Respirator 101
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Printed Date: June-28-2024 at 5:57am
Topic: Respirator 101
Posted By: Keeganino
Subject: Respirator 101
Date Posted: February-09-2010 at 6:27pm
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I have looked all over google and this site to find some answers about which respirator is best to use while grinding away the old glass to bed stringers to the hull. With so many different ratings and styles, brands, and accessories to choose from the bottom line question is difficult to find an answer to. Which filter is best for this application, and how many hours should I expect to get out of them? I already have a half face AO Safety brand respirator that I bought a while back for some drywall work.
My best guess right now is that either an N99 or N100 filter is the way to go. For anybody wanting to learn more I found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respirator - wikipedia to be the only place with any useful information. The directions in the filter package is very vague about how many hours to expect from the cartridges as the lifetime is affected by the environment you are working in. I will be doing all my grinding work outside. Thanks for the help and happy grinding!  ------------- "working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4897" rel="nofollow - 1973 Skier |
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Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: February-09-2010 at 7:31pm
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Consider this to really supress the dust, don't cut dry... use a cutting wheel on a pnumatic grinder, but zip-tie a water nozzle from your garden hose to the grinder to aim a water stream onto the wheel. You'll quickly get the feel how much water is required. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: Keeganino
Date Posted: February-09-2010 at 8:17pm
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Not exactly the answer I was looking for but that is something to consider if you can accommodate that ie tools, location. I am talking about the inevitable hull grinding with 24 grit flap disks, to get down to the bare mat, dust producing mayhem. Are you saying you do all of that work with water running over the grinder and no PPE? ------------- "working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4897" rel="nofollow - 1973 Skier |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-09-2010 at 8:37pm
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a full face respirator(used for retrieving the dead) I find the best, I let that thing clog until my face turns blue, the more they catch the better they filter, just like a screen door. mine sucks to the face and rarely as in your case the mask constantly falls or your always adjusting it and you still get glass in the eyes. I will wear a long sleeve shirt duct tape the sleeves to my wrists because when grinding it has a tendency to sneak up your sleeves ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Keeganino
Date Posted: February-09-2010 at 8:51pm
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Thanks Eric that answers one question! Use the filter till it is clogged.
Which rating cartridges do you use? I would definitely buy a full face if I was not on such a tight budget(have been looking everywhere for the steal of a deal). Going to have to settle for the equipment I already have for now. ------------- "working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4897" rel="nofollow - 1973 Skier |
Posted By: 82 Nautique 1
Date Posted: February-09-2010 at 8:53pm
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Guy's Please be advised that many rebuilders are using the electric grinders. I would advise against introduction of water in any way while using electric.
On the other hand if you are using air grinders this method may help keep the dust down, however I could forsee another created mess in cleaning up the slury projected off the disk. Dry cleanup is rather easy with a shop vac, however I found myself having to clean the filter many times as it blinds over quite easily prohibiting air flow and suction. Dennis ------------- Original Owner " Dennis" http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4855" rel="nofollow - 1982 Nautique |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: February-09-2010 at 9:02pm
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Here is what I use http://autobodystore.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=HB02&Category_Code=HP - Hobby Air to paint with and plan to get a full face mask when I go to do my stringers. You only get one pair of lungs--- ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: Keeganino
Date Posted: February-09-2010 at 9:57pm
Um yeah that is sweeeeeeeeeeeeet but uhhhhh $462... I could think of some interesting uses for that thing!  Hey man like where did my air go man, I'm hungry. Good example for those of you with unlimited resources.
I am just trying to get a consensus for best practices using a standard facemask, be it full or half face. I think most would agree full face is preferable for obvious reasons. I am looking for a simple answer. What level of filter needs to be used. But the "I wish toys are always cool too"  ------------- "working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4897" rel="nofollow - 1973 Skier |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-10-2010 at 10:52am
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Luckily, i do work for Serv-Pro and they donated 2 full face masks to me, there are nice because you can change the glass or plastic when they start to scratch, no problems at all with them ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: February-10-2010 at 11:06am
You must really have good health insurance.My Parents spent a little more than that when my Mom found out she had pulmonary fibrosis.Lets just say food is the last thing on your mind when you can't even breath, I'm not taking a chance,I've seen what happens. I paint Imron and Centari with hardner and that is what I really bought it for. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Keeganino wrote:Posted By: Keeganino
Date Posted: February-10-2010 at 2:53pm
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Not trying to put down your method, and believe me I know all the dangers of working with glass which is why I started this thread. There is nothing funny about dying from cancer, emphysema, or fibrosis. I have witnessed them first hand myself too. I was attempting to make a joke about smoking a certain something through the machine that makes you hungry. If you don't get it you don't get it. You are lucky to already have this machine and will be very safe. If anything I envy you.
Again I can't afford a $462 machine but I can afford the best filters they make for my mask. I am STILL trying to get a consensus on what that is based on their ratings. The key is to get the right PPE for the right job. A spacesuit would work great too but again the price tag makes it unreasonable for MOST of us and Tyvek works real well. For such a simple question I am a little disappointed at the responses received so far. This does not need to be a 10 page thread. I was looking for a short sweet thread with the answer to a very important question. How to be safe without breaking the bank so others could benefit down the road. Which filter rating is appropriate for this application? ------------- "working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4897" rel="nofollow - 1973 Skier |
Posted By: WakeSlayer
Date Posted: February-10-2010 at 3:16pm
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What you have is way more than adequate. Especially for outside work.
The IL Dept of Health says a dust mask is enough. Lowes sells a fancy dust mask they say is for fiberglass work, rated at N95 NioSH spec. I am not an OSHA expert, so this is purely opinion. I have a $30-40 niosh filtered mask that i use for all kinds of stuff. If I cannot smell the dust, it is fine. I used it for painting bilgekote, washing down with acteone, CPESing, as far as boat stuff. I have used it for indoor paint spraying, also. ------------- Mike N 1968 Mustang |
Posted By: Keeganino
Date Posted: February-10-2010 at 3:39pm
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Thanks Mike.
N95 is adequate, N99 and N100 are above the call of duty. I want to be as careful as I can so I will stick with the face mask and N99 or N100 filters. Other filters may be more appropriate for different applications like painting, gelcoating etc, as the R and P filters are oil resistant and oil proof respectively. ------------- "working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4897" rel="nofollow - 1973 Skier |
Posted By: 82 Nautique 1
Date Posted: February-10-2010 at 3:54pm
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Proper respirator:
Google MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet)for the products you are working with and it will give you all the information you need Type of respirator allowed exposure more information than you can think of. The think most important is the correct filter to collect the smallest particles you will be creating. ------------- Original Owner " Dennis" http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4855" rel="nofollow - 1982 Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-10-2010 at 4:09pm
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oh the years I spent maskless, you know the ones, no seat belts, no air bags, kids in the front seat, spraying hundreds of gallons of Caterpillar white lead base paint, some day i will regret it. I wear that mask religously now ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Keeganino
Date Posted: February-10-2010 at 5:23pm
That is good information. Of course knowledge leads to more questions. There are a few different types of polyester resins. What am I dealing with grinding into a 1973 Correct Craft hull? I assume the glass matt and cloth will have their own specs as well. This information will help set an "acceptable best practice" for myself and the entire Correct Craft rebuilding community. ------------- "working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4897" rel="nofollow - 1973 Skier |
Posted By: Tim D
Date Posted: February-10-2010 at 5:51pm
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Would using a shop vac hose near the cutting help with the dust? ------------- Tim D |
Posted By: 82 Nautique 1
Date Posted: February-10-2010 at 8:09pm
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Yes it is true - "Each product will have it's own MSDS Sheet"
I have sat in many work related classes concerning MSDS, OSHA, and safety. Ultimetly it is upto the person doing the work to first watch out for yourself. Even if you are doing the work for hire or pay and the responsibility is the person in charge above you to make sure you are safe. I built a small box of plywood and attached my shop vac hose to the box. While cutting or grinding I tried to direct the debris as such into the box. This did seem to help. ------------- Original Owner " Dennis" http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4855" rel="nofollow - 1982 Nautique |
Posted By: WakeSlayer
Date Posted: February-10-2010 at 8:22pm
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My opinion is do it outside, on a windy day, with a mask similar to Keegan's photo.
A shop vac does a little to help but you are moving so much and changing angles, i think it is hardly worth it. If you can do the bulk outside, and just little touch ups inside, that is best. This is why it took me an extra 3 weeks to get started on my boat. Had to wait for tolerable weather outside. ------------- Mike N 1968 Mustang |
Posted By: 82 Nautique 1
Date Posted: February-10-2010 at 8:35pm
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Do it at night so the neighbors wake up in the morning thinking that Mt. St. Hellen's erupted again.
I had to move my cars and trucks out of my drive whenever I went outside to clean out my filters. By far this was the most undesireable part of my rebuild :) Dennis ------------- Original Owner " Dennis" http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4855" rel="nofollow - 1982 Nautique |
Posted By: WakeSlayer
Date Posted: February-10-2010 at 8:39pm
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By far! even digging old foam takes a distant second place to grinding. ------------- Mike N 1968 Mustang |
Posted By: Keeganino
Date Posted: February-10-2010 at 9:03pm
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It was perfect grinding weather here today. Very windy and tolerable enough that all I needed was some old sweats under the tyvek to keep me warm. I would shop vac up the pile every few minutes to keep that from blowing all over the place. ------------- "working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4897" rel="nofollow - 1973 Skier |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: February-10-2010 at 10:52pm
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Keegan, I understand where your coming from. I bought it for the Imron and now use it for alot of things.There isn't a filter made that will protect you from isocyanates other wise I'd have bought one. Like Eric, when I was younger,I didnt think about it.But as you get older your perspective changes. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: Keeganino
Date Posted: February-10-2010 at 11:02pm
It is always good to know the "good, better, and best" options. I would say you have the best.  At least I am able to do the work in an extremely well ventilated area- outside!------------- "working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4897" rel="nofollow - 1973 Skier |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: February-11-2010 at 1:56am
Your better off outside anyway,you'd be finding glass dust 20 years down the road if you were inside,you know Murphy's law  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: February-11-2010 at 11:48am
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You guys can't read for sh|t, I never said no ppe and clearly said pnuematic grinder. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: 82 Nautique 1
Date Posted: February-11-2010 at 12:09pm
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GottaSki;
How was the clean up using your method. Does it sling a slurry. Yes you did say pnuematic. However many of the guys currently rebuilding are using electric. I was just trying to help those rebuilders. Sorry !!! ------------- Original Owner " Dennis" http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4855" rel="nofollow - 1982 Nautique |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: February-11-2010 at 12:26pm
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nobiggee!
I found it the way to go.. yes, there is some sling of course, but one quickly learns how to aim the tool to direct it smartly, its all caught by the hull, and the water supressed not only the airborn, but most the debris, it all rinsed out the bilge into a bucket for more careful disposal later. So much less rouge splinters around for the kid's or dog's feet to find forever. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: Keeganino
Date Posted: February-11-2010 at 1:10pm
If you had read the opening this thread is ABOUT PPE So maybe you outta get YOUR glasses checked buddy. Not all areas of the hull drain to the bilge, so you are just going to fill all those areas with water? Sounds like a lot more trouble than its worth to me. Plus its freezing cold out there. Maybe you live somewhere warm with your head too far up your ass to read. Good for you. If you would like to contribute in a constructive manner to a thread I started about respirators then come on back. If you want to talk about grinding techniques START YOUR OWN THREAD!  ------------- "working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4897" rel="nofollow - 1973 Skier |
Posted By: Keeganino
Date Posted: February-11-2010 at 1:40pm
 ------------- "working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4897" rel="nofollow - 1973 Skier |
Posted By: WakeSlayer
Date Posted: February-11-2010 at 1:51pm
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My mask has 3M 6001 Niosh organic vapor cartridges. ------------- Mike N 1968 Mustang |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: February-11-2010 at 2:09pm
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Chill, Keegan. Tom's contribution wasnt off the wall. ------------- |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: February-11-2010 at 2:49pm
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Chill, Tim. ------------- |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: February-11-2010 at 3:36pm
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boy what a waist,
get a damn face shield and a surgical mask and go to town, If you didn't use a saw to cut it down close to the hull as in almost flush, then your spending way to much time grinding when you should have been cutting it out to start with. Pnuematic = air Also the hull will drain if you start grinding the cross members first from the rear towards the bow, notice the nice big gapping hole at the end of the main stringers and the huge hole where the rudder goes, guess it's too small and will get clogged from all the fine glass particals your grinding off. Work smarter not harder and paranoid .02 ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: Keeganino
Date Posted: February-11-2010 at 6:26pm
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First off I apologize to the community for going off, but GottaSki started the offensive when he said I can't read for sh!t. Maybe he is a funny guy and if I knew him I might not get offended. But I don't know him and he does not know me, and that was offensive. He hijacked this thread with the first response being about pneumatic grinding under a garden hose. No mention of PPE at all. No appolgy to GottaSki for calling me out and hijacking this thread and taking it to the dark side.
79- I have been reading for a month on how to restring my boat. The best practices that the members of this site have set in place are remarkable. I have read many of your posts and you have great knowledge, but I don't appreciate your smart ass comment here either. I am cutting my stringers flush with the hull using a diamond wheel on a grinder. There is very little dust and my first stringer came out yesterday with the one cut along the base almost under the wood. I am a 33 year old father of 3 children and I intend to be around to take their children out in this boat. That is why I wanted to know the best practice for PPE while doing this project. ALL I WANTED TO KNOW IS WHAT FILTER TO USE SO THAT I AM PROTECTED FROM THE DUST. Your vote is a face shield and a dust mask. Thank you for answering the question. ------------- "working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4897" rel="nofollow - 1973 Skier |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: February-11-2010 at 6:51pm
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Did I miss something here?
Doesn't "You guys" mean more than one person? isn't that what the "s" at the end of guys implies? or am I wrong and it means Keegan? help me out please I'm off my comprehension today?
Really you need to lighten up... there where several other reply's in between gotta ski's two responces and by no means did I see it as a personal attack on you. Everyone has there own way of doing things and sometimes it takes time to figure out the best way of doing things. I know the stringers and cross supports can be removed very quickly given the right tools and know how. Everyone here pokes a little fun at each other so take it easy they are only trying to pass on what they have all ready learned from past experiences that you are just now going through. Work smarter not harder, cut out all the cross braces and the main stringer on one side then grind it all down, install the the new main and then go to the other side. Some have cut out both at the same time others do it one side at a time to have refernce to go by it all depends how far gone it is. But get a sawzall with a long blade cut the braces and stringer as close to the hull as you can then grind it the rest of the way, your the first guy I've seen that has suited up the way you have to do this repair, it's one thing breathing in fumes but it does't require the same protection to grind out the fiberglass. just my .02 ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: Keeganino
Date Posted: February-11-2010 at 7:54pm
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Sorry I am still a bit hot and venting. I have read the method you describe using a sawzall. I have also read a lot of threads about how bad people itch after this kind of work, and putting baby powder on beforehand, and taping up sleeves and using multiple layers of glue to pull glass out of your hands. and how if you get it in your eye you can use a Q-tip dipped in vaseline to remove glass particles from your eye, and I have seen pictures of people wearing the same stuff I am, right here on this site. I worked in the restoration industry for years(like Eric's Serv-Pro) and took several courses on PPE pertaining mostly to body clean up(I worked Katrina), mold and and asbestos and we used the same masks Eric described for all of that. Never worked with any fiberglass there that was not insulation, and an N95 mask was appropriate PPE as was a tyvek cover-all for that material unless you like to itch and want to bring that back home to your family. It may not kill you right away but it is unpleasant stuff and to recommend to the general public to dig right in without careful evaluation of the risk factors is not good practice. I know you old timers used to do all kinds of crazy stuff and are still around to tell the tale. That does not make it right. We don't use the same materials to rebuild the boats because they were flawed and you found a better way. Maybe some of the old ways of protecting one's self could also be improved.
Until otherwise proved that this is overkill I will continue to use an N-99 or N-100 filter on my half face respirator while I am cutting or grinding but would use a full face if I owned one. Hell I would use that $462 machine if I had one. I am also a huge advocate of tyvek coveralls(generic brands work just as well) and gloves. You can call me a sissy if you want to, but I would rather be safe than sorry. OK I am all cooled off. ------------- "working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4897" rel="nofollow - 1973 Skier |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-12-2010 at 10:05am
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hey, i took offense to old timers, the better word is "wise ones" lol ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-12-2010 at 10:11am
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at times after the fumes and a 12er, I caught myself grinding in my underwear ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: February-12-2010 at 11:27am
Attn. Hollywood, new sig cleanup in aisle 2! ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: February-12-2010 at 1:13pm
This "wise one" started at a young age! ------------- |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: February-12-2010 at 1:36pm
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I think you need to worry more about your short fuse and heart attacks than inhaling toxic fiberglass. It all goes back to how and what tools you use. Guess I screwed up not wearing all that gear when I made the bar, love seat and banner out of a 80 hull, took a little over a half hour to cut them apart. Was a huge cloud of dust about an 1" away from the blade and everyone stood right there as close as they could get. What where we thinking DOOOOH our bad.
If your flinging stuff everywhere because of your methodology then maybe you better suit up and protect that sensitive skin. Or maybe choose a different method that doesn't create all the dust. It's all in the approach and how they are apply. Me, I would be using pnuematic die grinder and a cut wheel w/water, a sawzall and a few other tricks that doesn't create all the dust your so worried about killing you. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: Keeganino
Date Posted: February-12-2010 at 2:20pm
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To each his own. I have done all my work thus far based on CCF recommendations as I had zero experience with this kind of work before I started restoring my 73 skier. You have contributed to my main "stringer thread" several times and have been very helpful and constructive over there. I value your knowledge and opinion, I just don't see why so much resistance to PPE. Emotionally charged resistance at that. Guilt maybe that you let everyone stand around and breath that stuff?
Yes you did get a rise out of me and that was unproductive- again I apologize for that. What I will not apologize for is bringing PPE and the dangers of fiberglass to the attention of the users on this site. If you can cut this stuff so clean that you are at zero risk than so be it- you are the man. Most of us on this site are just average Joes who do not do this for a living and may not have access to all the cool toys you have. I am a web designer, not a mechanic. I can make my computer do things you have never even dreamed of yet, and on the flip side you know things about engines and boats that I could not even imagine. That is why us Joes are here- to learn from you. But maybe, just maybe, if you step down off of your Grand Poobah pedestal and listen, you could learn something from us too. Its not inconceivable. 79- If you feel the need to beat me up one more time to get your last word in. Feel free. I am done with this banter. It is not helping the CCF community learn how to protect themselves from fiberglass. I respect you and hope we can agree to disagree but I don't want to argue this point here on CCF anymore. Peace ------------- "working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4897" rel="nofollow - 1973 Skier |
Posted By: Keeganino
Date Posted: February-12-2010 at 2:24pm
 Thanks Hollywood- This thread needed to lighten up. Sorry guys!------------- "working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4897" rel="nofollow - 1973 Skier |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: February-12-2010 at 3:39pm
All's good It's fine your bringing to everyones attention the potential hazzards that can arise from using risky methodologies and that proper PPE should be used if you choose those types of methods we're all better informed now. But us old timers are slow to learn new tricks or is it us old timers use less risky methods to minimize the risk like using water to control airborn hazzards while performing hazzardous tasks such as grinding fiberglass. Everyone has their own safty level they are comfortable with some may feel it's over kill while others may think it's not enough. Others are afraid to touch a bathroom handle for fear of getting germs, others run and get flu shots because they're scared if they don't they'll get sick. While some may look at as a means to boost their immune system by being exposed to the dangers and having their body create and carry the antibodies needed to fight the bacteria and infections naturally. Everyone is different and have different opinions. I've spent a few day's in a garage turning wrenches, spent a few days in cadavar labs helping doctors make surgery's easier and less evasive. I've spent a few days in front of a computer designing products used around the world, you never know what or who you'll find in an open forum like this so it's a little foolish to assume they are only knowledgable about one topic. But really Chill a little all's good in CCF land. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: Keeganino
Date Posted: February-12-2010 at 3:59pm
You make many valid points. I was 8 years old in 1984 and I do not get flu shots. LOL I am chill I just do not agree with you about the dangers of fiberglass. Maybe others can weigh our argument for themselves and make the decision that best fits their situation. It reads better than reality TV! Can we hug and make up now? ------------- "working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4897" rel="nofollow - 1973 Skier |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: February-12-2010 at 5:15pm
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It's all good. I agree it can be a danger in certain instances and PPE should be used but at other times using differnt methods the risk is greatly reduced and the need for PPE is not really warrented. Now if your laying up epoxy in the garage without an exhaust fan or even with one for that matter then if your not waring the proper PPE you might not come out with the same number of brain cells you did going in.
But hey just remember to check and turn off the power tools before you flip the breaker to reset it you got luck and don't let that grinding wheel get too close to your body if you catch an edge and it kicks that tyvek suit's not going to stop your leg or anything else from bleeding one member found that out the hard way. P.S. I wish you could teach the other members how you post pictures because i can actually see them at work. Where I work the majorty of them get filtered out but yours don't. Take your time and ask questions just don't get bent out of shape if someone yanks your chain they're just messing around having fun it happens here all of the time. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: C-Bass
Date Posted: February-12-2010 at 6:21pm
Chris, Seeing that you were located in Indiana, and then seeing this, would you happen to have worked up in the prosthetic capital of the world (Warsaw, IN)? My sister works up there in a tool design group. Lots of lakes up that way, and they all seem to be super busy. Don't jump me Keegan...minor threadjack  ------------- Craig 67 SN 73 SN http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6103" rel="nofollow - 99 Sport 85SN |
Posted By: Keeganino
Date Posted: February-12-2010 at 6:31pm
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I got lucky with that grinder incident! As for the pictures that is where I have a tool and knowledge most people don't- Photoshop and a sony 10.3 mp camera. Getting ready to upgrade to the latest CS4 extended version that includes video editing. Costs $1000 and the camera was about that too, but that is how I make a living so I have to have it. That is why I am trying to get by with the tools I have for my restoration. Unfortunately I don't have access to a compressor as I have heard the tools are way better, and cheaper, but I have everything else I need to get er done... well maybe.
Tomorrow I am removing my first main stringer. I did not have room on the secondary to get a sawzall under it so I used the grinder. I plan to use the sawzall for the main. Do I start at the gap at the transom and work towards the front? I think I read to use a 12 inch blade for flex? Any preference on the type of blade? Just for shiggles and giggles, has anyone ever tried a flush cut saw? I bought one to remodel my kitchen and am never going to use it again. Probably would have worked like a champ around the edge of the floor. Making buckets of dust! ------------- "working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4897" rel="nofollow - 1973 Skier |
Posted By: Keeganino
Date Posted: February-12-2010 at 6:34pm
Duuuuuuuuuuuuude my thread man  ------------- "working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4897" rel="nofollow - 1973 Skier |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-12-2010 at 10:00pm
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79 any boob grabs in the morgue? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Keeganino
Date Posted: February-12-2010 at 11:15pm
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My dad said that his cadaver in gross anatomy was a big fat guy who leaked oil so they nicknamed him mazola! He had died from a gunshot to the neck.
Eric you must have gone years without wearing PPE cause you crazy ------------- "working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4897" rel="nofollow - 1973 Skier |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-14-2010 at 9:43am
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real men have grinding gouges across thier thigh,
Kee, i dont see any hurt in it if the body is still warm lol ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 82 Nautique 1
Date Posted: February-14-2010 at 9:50am
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Eric.
I know you are right about work war wonuds. I left some of my finger, blood , and pride in the hull of my 88 early on. I wanted agressive tools, and they are agressive on the wrong items.. ------------- Original Owner " Dennis" http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4855" rel="nofollow - 1982 Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-14-2010 at 10:01am
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I still have a big grinder from the 70's it takes about 30 seconds to get to full power, and 30 seconds to stop its a BMFR, you dont want to get in its way, it really scares the sht out of me when i use it ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: Cslaten33
Date Posted: February-15-2010 at 1:52am
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Hey I used a fraekin dust mask. It worked fine. Just put water in the area you are working on and get to work. With all the research you have done on here you could have been half way there. ------------- Thanks Clark Slaten |
Posted By: Keeganino
Date Posted: February-15-2010 at 2:44am
Yer right Clark what was I thinking doin all that readin? I diagnosed my stringer problem on January 11th with the boat in full working order and I am only to here so far. Next thing you know I'll be doin rithmatic.
 ------------- "working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4897" rel="nofollow - 1973 Skier |
Posted By: Cslaten33
Date Posted: February-15-2010 at 5:35am
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I did the same thing. My boat ran fine sounded great and the I found one very small soft spot under my feet when I was driving. I went home "after several beers" and cut the damn floor out. Now I'm in for a complete stringer rebuild. ------------- Thanks Clark Slaten |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: February-15-2010 at 9:42am
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now is the point where you say to yourself "why did it rot and what will prevent rot in the future" ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |