try and balance that with filling the nose. What is your plan as far as ballast setup, seating, fuel tank? what do you use the boat for? Wakeboarding or surfing or a combo? Which one do you do more of? |
Posted By: Luchog
Date Posted: October-11-2009 at 1:01am
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I'd try putting on the fuel tank as forward as possible, for every inch you move it forward you get less bouncing. It would also help soften the wake a little.
Then I'd have a hard tank or bag under the bow for those times when you are loading it on the back or you really want to mellow the wake. You could also add 2 hard tanks on the engine hatch under the gunnels. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2095" rel="nofollow - 1980 Ski Nautique Commander 351W |
Posted By: form&function
Date Posted: October-11-2009 at 1:14am
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Wakeboarding is the main focal point of our boat and space is our main issue.We ride heavy and as a family so ballast and storage layout are very important.From my ruff calculations I can fit 25 gallons of fuel and 50 gallons water under the center up into the bow without compromising flooring.If I raise the floor a few inches under the bow it should allow enough ballast to compensate the rear lockers and still have room for life jackets and what not.
For seating we will probably stick with the wrap around and gain a little storage under the seats. About the porposing I wouldn't worry about it to much,I have owned half a dozen wakeboats and they all porpose to some degree.Thats why almost all new ones come with wakeplates. |
Posted By: dip
Date Posted: October-11-2009 at 1:38am
| Wow! I didn't expect to like this, but damn! That is gorgeous! Ever watch that show Overhaulin'? It sort of reminds me of what that guy Foose does with cars. They aren't original, but they're beautifully designed and at least appear beautifully built. Wow! I want one! |
Posted By: 84resto
Date Posted: October-12-2009 at 2:39am
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Thank you Dip, that is a heck of a compliment. I love that show
F&F, just to give you an idea, my fuel tank is just under 30 gallons and runs from about 1 foot in front of the v drive up to about the dash board. If you can get another 50 gallons of water from the dash board forward hidden under the floor go for it. Remeber you've got ballast pumps/fuel hose/ ballast hose/ electrical/steering/throttle etc... that all needs to get routed under the floors too. You look like you have a great shop setup for this kind of thing. After youre done glassing the stringers in, test fit the motor/tranny/vdrve/shaft. It will give you a much better idea where you need to put everything. You will probably need to compromise some of your ideas just so everything works properly and fits in neatly. |
Posted By: Pauly-Banana
Date Posted: October-13-2009 at 8:26pm
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Hey 84resto, any chance os getting a picture from underneath the boat! Specifically the rudder and prop area! ------------- mailto:mrfurymn.8124@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow - Pauly-Banana http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4102&yrstart=1981&yrend=1985" rel="nofollow - My 1983 Nautique <b |
Posted By: anthonylizardi
Date Posted: October-13-2009 at 8:34pm
| FYI, he didn't changed anything. The engine and transmission was placed so it will used the original shaft location. The only thing that was added was a dripless shaft seal. Most of the construction is documented at the2001.com. |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: October-13-2009 at 9:17pm
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huh, sits flatter in the water than i would have guessed... nice execution. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |