1987 sn 2001
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Category: Repairs and Maintenance
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Printed Date: January-15-2025 at 12:46pm
Topic: 1987 sn 2001
Posted By: YooperSully
Subject: 1987 sn 2001
Date Posted: November-01-2009 at 12:22pm
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Looking for pictures of the 1987 2001, They need to be in reference to OEM. I'm re flooring and stringing in the spring. My boat was done once before and I don't want to be forced into the previous errors. Does anyone have pictures showing the factory stringer placement? I did read through the "Pumpkin Patch" post but that was a BFN. Any OEM pics of any part of your boat would be much appreciated. I've also noticed a lot of other things that seemed out of place that I would like to address. I agree with Original but with 20+ years of engineering and technology advances, why not harness the power? James Bond would even be amazed when I'm done. ------------- 87' 2001 |
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Posted By: form&function
Date Posted: November-01-2009 at 12:52pm
| 82 through 88 had the same stringer layout with the 89 only differing in the through hull area so any pics of a 2001 will show you what you need.Even though there are a lot of original type people on this site most will tell you the 2001 can stand some improvements.If I where you I would look through the threads and develop a game plan to fit your specific needs. |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: November-01-2009 at 10:57pm
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I would try replace the wood and use some composites for stringers....just look around here with the search engine..lots of info... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: anthonylizardi
Date Posted: November-01-2009 at 11:42pm
| You definitely want to Bill's "Skibum" rebuild of his 87 SN. Do a search around this website but better yet check http://www.freewebs.com/billsboatworks/ - Bill's Website |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: November-01-2009 at 11:44pm
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I don't see a problem putting wood back in, JUST DON'T PUT THAT FOAM CRAP BACK IN!!!!!
Heres my '85 project I'm about to try to finish it up soon.(got side tracked with a new garage). http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13341&KW=and+so+it+begins&PID=153268&title=span-classhighlightand-span-span-classhighlightso-span-span-classhighlightit-span-span-classhighlightbegins-span#153268 - http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13341&KW=and+so+it+begins&PID=153268&title=span-classhighlightand-span-span-classhighlightso-span-span-classhighlightit-span-span-classhighlightbegins-span#153268 |
Posted By: YooperSully
Date Posted: November-02-2009 at 12:44pm
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believe me I'v searched, but haven't found completely what I'm looking for. Gun do you have any more pics of the original stringer layout, and Anthony thanks for the link. I was searching for that site but coming up dead. Need Picture Of Original Stringer Layout and Design All Others Need Not Apply ------------- 87' 2001 |
Posted By: form&function
Date Posted: November-02-2009 at 1:03pm
| What in the hell are you talking about?The post^^^ clearly shows a factory install along with hundreds of other threads on this forum.Not to mention when you take your boat apart your going to have a original layout in your lap.Maybe explain better what your looking for and people will post it. |
Posted By: YooperSully
Date Posted: November-02-2009 at 1:11pm
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http://www.correctcraftboats.com/pnuploads/page04_186.jpg ------------- 87' 2001 |
Posted By: YooperSully
Date Posted: November-02-2009 at 1:15pm
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your losing your form and your function may follow, My boat is not original it was hap-hazzardly redone in 2005. Yes there is a lot of pictures but not ones that show all the angles i'm looking for. My post clearly states that I'm looking for pictures, not your page wasting comments and attitude. I really think this site needs to purge it's posts of useless comments. I'm not going to log 40 hours of search for the 6 or so pics I need. So do me any other person looking for info a favor, Delete your old posts that are irrelevant to the post. ------------- 87' 2001 |
Posted By: Air206
Date Posted: November-02-2009 at 2:16pm
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Yooper:
I don't think you understand how the site runs. This site is not run or funded by Correct Craft. Keith doesn't have access to old Correct Craft blueprints or plans and is not the keeper of Correct Craft archives. The folks who post here are not paid by CC. They try to help other folks who own Correct Crafts by sharing their collected knowledge and reference information they have individually amassed. It isn't a paid support website. The folks here will try to help as best they can. But at CCFan, just as in life, there are great friends, helpful people, people who ramble, people who don't stay on task and people who are frustrated. Just hang tough... sounds like you have time to prepare. This site will be your best shot at getting it right. Look forward to seeing how the project comes along..... I'm going to need to do that for my CC in the future....... and I could use the insights at that time.  ------------- https://tinyurl.com/y6t5e3bu" rel="nofollow - 04 Air206 http://tinyurl.com/9urzgls" rel="nofollow - 91 Barefoot 78 SkiTiq |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-02-2009 at 2:17pm
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Roger.
This link you posted http://www.correctcraftboats.com/pnuploads/page04_186.jpg%20 - http://www.correctcraftboats.com/pnuploads/page04_186.jpg is the brochure showing the composite stringer system so it's not representative of your boat. Start cutting the floor out and we'll be able to tell how much modification the PO did to the stringers. Sorry you aren't finding some of the posts in the threads relevent to your needs. Just skip over them!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: November-02-2009 at 2:30pm
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For some reason I cant post pictures right now, but I have a floor blueprint for the 2001's that I copied from this site a while back. If you want to send me your email I will forward it on to you.
chris.mars@simpson.edu ------------- |
Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: November-02-2009 at 2:32pm
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http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs100.snc3/16766_520262373600_72900869_30884871_5633847_n.jpg - This might work so you get an idea of what I'm talking about... ------------- |
Posted By: form&function
Date Posted: November-02-2009 at 4:50pm
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Sorry if I offended but you came off kind of rude turning your nose up (all others need not apply)at good information that is very relavent to your boat project.There is a wealth of good information on this site weather or not you intend to use it doesn't matter because all information is good to devolop a gameplan.Tips,tricks and errors others have made can save you a huge amount of time and money.
Then you come back here and leave what you have learned for the next guy. |
Posted By: YooperSully
Date Posted: November-03-2009 at 10:44am
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Thanks storm, now I just need a view of each stringer from the side.
P.S. I'm done making personal comments on here, let's keep it less garbled for easier reference. Email is rogeresullivan@yahoo.com thank you ------------- 87' 2001 |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: November-03-2009 at 11:07am
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On page two of my rebuild there is a pic of the original main and secondary stringers on the saw horses.
I still have the originals and can take better pics if you need them. |
Posted By: YooperSully
Date Posted: November-03-2009 at 11:18am
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I'm looking for the original layout so I can possibly build it out of the newer stringer design (fiberglass only). The engineering and placement of the old wood stringers is boat specific for our 2001's. I don't want to stray away from it like the previous owner has. I need to keep the framing of the hull the same but want to do this out of all fiberglass or carbon. My boat is in storage so I have no way too pull floor to let you see what i'm talking about. All I can tell you is they used a 3/4 ply for the whole floor that's de-laminating, the shaft cover support that goes stringer to stringer has been obsoleted. Now If they used 3/4 and kept the floor at the same height my stringers are now 3/4 shorter than original. My Floor around the dog house is soft cause it over hangs the stringer with no support. My shaft cover doesn't sit on the stringers which it should. Between the main and secondary the space is equal and empty from the transom up in to the floor below the dash. Another pet peeve is the low spot around the bilge that holds a gallon or so of water. So you see with out pulling the floor I know my stringer design and layout are not original. I'm looking for original pictures so when I rebuild I can address these issues. ------------- 87' 2001 |
Posted By: form&function
Date Posted: November-03-2009 at 12:11pm
| Maybe pay somebody to freight you an original.There the same side to side so you would only need one main and one floor.If you cut them in half shipping would not be that bad.I know like most I saved mine. |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: November-03-2009 at 12:49pm
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"but want to do this out of all fiberglass or carbon" - Daytrip already did a thread on how he made his out of glass
"Now If they used 3/4 and kept the floor at the same height my stringers are now 3/4 shorter than original." - My guess is that they did not lower the stringers (that would be a major PITA) but instead just added the 3/4 on top. "My shaft cover doesn't sit on the stringers which it should" - What does it sit on? "Between the main and secondary the space is equal and empty from the transom up in to the floor below the dash." - Originally there is just foam in that area. (which traps water, hence the great foam debate) "Another pet peeve is the low spot around the bilge that holds a gallon or so of water." - The drain hole/plug does sit a little higher than the rest of the bilge area due to the length of the fitting needed to be able to screw the plug into it and the extra glass to support/seal it to the hull. Hope this helps |
Posted By: YooperSully
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 10:40am
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I read Daytrip's post very interesting and informational, Difference in stringer designs though. I don't remember seeing all the notches in the top of the BFN's stringers.
Could be a possibility on the 3/4 and stringers same size as original but so much is a muck that I just don't know. I have a feeling that when I pull my floor the foam inside will silly string. My shaft cover sits on a few random wood blocks screwed into the bilge side of the stringer, On a few pics I've seen little gussets that hold the wood floor around the engine compartment, these are obsolete in mine also. I thought that there is an erea that is solid with wood between the stringers near the engine. There's no wood there? Another thing is that I believe you should be able to access the fasteners for the swim deck from in the boat. My ply floor hides my two outer mounts where I've seen on others that there's is open enough to see and work on. ------------- 87' 2001 |
Posted By: YooperSully
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 10:55am
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Has anyone ever weighed a stripped down hull? ------------- 87' 2001 |
Posted By: YooperSully
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 11:01am
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Is there such a thing as structural foam? ------------- 87' 2001 |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 11:50am
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yes there are different density foams, some for supposed floatation and some for structure, but in the case of CC's its more for flotation, these Nascar boys should chime in cause i think they use some type of foam on the turns nowadays ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: YooperSully
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 6:12pm
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Thanks Eric, Now I'm trying to figure how much glass it would take to get up to the same properties of Doug Fir. ------------- 87' 2001 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 7:04pm
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Roger,
Commercially available polyurethane foams are typically 2,4 and 6lb. per cu. ft. Beyond that then you need a mold that will withstand the pressure of overfilling the cavity. By overfilling and not allowing the foam to expand then you increase the density. Things like imitation wood cabinet doors/drawer fronts and imitation wood grain toilet seats are made with the process. I don't know if there are any specs out there to help with the structural calculations. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 7:21pm
Pete, just FYI- US Composites sells 2,3,4,8 and 16 lb foam kits. I think 4 lb and above are considered to be "structural". ------------- |
8122pbrainard wrote:Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 7:37pm
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Tim,
Thanks. Good to know the higher densities are available. I need to tune myself in to U.S. Composites more!! Roger, I don't know if this would be a good structual comparison or not but weigh a piece of fir and see if you can get a weight per cu. in. Then compare it the the foam weights per cu. in. If you went with the plan of filling the inside of your fiberglass stringers with the foam, I'd then go with a denser foam because I don't feel it would be as strong as the fir. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: uk1979
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 7:40pm
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May be worth a look at epoxy foam top one comes in at 600kg which works out around 37lb in a open mould.
Will be using it on SN number 2 http://www.sicomin.com/prod.asp?scat_num=14#product508 - Epoxy Foam ------------- Lets have a go 56 Starflite 77 SN 78 SN 80 BFN |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 8:11pm
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If you seal up a new wood stringer with CPES, won't it pretty much outlast it's owner? Or at least the repairer! Keep it simple! ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: YooperSully
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 8:44pm
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I was suprised to see that by weight 16lb vs. 2lb the flotation loss is only 1/4, 60 lbs flotation per ft3 vs. 46? per ft3 for the 16# ------------- 87' 2001 |
Posted By: YooperSully
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 8:47pm
Until you put a fastener into it. If I wanted simple i would learn to ride behind a Zodiak I try to leave everything better than I found it. ------------- 87' 2001 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 9:47pm
Rodger, If you investigate by reading other threads, you'll find that the preferred method of joining all the wood is with thickened epoxy. No fasteners. This isn't a deck you're building!! 
You also may find this book interesting reading http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0878121668/northwestmarinedA/ - gougeon brothers on boat construction If a fastener must be used, then the hole is CPES'd, epoxied and then a final 5200 seal. The Gougeon boys even take it a step farther by boring a oversize hole, filling it with epoxy/high strength filler and drilling and tapping it for a machine screw or bolt. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: YooperSully
Date Posted: November-05-2009 at 4:49am
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Rodger, If you investigate by reading other threads, you'll find that the preferred method of joining all the wood is with thickened epoxy. No fasteners. This isn't a deck you're building!!
Good, On a thought though, Our local college majors in engineering, and they race a concrete canoe. Yeah that's right a concrete canoe. Now about 8 years ago when we were doing work at the university a professor asked if we'd cut up some of the old one's with our gas saw. These canoes were fairly light for being concrete. They were roughly about 3/8 thick over all and layed up with multiple layers of glass. So by the time our boats get rebuilt by the next owners, they might be on the forums looking at how to concrete some stringers in. http://www.ricehuskash.com/Michigan%20Tech%20-%20Concrete%20Canoe%20Project.pdf - link ------------- 87' 2001 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-05-2009 at 9:39am
Concrete is used for yacht hulls too. The latex as well as other add mixes sure make it a versatile material. Keep in mind that the fiberglass is the major structural component. You can use just about any adhesive to hold the glass together as long as the bond is strong enough to keep the glass together. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |