New barefooters- "Stuck" on the tumble up.
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Topic: New barefooters- "Stuck" on the tumble up.
Posted By: M3Fan
Subject: New barefooters- "Stuck" on the tumble up.
Date Posted: July-28-2009 at 7:50pm
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I tend to teach people how to barefoot via a tumble-up directly on the boom. I generally go over the 3 point position, bent knees, gently putting feet in the water, etc. on the boat with them and very carefully explain everything that's going to happen so that they are not discouraged or surprised by anything during their boom learning experience. I'm easy on the throttle and quite frankly I think I'm pretty good at teaching people how to foot. I've taught several guys to foot this way. However, other than my wife I am 0 for 3 teaching the gals how to tumble up on the boom. Without fail, what happens is they try to tumble up and get stuck half way around the tumble. Discouraged, they usually let go and try a couple more times, sometimes never to try it again. How do you get beginners "un stuck" on their first tumble up? ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: July-28-2009 at 7:54pm
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Ive run into this problem several times with new footers and I still dont have a solution for it! The best thing I can come up with is to bring a kneeboard along and have them learn off that instead of tumbling up. Tumbling up isnt really a critical building block to teach good form, so I figure skipping it entirely is acceptable. That being said, Id love to hear suggestions as well! ------------- |
Posted By: 86BFN
Date Posted: July-28-2009 at 8:07pm
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Tumbling up on the boom is not the easist thing to do. it's much eaiser with a short rope because of the freedom of movement, so until they're ready for the short rope, I just have them put they're feet up on the cables until planed out then have them go to the three point. problem solved! ------------- 👣 Steve http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4057&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1986&yrend=1986" rel="nofollow - 86 Barefoot Nautique 89 Martinique Former Owner: 93 Hydrodyne 350 MAG |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: July-28-2009 at 8:32pm
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I'm not entirely convinced on the cable start. That's how I learned and I thought it was tough. I'll also argue that tumble ups on the 5 foot rope are much harder than right off the boom, at least for me. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: 86BFN
Date Posted: July-28-2009 at 9:02pm
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I'm also a big fan of Mike Sipel's ez-footer. I know some are not, but it prevents falls and also solves the starting problem. ------------- 👣 Steve http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4057&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1986&yrend=1986" rel="nofollow - 86 Barefoot Nautique 89 Martinique Former Owner: 93 Hydrodyne 350 MAG |
Posted By: WakeSlayer
Date Posted: July-28-2009 at 11:06pm
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They have a harder time tumbling up cause of those hips that we love!!
That and the upper body strength required to pull yourself around. I like the kneeboard idea but that also has it's challenges. I have seen pics of the EZfooters, but never used one. I am not sure mechanically preventing falls is the best way to go about it. Probably fine but once or twice but that could become a crutch really easy. How about Dawg Paws? Those are a great tool. Once someone is ready for the rope, I think swingouts are the easiest. ------------- Mike N 1968 Mustang |
Posted By: scottb
Date Posted: July-28-2009 at 11:16pm
| This is the way that I do it to help my wife get around on the tumble up. First, I accelerate enough so that the spray is past her, and then when she starts to swing around, I let off the throttle enough that it actually gives her a little momentum to get the rest of the way around. After she gets her feet in front of her, I speed up to barefoot speed. This has worked for me for teaching a few women. |
Posted By: jrmcmich
Date Posted: July-29-2009 at 12:21am
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Is there a way to try and learn barefooting without a boom? I have kink of wanted to try but dont have a clue what to do and how fast to go. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4554 - 1994 Sport |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: July-29-2009 at 12:35am
Yes there is, long line step off, the way some of us old schoolers learned. 
The kneeboard way is the best way I've taught, both boom and long line. But what I've seen lately is replacing the kneeboard with a wakeboard, minus the bindings. It's easier to get up on, and doesn't porpoise like the kneeboard does. ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
jrmcmich wrote:Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: July-29-2009 at 12:53pm
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I've watched many females fail on the boom tumble up as well. A loose suit has lots of drag. The more padding the better.
Slalom ski step off right on the boom FTW. ------------- |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: July-31-2009 at 10:34pm
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Ok here's my take with a few answers:
first if you want to stick with tumble up: teach them to twist pointing the knees away from the direction of spin, this gets them onto the trailing hip and picks up the leading hip, the "natural position" is to try on the wrong hip which digs in and causes defeat of the feet. girls don't normally have the upper body to do it wrong(guys can pull it off but its still wrong). Next don't discount the value of the swing(ezfooter) since barefooting is so much about confidence and fun the swing can ease them into footing so you don't get the quitter syndrome...they will come back wanting more...swing em they will love it, no falls easy flying gets them used to planting and spray and speed and gets them hooked on footing...then ease them along to either a tumble up or cable start, or use the wakeboard...a boom is pretty much essential unless you've got a really exceptional he-girl twice as strong as most.(who wants her in the boat anyway?) be patient let them stay in the swing don't rush things, just let them develope, if you rush her into a faceplant you may make her gunshy about any more footing and just create one more wakeboarder! ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: July-31-2009 at 10:45pm
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I like to teach longline on the wakeboard. There are tons of people on our ski team that have learned on the boom.....they all have poor form from it. Teaching off of the wakeboard forces the correct form. Most falls are slow when they are digging their feet in (a tough crash on the boom). Once they have done it long line a couple times you can take them back to the boom to tune them up.
Tim ------------- |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: August-01-2009 at 4:26pm
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Tim, If they have poor form it's not their fault it's the teachers. They're depending on you for good instruction no matter how they're attempting to learn.
I don't see any benefit to teaching long line if you have access to a boom. Not everyones a tough guy, one bad crash and they may never try again. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: GlassSeeker
Date Posted: August-01-2009 at 5:22pm
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I'm glad you said it 81Nautique, Tim must be really "old school"
embrace the technology, it helps, going longline does not give you good form. When someone is on the boom it's easy to see, talk and fix their form. longline you may as well just tell them "good luck, you're on your own". ------------- This is the life |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: August-01-2009 at 5:49pm
I just don't have the time to commit 5 days a week to the ski team.... Sorry that I like to teach longline.... yes the boom works good but plenty of people get smacked real good on the boom. Like I said...most falls are slow on the kneeboard/wakeboard. Tim ------------- |