offset alignment
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Printed Date: November-17-2024 at 10:40pm
Topic: offset alignment
Posted By: ryanowen
Subject: offset alignment
Date Posted: August-20-2009 at 5:01pm
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Ok, so the drive shaft is in and so is the engine. The alignment is pretty close but not close enough as it's slightly offset. Up and down seems pretty straighforward, but side movement doesn't look like it would be as easy. Any tricks you guys care to share or is it easier than I'm expecting? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3284 - 1988 Ski Nautique |
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Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-20-2009 at 5:27pm
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It helps to have a tiny bit of grease on the horizontal pins of the engine mounts. It's definately a place though where more is not better; too much grease and it won't stay where you put it while you bolt it down.
I wrap an old towel around a crow bar to shift the engine left to right. Did you run your engine mounts through a wire brush? If they're rusty, it'll make your project that much harder. I would also consider new isolators if you haven't. They're a PITA too but make a big difference. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: August-20-2009 at 5:34pm
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Some blaster on your mounts the night before works well. Then lube them up with never-sieze before moving them.
I don't use a crow bar....a wrench works good, a crow bar makes it bind where you can stick a wrench in and not bind it up. Once you get it close lightly tighten one side and load the other to get it perfect. Its a good two person job. ------------- |
Posted By: ryanowen
Date Posted: August-20-2009 at 5:46pm
Greg, Thanks for the reply. Are you talking about hitting the horizontal pins and the hole they go in with a wire brush? If so, I did not. They don't look too rusty from the outside, but I guess they could be worse on the inside. What are you prying against with the crow bar? I hadn't considered new isolators either... wish I would have though now! I might have to hold off until next year on those. They don't look too bad right now, but they are 20 years old and probably could stand to be replaced. Thanks! Ryan ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3284 - 1988 Ski Nautique |
BuffaloBFN wrote:Posted By: ryanowen
Date Posted: August-20-2009 at 5:49pm
Tim, Blaster sounds like a good idea. I'll definitely give them a shot. What do you mean about sticking a wrench in? I'm not following how that would work... Thanks! Ryan ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3284 - 1988 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: ryanowen
Date Posted: August-20-2009 at 5:50pm
My wife isn't going to be happy to hear that!  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3284 - 1988 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: August-20-2009 at 5:58pm
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Ryan-
Take an open end wrench (about 3/4 or so) and put it around the round rods that support the tranny. You can then move them left/right to get the back of the engine to move. I usually just load one side and then lightly tap the opposite with a mallet to get it to move. Its tough to explain.....are you understanding? ------------- |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-20-2009 at 6:12pm
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I have to wonder if PB blaster is good for rubber. Don't be upset with me Tim.
You have the same year boat as I do so I would expect the engine mounts to be the same or similar. The front is all aluminum except for the base and the rears have a steel trundle. I ran mine through a a wire brush on a grinder. Got 'em cleaned up and then repainted. I use the crow bar against the base of the engine mount as I didn't want to scratch the new bilge...still scratched the brackets a little even with the towel. I'm no Eric Levine, but I have had to re-align the BFN a few times. <--mostly because of the mistakes I had already made. LOL On the isolators, do consider it. They don't cost much except that you already have the engine in place. How did you set it? The engine only has to lifted a tiny bit to get the mounts apart. Speaking of hard rubber, you wouldn't believe what I went through to r&r the old isolators. I had to use a razor knife to cut the old ones out. They were there for 20 years and wanted to stay! This post is gonna be easy to hack, but I fiddled and futzed until I got it right. I'm standing by my wine glass on the dash statement even though wine has not been on the boat. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: ryanowen
Date Posted: August-20-2009 at 6:13pm
I think so... so you are prying with the wrench on one side of the tranny and then tapping the support on the other side of the tranny with a mallet to help walk it over? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3284 - 1988 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-20-2009 at 6:14pm
LMAO!!! I know I'm gonna get hammered so...  ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-20-2009 at 6:23pm
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Tim is dead on about the mallet. The mounts will tend to 'push'. Tap 'em back. They won't go far, but when we're talking about .003" clearance... ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-20-2009 at 6:26pm
Is this because of you pulling the engine to clean the bilge? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: August-20-2009 at 6:36pm
I was talking about the pins the engine slides port/starbord on, not the rubber parts 
I just feel like you can work with the wrench easier than the crow bar.... Tim ------------- |
Posted By: ryanowen
Date Posted: August-20-2009 at 6:46pm
Cherry picker to get the motor in place. I'm getting kind of anxious to get this thing going again, but I'll re-consider the isolators. Where did you get them? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3284 - 1988 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-20-2009 at 6:46pm
That's it Pete, there was this little spot and there isn't a 1/2" under the back of my transmission. And just how would you act if it wasn't quite right?
I so hate that I couldn't bring my boat to GL...you would've been proud! I still have to work on the 'top side', but I learned so much here and the Godfather gave me a leg up on getting it back to way it left the factory. 
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Posted By: ryanowen
Date Posted: August-20-2009 at 6:55pm
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Posted By: ryanowen
Date Posted: August-20-2009 at 7:04pm
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Greg,
Now that I know you repainted your mounts, I'm kind of ashamed to post this! Curious though if the mounts are similar.. 
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Posted By: Fl Inboards
Date Posted: August-20-2009 at 7:10pm
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Having worked with Mr. Steve Meloon (has since past away) and Art Cozier for nearly 20 years. I learned about precise alignment and what impacts miss or mal-aligned couplers can have on performance and longevity of components.
One thing that I have never been able to do is accurately describe the process to someone that has never done it. One of those things that needs to be witnessed before tackling for the first time. Also would like to try and understand how to use a wrench instead of a prybar. Always open to new tactics!!  ------------- Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise. 1993 Shamrock "fat" 20. 2008 Nautique 196 5.0 |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-20-2009 at 8:22pm
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I follow you Jody. I've expended some harsh language and nuckle skin to learn it...with a lot of help from this site! I had Tim laughing about having most of my engine apart on the dock, so give it a run Ryan. After about 3 nasty words you'll have it.
Same set-up. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-20-2009 at 10:09pm
Jody, Have you ever seen Eric's pictorial thread on alignment? I think it's pretty good. http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6037&KW=alignment&PID=58701&title=span-classhighlightalignment-span#58701 - Eric's alignment We've directed many a new person to alignment to the thread and they don't seem to have a problem with it. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Randy_in_Ohio
Date Posted: August-21-2009 at 2:04am
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Where the heck is Eric anyway???...
Probably sporting around in my favorite shirt (that he stole from GL!) 
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Posted By: saffer
Date Posted: August-21-2009 at 4:28am
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hey man
I used a car jack on the side of the motor and it moved in tiny as you want incraments. ------------- If you can't be rich, you gotta be clever!  Wonder if I'm either right now.
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Posted By: Fl Inboards
Date Posted: August-21-2009 at 7:09pm
Yes very nice pictures and all but like I said most don't really get the idea until they have seen it done. Have seen and talked to many people that claim they know how to install a prop and then when they call me back and or bring the boat for vibration it usally turns out to be riding on the key! We do about three full alignments and checks per week. I have had to use a small porta power jack in bigger cruiser type inboards to realign. Walter V-drives also is an art to re-align as one has to think from the other end of the motor to align the coupler. Now my 10* Casale V-drive is rather fun one as everything is hard-mounted to the stringer and thru bolted. Takes better part of a morning to align and set one up. ------------- Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise. 1993 Shamrock "fat" 20. 2008 Nautique 196 5.0 |
Posted By: ryanowen
Date Posted: August-23-2009 at 1:41am
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Man alive. This thing won't budge sideways for me. I've soaked it with PB. I even tried picking up on it with the cherry picker to take some pressure off the horizontal pins. It was off about 1/4 inch and I've moved it about 1/8 but it won't go any further. Didn't want to have to take it back out, but it looks like I might have to. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3284 - 1988 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: August-23-2009 at 11:58am
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Randy, Im saving that shirt for the colder weather
Ryan, did you remove the pinch bolts, yours look pretty clean and i wouldnt think you would have a problem with them ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-23-2009 at 1:39pm
He's got my coozie too! ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-23-2009 at 1:44pm
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And now we get back to crow bars... ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: ryanowen
Date Posted: August-23-2009 at 2:22pm
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Eric,
I didn't remove the pinch bolts completely, but I did loosen them by tapping them back down. Do they need to come completely out? The only thing I can think to do next is pull the engine out and remove and clean up these pins. Greg, The 3 foot crow bar isn't even moving this thing! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3284 - 1988 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: August-23-2009 at 3:21pm
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Greg - If you support the engine, I think you can just remove the stubborn mount without fully pulling the engine. Then you can un-bind the mount on your workbench & re-install. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-23-2009 at 3:36pm
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Ryan,
The pinch bolts don't need to come completely out. They simply squeeze the block around the round pin. Sounds like they are really rusted in there but it's common. Chris is correct, that you really don't need to pull the engine just tilt one end at a time. However, if you already have it hanging from the engine lift, it may be easier. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-23-2009 at 6:51pm
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If the bilge needs cleaning...
What Pete said, and if the crow bar isn't enough we have to figure whats up. I have to hold the bar until I tighten the pinch bolts or it moves on its own. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: August-23-2009 at 7:05pm
I knew Pete would never believe that your bilge was dirty. Goes back to what I said before...you needed to do that floor with plexi-glass so we all could check 'er out. john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-23-2009 at 7:42pm
Hey John, What's up with your signature line and the vertical scrolling feature on the right hand side? Now, please understand that our computer skills (as well as our age!!) are on about the same level so I'm not coming down on you. Have you been playing around and somehow copied/pasted something into your signature you shouldn't have? BTW, I love working Greg over on his bilge!!! I'm not as meticulous as he is!!!! He once threatened to come to look at my shop - MG, if that happened, I'd have to spend 2 weeks of organizing and cleaning!!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-23-2009 at 9:23pm
Keep on and see where it gets you!
And what the heck do you think I'll be doing with my spare time before the hoochy run? Yep, cleaning up the messes Amy makes before everyone gets here. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-23-2009 at 9:25pm
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BTW...I luv it when i get a workover from Pete?!!? ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: ryanowen
Date Posted: August-23-2009 at 11:46pm
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Got it.
Had to pick the engine back out and literally hammer the pins out. Three out of four were so corroded in place that they would never have budged. Cleaned them up, gave them a shot of anti-seize, and got it aligned. Got within .001 and figured that was just going to have to work for now. Man alive, that project sucked! Sure am learning a lot throughout this project. Almost makes me want to do it again to see how much better it would go the second time around.... almost. Thanks again gents for the tips! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3284 - 1988 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: August-24-2009 at 12:07am
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Ryan,
Congrats!!!! Now pass on the info to friends/family or anyone else who can benefit from your help. You know how to do it - pass it on!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: August-24-2009 at 12:11am
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I have no idea why my sig line does that Pete as you might guess...
BTW...our new "friend" over on the carb thread is really giving it to you. He is an equal opurtunity abuser. I won't post on there again but I am watching. Wonder how long Keith is gonna leave him on. john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: ryanowen
Date Posted: August-24-2009 at 12:20am
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Pete,
I will definitely be lending a hand in the future. Hopefully I can save someone else some time. Should have cleaned those pins up first thing. Live and learn, right!? Jbear, You might have some extra carriage returns in your sig. And I agree on the loud pipes BTW! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3284 - 1988 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: August-24-2009 at 12:57am
You think this is why Greg took the pumpkin patch apart so many times? Maybe he was learning so much and having so much fun? Thanks for the tip Ryan but not sure how to get rid of these return things..even if I knew what they were! john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: ryanowen
Date Posted: August-24-2009 at 11:48am
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John,
To fix it, edit your signature and remove the blanks lines at the bottom with either the backspace or delete key. The carriage returns are just characters that are created with the "return" or "enter" key. Ryan ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3284 - 1988 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: August-24-2009 at 1:36pm
I had some fun to be sure. If yall knew the whole story you'd really laugh at me! John, all that is mostly 'cause I didn't do it right the first time. Like Jody mentioned on another post...so very much is in the experience. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: August-25-2009 at 1:38am
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Thanks Ryan...got it. I am always impressed by the computer know-how on here.
The "loud pipes" saying is actually a Harley saying..you got a bike...or just like loud boat pipes? john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: ryanowen
Date Posted: August-25-2009 at 11:32am
John, I'm always in and out of motorcycles. I don't have a bike right now... sold my 06 Fat Boy a couple months ago. Loud as hell with the cam and pipes that were on it. Had a Road Glide before that, nice bike but the fairing was too low and too far forward for me and the buffeting beat the crap out of me on trips. My next bike will most likely be a Road King, probably pick it up over the winter. The wife says no bike shopping until she gets a ride in my finished boat... Fair enough. She probably figures with another distraction I might never finish this project... I hate it when she's right!
What are you riding? Ryan ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3284 - 1988 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: August-25-2009 at 11:19pm
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'96 Heritage Softail Classic. Awesome ride. My brother (who only lurks) rides a newer Road King. Rode it a few times...very nice. Started with a Sportster with a Screaming Eagle kit. Scary fast...but not the bike to ride with Patti. Ride year-round here as well as boat but still do not get to ride enough. Last bike. Will not ever sell it.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |