Smoking problem
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Topic: Smoking problem
Posted By: tullfooter
Subject: Smoking problem
Date Posted: December-11-2009 at 1:43pm
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Our state, Michigan, just passed a bill banning smoking in all businesses, including bars and restaurants, but excluding casinos and smoke/cigar shops. The bill goes into affect may of 2010.
Any thoughts/opinions? ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
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Posted By: WakeSlayer
Date Posted: December-11-2009 at 2:01pm
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Been that way here in MN for 2-3 years already. As it should be. It has been like that in Australia for a long time. I think even Ireland passed a no smoking law in bars there. The best thing they could do is just make it illegal period. Problem is that they lose squillions in tax revenue, and then would have to also bailout the farmers. Not even considering the black market that would arise and make lots of people criminals. ------------- Mike N 1968 Mustang |
Posted By: Waterdog
Date Posted: December-11-2009 at 2:11pm
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When the GM & Ford got the bail out "loan" one of my co-workers was complaining, being from Detroit I said something about farm subsidies - man did I say the WRONG thing! ------------- - waterdog - http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3896&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - 78 Ski Tique |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: December-11-2009 at 2:31pm
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Just like with the healthcare nonsense. It has nothing to do with health, just more government power. I smoke, I don't mind it being banned in restaurants because the places that allow smoking do stink. I am tired of it just being taxed to death. If they really cared it would be illegal, period. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: December-11-2009 at 2:53pm
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I don't mind it all. I'm not a smoker but I agree with the laws. Nothing I hate more than going out somewhere to eat then to have to smell someone else's smoke. I haven't been to a bar for a cold one in a long time primarily because GA allows smoking in bars. It's too bad too cause some of them have got some pretty decent food.
Back before they outlawed it in airliners, we'd have to change out the ceilings and sidewall panels on the planes because they stuck so bad. You could literally scrape the tar off the walls. ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: December-11-2009 at 8:28pm
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It's nonsense! What's next ban on drinking in restaurants, bars, and sporting events! They'll keep ***************g around with crap like this and not dealing with economy and soon none of us will have the money to go out and worry about being effected by smokers. For those of you who do not smoke I commend you, but be careful what you wish and vote for. Watch the local revenue and tax dollars go bye-bye with a lot of these businesses. There are several small towns around were I work that have been "dry" or liquor-beer free for some time. Some of them revoked the ban after decades just to gain that revenue and tax dollar to survive in this economy. ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: WakeSlayer
Date Posted: December-11-2009 at 8:38pm
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Some bars here became "theaters" in order to circumvent this law. All patrons were in that evenings show, and actors are allowed to smoke in a performance. I am pretty certain that this loophole was closed but it was all the rage for awhile. ------------- Mike N 1968 Mustang |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: December-11-2009 at 8:49pm
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Been in effect for about 10 years in NY, lots of dire predicitons about lost revenue and places shutting down. Places vowing to pay the 1000 fine every day...Didn't happen. The biggest difference is the crowd of people outside every bar and restaurant out for a cigarette come rain sleet snow... out they go.
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Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: December-11-2009 at 9:00pm
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We've been that way for a year or two, I do work for a lot of bar /pub owners and most thought it was their death certificate but what really happened is most of them saw their patronage increase. They would never have believed the number of people that stayed away from their establishments because of the smoke until they saw it in person. Their employees are happier and their patrons are happier. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: Root
Date Posted: December-11-2009 at 11:14pm
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im not a smoker, but if a bar wants smoker then let them have it...... just dont go there if you dont like it... i hear more complaining about not being able to smoke ...
i went to a camp-ground and they wouldnt let me have a camp-fire, what the f? let us do what we want and if u dont like it then dont do it or dont go there.... its simple ------------- RootRacing |
Posted By: Root
Date Posted: December-11-2009 at 11:17pm
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oh and thats y i dont go to that stupid camp-ground anymore and many other people also.... ------------- RootRacing |
Posted By: 65 'cuda
Date Posted: December-11-2009 at 11:54pm
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Ohio did the same about three years ago, didn't hurt the bar/ restaurant business one bit. I'm not against smoking, they're your lungs. Went to a establishment across the river in Kentucky, I had forgotten how bad the smoke is.
You can spot all the smokers gathered outside now, the smoke breaks are a lot quicker when the weathers bad! ------------- Gary http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=941" rel="nofollow - 1965 Barracuda SS |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: December-12-2009 at 11:48am
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Ironically, my brother was out Thursday night with two local bar/restaurant owners, one who owns a smoke free place, and the other who owns multiple bars that allow smoking. They both think that it will level the playing field. Neither are worried, but both agree that government should stay out of this argument.
One thing that will be interesting is seeing the creative outdoor smoking areas. I think I'll start a business selling outdoor heating units and shelters. ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: DeepCreekNauti
Date Posted: December-12-2009 at 12:44pm
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I smoked for many years until I finally gave it up 10 years ago. I had a love affair with Phillip Morris. Maryland and DC have similar bans. There was a ton of fear from small business that customers would leave but in the end they did not.
The trouble with smoking is it’s a person’s right to smoke if they choose to but eventually it's my insurance premiums and taxes that will eventually pay for it. For those Fans that are or have family that are nurses, doctors and the like you know that smoking is attributed as a root cause for just about everything that can go wrong in a person’s body. My job takes me to government medical facilities throughout the region. All have large glass heated enclosures outside the main doors. As first I thought it was a subway stop or a bus station until I was told it was a smoking hut for the patients. Some of patients are out there on oxygen puffing away. I got to talking to a purchasing manager and told me the huts cost about $45K installed each. That’s your tax dollars hard at work. What is even scarier is the push in employers who are looking to charge employees who smoke higher rates or exclude the employee from the employer based group plan all together. I am not sure I agree with it but I can help to wonder if it actually makes sense. How else can you ‘incent’ a person to live a healthier lifestyle that is not a government mandate? Enter hear the ‘slippery slope’ argument of what will the government ban next? Beer? Bacon? |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-12-2009 at 1:52pm
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should your premiums go up with your cholesterol count? or a surcharge at the drive thru?. alot of places have put up outside patios here in Ohio for smoking, I smoke but couldnt stand going to bars because of it, all of your clothes would smell, in restuarants was even worse. at first when they introduced the law i thought there goes the bar business. Im glad it passed. it is nice to go into a smoke free bar or a resturant, needless to say i always did sit in the smoke free section ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: scottb
Date Posted: December-14-2009 at 12:13pm
| My company just started a policy where an extra $25 is deducted from each paycheck if you or a member of your family is a smoker. |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: December-14-2009 at 6:26pm
------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
scottb wrote:Posted By: 05 210
Date Posted: December-14-2009 at 6:58pm
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It does affect businesses(on both sides), but not the ones most of us would patronize.
I have a customer who owns a bar, and it has damn near put him out of business. His customers are the, shall we say, "less desireable type". There are a few "private clubs" around here where you can still smoke. For $50 bucks a year you can join and yes, most of his customers want to smoke so bad when they drink that this is what they have done. His buddy owns one such club, and has told him his memberships have tripled since this law took effect in NH. I smoke. Personally, I can't stand going somewhere that smells like smoke. I don't smoke in my house & I never wear the same thing (ie pants,coats,etc) 2 days in a row without washing because I hate the tobacco smell that clings to them. It's a nasty habit and hopefully I will be throwing the towel in sooner than later.It's darn expensive,too. Until then, I'll just go outside to light up. Having to go outside keeps me from smoking twice as much when I drink. FWIW, I don't think the .gov really gives a crap about anyone's health . Tobacco is a huge revenue tax-wise and the cost is not increasing to get people to stop. It is increasing because they know people won't stop, no matter how expensive it is. Mike ------------- http:/diaries/details.asp?ID=2219" rel="nofollow - Air Nautique 210 Team 640 hours, not 1 regret |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: December-14-2009 at 7:58pm
We were in my favorite watering hole, the White Lake Inn, yesterday to catch some of the Lions/Ravens game (I've got Lions playoff tickets if anyone's looking to buy  ). It was as smokey as ever. My wife's asthma fired up so we had to leave (I think the Lions were mounting a comeback). I will enjoy it when the WLI turns smoke free. The owner does not seem to be worried about the new law. I think he will get creative with a smoking area outside.
BTW, it's free beer to all CCfan members at the Inn. Come by boat or car, snowmobiles and quads in a couple of weeks.  ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: Andy
Date Posted: December-14-2009 at 10:39pm
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My brother owns a couple of bars in Chicago. Nothing changed, except now they mark hands at the door. To know that they already saw your DL/ID card.
A lot of places around have the smokers patio somewhere. Couple of those propane outdoor heater pole deals, and some big ashtrays. I must say it is nice not stinking after a concert, or a night on the town. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3721&sort=&pagenum=6&yrstart=1982&yrend=1982" rel="nofollow - My Blue 82 SOLD! |
Posted By: The Lake
Date Posted: December-15-2009 at 2:14am
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I've got friends who smoke . . . it doesn't really bother me.
One person's rights are constantly in tension with another's. When enough people are effected the government, who is us, tries to figure out how it will work out, the result is often a law. Some of those laws are taken for granted now, speed limits for example, almost everyone agrees they are needed. Around here the decision to ban smoking in restaurants was not a vote of the city council but done by popular vote. Democracy is crazy at times, the people vote to get their way, and sometimes the people make good decisions, sometimes not . . . then we get checks and balances from legislators and court systems, all of which can take a lot of time. Chuck ------------- Walk on Water www.coldwater.me http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=775&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970 - 69 Ski Nautique |