Skiied behind a Malibu tonite
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Topic: Skiied behind a Malibu tonite
Posted By: lonestar
Subject: Skiied behind a Malibu tonite
Date Posted: August-27-2009 at 12:10am
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I had a chance to ski behind a Malibu tonite and drive it for a bit while the owner was skiing. I was impressed with the amount of power the boat had to get you out of the water, kinda felt like my arms were going to pop off. It also easily hits the 50 mph mark. When we got to the course and I was driving I was surprised how much the boat pulled left and right as we went through the course. I will run my boat tomorrow 1988 sn 2001 and compare the two but im pretty sure that the Nautique dosent move around even close what the 2004 Malibu was. Dont get me wrong its a fine boat but given the choice Im gonna run the nautique,, at least till its time to fill the gas tank again.
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Posted By: MartyMabe
Date Posted: August-27-2009 at 12:45am
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So, better torque then or all in how it's proped?Are there any fins on a Malibu? Oh,by the way Lonestar-- fix your locationPlease.Thanks ------------- 66 Skylark http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5041" rel="nofollow - 93 SN If you're not living in NC, you're just camping out! |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: August-27-2009 at 1:11am
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Your 2001 is a fine boat, but I bet you will find that there is no comparison between the Malibu slalom wake and the wake on your 2001. I've skied behind a few malibus, new ones and going back to the late 90s models and the slalom wake has always been impressive. I dont think SN was there until the 90 to 96 hull. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Luchog
Date Posted: August-27-2009 at 1:54am
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there has been a lot of improvements in boats over that 16 year gap between the two boats you're comparing... ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2095" rel="nofollow - 1980 Ski Nautique Commander 351W |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: August-27-2009 at 2:22am
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Malibus are terrific. Awesome, versatile wakes (that are also good for barefooting, cough), good, quick and light handling. Definitely worse tracking than equivalent year SNs but that is due to a completely different hull design philosophy. In stock form they will generally stomp stock CCs in acceleration and top speed. There are a lot of good things about them, but they are just not for me. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: Terp
Date Posted: August-27-2009 at 3:25am
Why is this? Lighter boat? Engine differences? |
M3Fan wrote:Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: August-27-2009 at 10:03am
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A little crack in the dam? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: August-27-2009 at 10:14am
The hulls generally ride very high on the water due to a very flat bottom and lots of lifting strakes. They also plane out fairly nose-high- the tracking fins on an RLXi are probably 3ft further back on the hull than a 196. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: lonestar
Date Posted: August-27-2009 at 10:20am
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Posted By: lonestar
Date Posted: August-27-2009 at 10:34am
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I guess my thought was that for a 16 year difference in age the Malbu would have tracked equal to or better than the Nautique. Im not trying to bash the Malibu, it really could get up and go, just making a comparison on the tracking . ------------- lonestar |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: August-27-2009 at 11:30am
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If it had an extra fin "added", it was most likely a Sportster, Malibu's base/value model which is no longer in production. Arguably the best new boat value out there in its day. The Sportster came stock with 2 tracking fins. A 3rd fin could be added as an option. Of all the Malibus you could have driven, that particular model is one of the worst tracking models. That said, if it were dialed in it could be set up to track very well.
Brand new you could get a Sporty with trailer for around or under 20 grand back in the day. Quite a value. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: 65 'cuda
Date Posted: August-27-2009 at 3:39pm
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There is a sportster at our lake, I couldn't comment on tracking, I've not driven it, but that little boat is a rocket, pulls really hard! ------------- Gary http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=941" rel="nofollow - 1965 Barracuda SS |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: August-27-2009 at 4:04pm
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We've got an '03 Sportster and I think it's a great boat for blasting around the lake and the novice skiing and BFing that we do. It was never a tournament boat. We've got the 3rd tracking fin and the steering is set up with a lot of load on it. You can't let go of the wheel once you get up to 34 mph. It tracks well, but nothing like the '08 SN196 I rode in last fall at an INT event.
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Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: August-27-2009 at 5:05pm
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IMHO a comparable year Response has a better slalom wake then my particular 206 however the Bu tracking and ride is horrible in comparison. Like Joel said, they are not bad boats just not for me. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: August-27-2009 at 5:26pm
Why? Because they don't offer the 18" taller trick/air pylon for you to sit on? ------------- |
Posted By: Fl Inboards
Date Posted: August-27-2009 at 6:08pm
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Malibu!!!
Well if I can't say nothin nice about em, I wont say nothin at all!!  ------------- Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise. 1993 Shamrock "fat" 20. 2008 Nautique 196 5.0 |
Posted By: lonestar
Date Posted: August-28-2009 at 12:16am
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Ya you are right again. Its an 04 that came with 2 fins and had the third added. The boat is a rocket but what the hell is the deal with the steering ? If I let go of the wheel the thing pulls hard right and I mean hard at almost any speed. The guy says it came like that new but I dont see how somebody could build any machine and want a response like that to occur . ------------- lonestar |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: August-28-2009 at 12:26pm
Rudders can be ground on one side to create a steering pre-load. This will help keep the boat straight in the course by tightening up the steering. Most slalom boats either have an adjustable rudder (99+ Nautiques, 05+ Bus, MCs) or have the rudder ground to achieve this pre-load. Typically a left-turn preload is added. My rudder is adjusted such that if I let go of the wheel at speed it would spin out. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: August-28-2009 at 1:40pm
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The barefoot crowd loves Sportsters. ------------- |
Posted By: skierox
Date Posted: August-28-2009 at 9:45pm
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This has been fun to read. We have one Malibu response on our cabin lake where our 1999 Python is located and Pauly-Banana's 1983 with my brother (Steve's) Super Sport. The Malibu is a nice looking 1993 and is really quiet not loud while pulling for barefooting! Only issue that they have with their engine is a plastic water non-rubber impellar burning out at high speed. We watched once while they were footing (lots of smoke) from the engine overheating while getting up to speed. We use my 1999 Ski Nautique Python also for barefooting. Having the 502 Python blows away any competion on our lake that also includes the smallest wake, most torque and fastest speed and much, much more. We take second in one category when compared to the Malibu! The Python sound is much louder, but most people think it sounds like a Harley coming down the path (and that's a cool thing)!
Lonestar, the owner of the malibu has pulled seven skiers on two skis behind his boat and Pauly has pulled ten out of the water on two skis with his 1983! Keep in mind, Pauly is running an Acme 540 prop that actually shot out of the whole better than my 1989 Ski Nautique 1:23 gear reduced transmission. We ran this test with our boats side by side just before I sold my 1989 WHICH WAS NOT A PERFECT TEST! I would get the Acme 540 prop if you plan to do any hole shots against the Malibu. Enjoy the fun, but I can say that on our lake with eight Nautiques from 1980-2005 and one Malibu, one Master Craft and one Chris Craft, we rule the lake with the boat numbers and the Python as insurance to help keep the power on our side! We like the fact that the owner of 1993 Malibu does not believe his boat will pull ten skiers out of the water. He refuses to try! I guess that he is a little intimidated by our 1983! Keep in mind that the Malibu owners helped participate as skiers in the ten out of the water. Lots of fun and respect between us and them! At least they use their Malibu for some solid skiing and not tubing! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=4101 - Former Owner of 89 Nautique /diaries/details.asp?ID=4100 - My 05 Nautique /diaries/details.asp?ID=4099 - My 99 Nautique |
Posted By: lonestar
Date Posted: August-28-2009 at 11:02pm
Thats exactly how this thing is set up. If you let go of the wheel it spins out, I had know idea till now why you would want that but it makes sense. You learn something new every day round here. ------------- lonestar |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: August-29-2009 at 12:08am
I'm curious, Is your preload left because of a RH prop? If you had a LH prop would you want to preload to the right? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: August-29-2009 at 12:23am
I pre-load left because I hold the wheel with my left hand on my knee. Just slight pressure is all it takes to hold on to the wheel with it torquing left. As for the 1993 Malibu- Malibu did not really come into its own until the late 90's. It's not really fair to compare an early 90's or late 80's Malibu to anything else. They were really not in the ballgame at that point in time. Rest assured that Python would be fair game for a newer Malibu with a similar HP motor- maybe the Hammerhead or the Vette motor. Maybe even the monsoon. The TSC hull is just too slow. My buddy's completely stock RLXi does nearly 47 on the GPS, and that's a huge boat. it's all about lift and getting that nose out of the water. As a general rule, if you are a CC guy don't pull the "acceleration" or "top speed" card out on a Malibu. CC has lots of traits that I feel are superior to Malibu, but not these two. I've learned this from hundreds of hours in the drivers seats of both brands. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: dip
Date Posted: August-29-2009 at 1:25am
| I slalom ski with about 8 guys, 7 of whom have Malibus and one that has a 2004 Pro Star 197. I'm the one Nautique. Of course they are all Malibu crazy the way I'm Correct Craft crazy. My observations are that they are very fine slalom boats, but do not have near the fit and finish of a Nautique. I am on my fourth Nautique, having had an 80, 83, 89 and for the past 12 years, a 93. The Malibu LX's I ski behind are between 2000 and 2005's, and yet they all compare to my 93 in the features and wake. They have much more get up and go then my 5.8 Pro Boss though. The MC has nice fit and finish, but does not drive or ski as well as the Malibus (or, in my opinion my SN). As nice as the Malibus are, my next boat, without question, will still be a Nautique. |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: September-01-2009 at 12:35pm
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I do have to add on the drivetrain of the MC's, if you really wanted to on most models you could spin a righty or a lefty prop because of the full power forward transmissions, not that it would matter but from a transmission standpoint they are far superior than what CC uses. when you crack 60k for a boat you should have a 5000.00 transmission in it, not a 1200.00 one.
moot point but something to think about, they use the ZF 630 and 450, its a rolls royce, compared to a KIA....plus more $$ to rebuild lol really though, nice power packages in the competition. I dont know what the future holds for CC, if i knew nothing at all about ski boats and just the mechanicals at this point not being biased at all, from a mechanical standpoint with 60k in hand....i would drop it on the MC. dont take that the wrong way, ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: September-01-2009 at 12:58pm
Exactly the way they think! A stack of recalls and a dashboard falling off won't make a difference either... "It's a MasterCraft!" ------------- |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: September-01-2009 at 1:13pm
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$60K on a ski boat.
I still do not understand who is buying these. Lets see here... I can buy an engine for $10k and the tranny for $1200. Call it $15k to make the boat go with the shaft, prop, strut, fins, controls, and gauges. Now add $45K for a hull and some seats??? I feel that the family sport of watersports will price itself out.... Tim PS- Slalomed behind a Malibu LXI last night. Wake was soft but seemed bigger than my 2001. Water was crappy and I did not have a great driver. ------------- |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: September-01-2009 at 5:25pm
Shocking. Both generations of Response LXIs and the first Sunsetter LXI have TERRIFIC wakes. Among the best of the best. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: September-02-2009 at 12:33pm
Well due to a crappy driver it was only two passes down the course so my take on it may be flawed. ------------- |
Posted By: Fl Inboards
Date Posted: September-02-2009 at 1:03pm
Not to quip about your post and maybe I am reading it incorrectly but why do we call the Hurth transmissions throw away transmissions? They are very expensive to rebuild and the 630 is a notorious leaker. All my experiance with Hurth stuff has been bad. currently I have a 1:1 PCM in behind a 600 hp plus 502 in my flat and this thing seems to be bullit proof. As far as superior power packages in the competition well I would have to really disagree on that one especially since I see more broke down Indmars then PCM's. Eric come on down to where our boats are used and we put 350 plus hours on them each year you too will see the difference. Truly PCM has the clear advantage over their competition. Also I do have a nice 98 Malibu reponse on the lot that I have not yet been able to give away,,,Any takers?? ------------- Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise. 1993 Shamrock "fat" 20. 2008 Nautique 196 5.0 |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: September-02-2009 at 4:45pm
I do have a nice 98 Malibu reponse on the lot that I have not yet been able to give away What's the give away price? ------------- |
Posted By: Fl Inboards
Date Posted: September-02-2009 at 5:38pm
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$10,500.00 on a Malibu Aluminum trailer. ------------- Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise. 1993 Shamrock "fat" 20. 2008 Nautique 196 5.0 |
Posted By: lonestar
Date Posted: September-03-2009 at 2:00am
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Got out to ski tonite again behind the malibu. This time there were four of us. Extreme difference in the tracking, the sportster didnt move an inch either way while going down the course. I was taken back by how much more easy the boat drove with the extra weight. ------------- lonestar |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: September-03-2009 at 10:22am
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it was unbiased and not affiliated with manufacturers, they use the 630 and 450 in 30 footers, dollar for dollar i always spend more on parts for the pcm transmission than any other trans, when they break they break and alot of times its cheaper to buy new when they do break.
I gues i look at it from a rebuilders point of view, i have a shelf full of pcm's, mostly a graveyard and the main reason is they absolutely cannot handle water inside them for extended periods. i see the other 95% out there....the ones that know absolutely nothing about boats or there workings ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: September-03-2009 at 10:28am
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Jodi, that's considerably less than a same year CC would go for isn't it? My guess is Nautique owns the FLA market. In New England it is Malibu by far. I'd say the way they distribute and market them has more to do with it than percieved quality or performance.
I like a Velvet Drive better than Hurths or a PCM. Those Hurths are noisey. ------------- |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: September-03-2009 at 11:42am
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stuckey's in Arkansas, says he will take 75k for the new Corvette boat ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: September-03-2009 at 12:52pm
Could be the dealer too Bruce. Although I have never dealt with either, I hear more good about East Coast Flightcraft than I do NECC, unfortunately. (I stopped in ECFC one day a year or so ago to kill some time, and your name came up pretty quickly as a Malibu guy (that also happens to own a vintage CC...before you had the Classic) With Jody talking about the 98 Response (one of the better looking boats out there, in my mind) I took a look at the ECFC site to see if they had any. They dont. Just a bunch of newer wake boats that look like tanks to me. I just wouldnt care to have so much boat. They did have the old FC advertised too. This is from when Malibu first bought FC and just slapped their name on the old FC hull. I really liked the original FCs, lean and low. Wouldnt you think they would at least wash the scum off this to sell it, even if it is a consignment.  ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: September-03-2009 at 1:07pm
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Larry, ECFC does a good job with both the sales and the warranty. The guy you talked to, Keith Murphy is a great guy. If he was selling Correct Crafts in '03, no doubt my '03 would be a SN. He tried selling Correct Crafts in Maine before Malibus and it didn't work out. He had a boat just like Tim's 90 at the Cumberland County CC one year.
I don't know why they'd post that picture of a dirty boat. Unless it was a private sale, it did not go out the door like that. Larry, when are you going to sign up for LG? ------------- |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: September-03-2009 at 4:53pm
We are half planning on coming, Bruce, just not in a postion to commit right now. If we do make it, it will have to be a last minute decision. If you do go up to Orono, it sounds like we might be on a similar schedule. I am guessing I might be going by Worcester about 4-5 PM. Is that close to your schedule? Also sounded like harddock might be on the Friday PM schedule too. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: September-03-2009 at 6:18pm
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I'll be getting back to Portland around 3:00, so in that case we won't get there until 8:00 PM, unless he can get out earlier. This year, I think I'll go through Lebanon, NH, and not Mass, but I've got to look into that. It's 5 hours going through Worcester, maybe a little less going up 93/89. I hope you and Thomas can make it. ------------- |