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Topic: Nopowerturning.com
Posted By: form&function
Subject: Nopowerturning.com
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 1:01am
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Thought you guys might like this
http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/1/745320.html?1257303615 
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Posted By: 65 'cuda
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 1:56am
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Why? Educate me. ------------- Gary http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=941" rel="nofollow - 1965 Barracuda SS |
Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 2:12am
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We have a problem with boats powerturning and sending rollers down the lake. On a small lake it can really create problems on the water and on the shorelines.....Plus it's a waste of gas! ------------- |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 2:22am
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If a "powerturn" is what I have in mind, are the rollers any worse than a ballasted wake boat pulling a boarder? ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 2:36am
Not going 35-40 and spinning the boat, but slowly banking the boat and churning up the water. On our fishbowl of a lake it gets pretty nasty. I guess more specifically the reasoning is to keep wakes down on the lake. Some members were trying to alienate wake boats because they made "5 foot tall waves." (2 of 5 mentioned "wake boats" were slalom boats w/towers and an x7 lol) Our process was to educate everyone on the fact that a bayliner can create more wake than wake boats if they plow water, which many members do. ------------- |
SN206 wrote:Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 2:54am
Thanks for the explanation, I agree although it is fun from time to time, if I knew it caused a problem I never would just being a courteous boater. I could agree that just about any boat can have an effect on shoreline erosion. I have also been known to approach a wake boat or two when they have sent a wave over my bow.  I guess the above mentioned sticker / website would be a little less confrontational though.------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 3:23am
But thats the fun part! It's my second favorite past time...close behind chasing down jet ski's! ------------- |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 8:39am
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http://www.wakeworld.com/MB/Discus/messages/1/745320.html?1257303615%20 - Power turn link for Ryan
I don't get it ether!! Everyone on Wakeworld want's the stickers but there's no reason stated why they want them???!!! As stated above, maybe the "powerturn" is different than the ones I'm thinking of. A high speed powerturn does not produce large wave/wakes like a ballasted boat does!! BTW, a sticker on a windshield isn't going to change non courteous attitudes!! If it did, I'd go non original and have LARGE ones made for the sides and transom of my boats that would state "NO TUBES" ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 65 'cuda
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 10:12am
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Thanks. ------------- Gary http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=941" rel="nofollow - 1965 Barracuda SS |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 10:24am
But would'nt that discourage competitive tubing?  ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: 05 210
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 11:05am
Amongst wakeboarders,The "powerturn" is not the same as what you would consider a powerturn in a ski boat. Powerturns in ski boats is more like doing a spin on a PWC vs. powerturn in a wakeboat being like a turn you would make while towing a tube. Unless your rider is in immmediate danger there is no reason to do it.Slow down,idle boat around and return to rider.Most of the time the roller will turn the boat for you if done properly. I have seen wally skiers do this as well and if done in a ski boat the same way it would be done in a wakeboat, the end result is almost just as bad. Mike ------------- http:/diaries/details.asp?ID=2219" rel="nofollow - Air Nautique 210 Team 640 hours, not 1 regret |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 11:46am
So the wakeboarders have got their terminology mixed up. I don't know what they would call it but the powerturn (spin) has been around since the 60's. That's certainly way before the advent of wakeboarding! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 11:56am
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Pete, the terminology has evolved. The wakeboarders are right on the power turns. Skiers do them too, when they power around to pick someone up. What you call a power turn is now a "bat turn". ------------- |
Posted By: Fl Inboards
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 12:02pm
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I thought a "Bat turn" was a "Rockford"!!!
------------- Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise. 1993 Shamrock "fat" 20. 2008 Nautique 196 5.0 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 12:02pm
We called them "bat turns" way before the "power turn" was used. I've mentioned it before that it didn't take long after the Batman TV series came out that someone said something like that turn looks like how Batman turns the Batmobile around in the Batcave!!! We still call them bat turns!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: form&function
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 12:22pm
| The problem is not the powerturn,its the people who come into a secluded occupied area and proceed to powerturn while your pulling a rider.Its rude,uncalled for and generally done by people that just don't understand how much there affecting the skier.Last real bad one I had actually waved and smiled at me because he just didn't know any better.I know that sounds crazy to some of you guys(wakeboarders complaining about wakes)but it is possible to be decent to others and own a wakeboat. |
Posted By: 65 'cuda
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 1:16pm
Now I get it. The last sentence really makes me chuckle, I understand there can be a large difference in the experience generated by careful, courteous, wake boarders and the uneducated drivers out there who do not have a clue. The same can be said of any boat driver. However, the problem really is with perception. Its unfortunate that the name of the sport is "wake boarding" and not Ski boarding or such, and "wake surfing" is not called "boat surfing". To the pontoon crowd and fisherman on the lake, the act of severely overloading a boat to make the largest possible wake, then plowing down the lake at a speed that creates the largest peak, so someone can surf, is just crazy. I fully understand that grandpa in his 25' sea ray pulling the grand kids at 15 mph in the tube makes very large wakes as well, but the public does not see it as "purposely creating the biggest wake possible". Educated boaters are the key, this fight is just starting on our lake, and it will get worse before better. The risk with any widespread education project at our lake is: We would call more attention to the problem in the short term, risking bans. The education must take place one on one, boater to boater, creating a environment of courteous drivers, boarders, skiers, and surfers. Our watersports club is very active at the lake, hosting events that raise funds, we are always donating those funds to the causes at the lake, chapel, playground improvements, lions club, civic club, etc, etc... ------------- Gary http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=941" rel="nofollow - 1965 Barracuda SS |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 1:37pm
On Green Lake, one doesn't need ballast to creat wakes.. Isn't that neat ???? No one bitches haha
  
Gary, great point..... We just get up early before pontoon Charley wakes up.... Moj' ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 1:51pm
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I "powerturn" in the slalom course if a skier falls and im more than half way thru the course so it sends the roller from the turn down course instead of back up it the way we came so when I pull back up and drop at the other end the roller is out of the gates and ready to ski. Not really a powerturn just cutt throttle and whip it around between the boat guides.
The thing that annoys me the most on a lake is not following the outter edge counter clockwise rule which greates irratic waves all over the lake. Our lake is 440 acres. Wake boats usually thinkg its cool to go all different directions especially in our smooth cove along with tubers which basically makes it inpossible to do anything other than kneeboard during the day. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 2:10pm
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With Zach mentioning the counter clockwise rule, I'm just wondering how many of you boat/ski/wakeboard on waters that you have to abide by the rule. I'm lucky that I don't. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 2:17pm
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I think he's kind of got the right idea, but it might be a little too specific, especially since some boaters may not even know what a power turn is (or what kind of power turn he is referring to). How about something a little more generic, like Dontbeadouchebagboater.com. OK, thats a little harsh, how about courteousboater.com. Instead of coming off as a jerk lecturing wallies, just give them a sticker (or business card) with the address. Let em look it up and see what you are talking about. Could include safety, courtesy, ramp etiquete, general tips for being a good boater. I bite my lip many times, especially at the ramp, so that could be a good alternative to "helping" new or rude boaters.
I just got a good lesson in mind your own business at the ramp the other day. Some people were trying to get their pontooner on the trailer, obviously to wrap up the season as it was evident they dont do this every weekend. They were having a heck of a time, so, tying to be helpful, I stepped up on one of the bunks to help guide it on. SNAP!! Oh crap, thats what I get for trying to be a nice guy. I could tell by the way its snapped it was as rotten as could be, and they were very gracious, but I still felt like a dope. Next time, I'll just mind my own business. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 2:32pm
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"If you can't beat them, invite them"
Thats what I tell everyone when they complain about somebody. Most people just do not have a clue. I challenge you to take a stopwatch out next time you ski. The contest is to be back to the skier. You can do it two ways. Full throttle, out of control back to the skier or you let the boat settle in the water and idle back. There isn't much difference. I always idle back. Only about 10% of ski boat drivers can speed it back and be under control at the point where the skier is. If they are hurt it won't matter how fast you get back to them if you run them over. I can't wait for gas to be $6.00 again, it keeps the tubers off. Tim ------------- |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 5:38pm
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I'm fortunate to live on a large lake. Regardless, it never fails though we'll be tucked in a smooth cove with the boom out and a footer in the water and the biggest damn Mastercrap will come rolling in pulling the weekest damned boarder who simply rides back behind the boat. They'll even make a point to come between us and shore which is pretty close. We use to have somewhat of a echelon were footers had the right of way, then competitive level skiers. Now we're becoming over ran with wake rats and copetition tubers. I enjoy watching boarders do flips and exibition, but is it really necessary to have perfect "butter" or glass to do so? ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 6:07pm
This is another topic, and the answer is no but that goes for all watersports disciplines as well. To avoid the powerturners (turning the boat around under power) I just stay off the water or suck it up and ski through it. 95% idiots out there if I went around trying to educate our local boaters I wouldn't have time to ski myself. It's not worth it, they keep coming. This is exactly why Johnny bought a Barefoot Nautique and not another Ski Nautique. I'm also no longer surprised by people who can't spell or do simple mathematics, but graduated high school, can't figure out a 4-way stop sign intersection, but passed driver's education. Let's face it, we live in a world predominantly full of ignorants. I at least try to stay out of people's way when I don't know what I'm doing. ------------- |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 6:15pm
no but..what better sensation than to hear the board edging and cuting that butter style water... kinda like snowboarding in virgin off track snow after a big snowfall, or like getting that 10 foot wave in the pipeline!!!
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Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 7:42pm
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HW really nailed the argument dead on.. Unless you live on a closed lake with a few boats can you even begin to educate anyone, especially in the Midwest and Northern states.. There's no way there's enough time in the day/boating season....
For over 40 years of my young life we got our butts up early and skied and then hung out for the rest of the day until again at dusk. The comments about skiing on butter "during the day", yeah, maybe on a Tuesday afternoon on most bodies of water with pubic access. The weekend warrior will never change... And lets face facts, the footers and even skiers are rapidly being replaced by riders and surfers.. Got to adapt I guess, or take up golf.... Moj' ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 7:55pm
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we get those kinda problems down here also..in our delta not to many rivers are allowed to ski..so the popular ones are really messy on the weekends..only able to find a good set during week days (except fridays) and early until 10 am or past 7.30 pm during the week days...these are 30 minutes away from were most of the marinas are..If you want a good quiet place to ski the week end then you need to cruise for at least 1 hour or so...and plan on taking extra fuel for the return as the only gas station in the middle of the way sell crappy fuel at even worts price 20% up than the gas station on the marinas..that are 10-15% up from the land gas stations!!
I guess all around the worlds Its the same issues with careless no clue weekend boaters.... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: 65 'cuda
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 9:49pm
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Dave,
I'm all for getting up early or staying late to get the good water, everyone on the lake has a right to use it. Any one on the river or the unlimited HP state lakes can board and surf dusk till dawn, part of the reason I don't. We do boat at a private lake community, the lake is 300 acres, all the coves are idle speed, there is one 1 1/3 mile straight away to boat in, all counterclockwise. http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=38.936346,-83.785601&spn=0.014988,0.026908&t=h&z=15 - http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=38.936346,-83.785601&spn=0.014988,0.026908&t=h&z=15 I'm all for more people enjoying water sports on the lake. I'd really like the lake to become a ski and boarding hot spot. I'm intrigued by the idea of a "courteous boaters web site" maybe with a section for small lake users. -Maintaining buffer zones for towed watersports -Discouraging power turns or useless circles figure 8's (tubers). -Encouraging wake sports to use the middle of the channel. -Discouraging multiple wake passes in the same area. -Encouraging the water sports crowd to be the most friendly and helpful on the lake. -Ramp etiquette. I'm sure you guys can think of more, this will be a good winter project. ------------- Gary http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=941" rel="nofollow - 1965 Barracuda SS |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 10:03pm
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Yikes...it must be getting close to winter up north...
HW..pass me another Beam please... john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 10:31pm
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Then there is always the guy on the edge looking for someone to trip his trigger. I wouldn't be messing with some guy's truck putting a bumper sticker on, he might take it the wrong way!
------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: November-04-2009 at 10:49pm
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Exactly they need ramp etiquette would be nice. There isnt a boat or a trailer my dad and or my cousin and I cant load in less than a minute with the trailer in water under normal condidions. I think that people put on their retard hats before they get to the ramp.
Nobody can back a trailer and or load a boat correctly. Im lucky I have a lift so I only use the public ramp for my friends boats or at the end/begenning of the season. If im not in a hurry its fun to watch but other times it pisses me off. I can load my Sn alone in probably 20 seconds longer than with another person. Now the Mc trailer is another story you have to leave it in gear and go to the bow and click the lil pin that holds it in place which is totally dumb if your doing it alone. It took these douches like 10 minutes last of the season to load a pontoon onto a drive on bunk pontoon trailer. It also amazes me howmany people will do burnouts on the ramp with 2wd trucks pulling out. I always used to pull my boat out with my 2wd r/t dakota with wide dry performance tires and no weight in the bed and 350 ft/lbs torque and never spin a tire ever. I would vote to make it manditory to take a boater safty course and get a certified lisence to boat just like a car because I guarntee 90 percent of people out there wouldn't pass it. Its amazing that you can jump in a boat as soon as you get your drivers lisence never having driven one before and endanger other peoples lives and our correct crafts. I've literally had to run blocker with my boat so many times for my downed skiers because people don't see them floating infront of them in the water. Thats a rush when someone almost gets ran over. Ive almost been chopped up a few times. We have had peoples boats towed to the ramp by the DNR before. This is turning into another rant on other boaters haha. Oopppsss |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: November-05-2009 at 10:59am
Phat - Don't get me started on prima-donna launch ramp behavior! I have a 2wd truck & found that applying throttle while the brake is still on, & then very slowly letting up on the brake, is the best way to avoid spinning on the slick ramp. If that doesn't work, I get our crew to get in the bed. It is disconcerting when the wheels spin & the truck goes backwards down the ramp! I teach my skiers to hold up their board or ski after they fall, esp. if there are any other boats operating in the area. Hopefully the driver other other boat is actually driving & not just observing his skier! ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: November-05-2009 at 11:59am
Not surprised your fellow MC owners don't know how to use their own trailers, but the Boat Buddy should only be used during loading, and disengaged immediately following. ------------- |
Posted By: phatsat67
Date Posted: November-05-2009 at 12:58pm
| Anyone ever used the old Ski Supreme trailers or late 80's pro star trailers? |
Posted By: form&function
Date Posted: November-05-2009 at 1:21pm
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Wow,didn't mean to get everyone worked up.
For the recored everyone needs glass,my group craves and talks about having it earlier in the year like the birth of a new baby.I guess thats just a side affect of living in Oklahoma(where the wind comes sweeping down the plane) |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: November-05-2009 at 1:39pm
Gary- I took a look at your lake. It looks like it is only about 650' wide at its widest point. What kind of rules on on your lake? If you can email me tim.cochrane@gmail.com I would like to have your contact info. Tim ------------- |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: November-05-2009 at 4:20pm
Oh no! My point earlier was at one point whenever you saw a boom out and and a footer in the water you would shut it down and treat that one cove (of many) like it was a No Wake area, set back and watch the show. Footers do not have the luxury of skiing, boarding, or tubing in rollers and whitecaps. I can't speak for all footers, but because of this I'll shut it down when a advanced boarder is pulling some tricks, hell it's fun to watch. I consider it mutual respect. I also have no problem getting up early(depends on the night before) or camping out in a cove till sunset to get good water. But why come slow rolling into a cove were you see footers, dragging a tube, board, zip-sled, ect. when the skier or boarder is making no effort to improve or simply dragging behind the boat. Yes I agree "butter" in Oklahoma is almost non existant, all the more reason to show some mutual respect. ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: davee40
Date Posted: November-05-2009 at 4:41pm
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alot of the problem we have locally is that daddy goes out and buys a $50.000.00 air nautique then he gives the keys to his 18 year old and says go have fun and of course they cant have fun unless they have at least 9 or ten of thier best buddies in the boat,so they back up the 2009 jacked up f-350 and head to the lake. without any clue of boating safety or courtesy,its scary and allmost keeps me from even loading up the SN on a weekend. ------------- davee40 lakeland,fl |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: November-05-2009 at 4:55pm
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Dave, just noticed your avatar picture and the background. I use to live a couple of blocks from the school. ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: davee40
Date Posted: November-05-2009 at 5:13pm
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your right ryan , florida southern college my guess is youve skied lake hollingsworth . the buildings you see are the new add ons they just completed, i put my wife on the FSC ramp to take the pic. ------------- davee40 lakeland,fl |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: November-05-2009 at 5:18pm
Did a little footin' on it, walked or drove around it alot looking at the girls!  ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: November-05-2009 at 5:24pm
What a great place to go to school. Stupid me went to school in Maine. Tried to talk my daughter into going to Rollins, in FL.
On a lake, pool right on the water, ski team... For some odd reason, she opted to go to another snowbelt school in upstate NY (about 20 minutes from Rocketman) ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: davee40
Date Posted: November-05-2009 at 5:30pm
if you like great whether and you love to ski FSC or rollins are good choices,all though there is a lot of nice looking women to check out walking around hollingsworth  ------------- davee40 lakeland,fl |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: November-05-2009 at 5:57pm
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It is FSC that I believe my wacky nephew went to. Used to go over to Jenn Leachman's O-Town and hang out there. He's not a bad rider.
(posted before but a long time ago...so for the new comers) http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/lhine763/?action=view¤t=dougie2005.flv">  ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: November-05-2009 at 6:21pm
Pete,I remember my Dad talking about powerturns when he had his Chris Craft in the late '40's. He sold it in the mid '50's when he started his business so I'll bet some guy in the '20's discovered them! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: November-06-2009 at 1:04pm
It certainly is true that for the safety, and courtesy of all boaters, their should be a course and certificate system so at least people have read and absorbed some information at least about the in's and out's of launching/retrieving/skiing etc... It's got to be amazingly frustrating to deal with Yahoos on a private lake.. We just come to accept it on the big bodies of water with 4 and 5 launch sites.... More power to your educational program endeavors Gary... Dave ------------- 05' SV211 TE 73' Martinique had:96' SNOB had:76' Nautique had 77 Tique |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: November-06-2009 at 1:45pm
twice a year... ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: dip
Date Posted: November-07-2009 at 1:33am
When I was applying to colleges (many years ago), I had 4 schools at which I wanted to study architecture, and I had Florida Southern as a fallback where I could ski, and go to a school designed by Frank Lloyd Wright. Damn it, I studied architecture, but at least I had Lake Norman for the skiing thing. (and thank god I didn't go to either RPI or Syracuse. no offense but the weather in Charlotte was much better for skiing, and coeds in less clothing. If I ever win the lottery though, I just may enroll at Rollins! |