Moving from outboard to inboard, what to know?
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Topic: Moving from outboard to inboard, what to know?
Posted By: Netdewt
Subject: Moving from outboard to inboard, what to know?
Date Posted: February-18-2010 at 6:13pm
I have been using outboard boats since I was 12. I'd like to find out what are the important differences in maintenance, trailering, avoiding underwater obstacles, etc. before I decide to buy. Thanks!
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Posted By: DrCC
Date Posted: February-18-2010 at 6:34pm
Outboards go "ying,ying,ying" whereas Inboards go "glub,glub,glub.
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Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: February-18-2010 at 6:57pm
This is an inboard boat forum, so I guess you know how most respondents are going to lean. However, we must be carefull to note, you did not ask which should I get or which is better, you asked about specific elements. I can only speak semi-knowledgeably about it as I am not an expert on new 4-stroke outboards, but I did run an outboard from 1981 to 1996 and inboards from 1996 to present. So here are my thoughts.
Maintenance: again, I cant speak to the new motors, but in the 15 years I ran my outboard, I changed the plugs a few times, the steering cable once, the impellor once and lower end grease annually. Pretty easy stuff. Winterization is a snap as they self drain, so a little fogging and sta-bil in the gas and you're good to go.
My two inboards required a little more wrenching. Of course it depends on the year. But if you follow these forums there are always questions about bogging down, hard starting, loosing power, stalling... Most are related either to fuel delivery (gunky carb) or electrical (bad connections/tune up) Again, a big percentage of the boats here are old. If you're looking at a new one, probably not an issue. I personally think a V8 is a lot easier to do it yourself repair than an outboard, but thats just me, and I am a long way from being any kind of mechanic.
Trailering. I feel no differnce either way.
Maybe somewhat related to trailering is boat maneuverability. Some people have trouble learning to deal with (or just don't like) the fact that inboards are generally unmaneuverable in reverse (unless or until you learn how to use the pull to whichever side) and that they dont steer when in neutral, but both of those are pretty easy to get used to and deal with.
Hitting stuff. Not a good idea either way. If you really cream something you can replace a shaft strut prop and rudder (and fins) for less than the cost of a big outboard. What are they now guys...I used to go by the rule of thumb of about $1000/10 HP (a 150 HP motor was about $15,000) I bet its a lot more now. For a minor hit, like what would ding the blade or skeg of your outboard, you are going to spend less than having to replace the underwater gear of an inboard.
All reasonable considerations, but all of the above being given, it comes down to whats best for you (here I go...not answering your question)
Outboards are fast, and fair out of the hole...unless you're pulling a load, then they struggle. (unless you go the 200HP plus route)
If you're into any kind of water sport where people are getting in and out of the boat, I think outboards stink. The whole transom is taken up by motor and you have no platform, except for maybe a crappy little step on either or both sides. Plus there is the safety factor.
I certainly vote for inboards as the preferred way to go, but outboards are real boats too, as confirmed by their popularity among barefooters.
Those are just some of my thoughts. I am sure there will be many others.
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Posted By: Netdewt
Date Posted: February-18-2010 at 7:13pm
75 Tique wrote:
This is an inboard boat forum, so I guess you know how most respondents are going to lean. |
Sorry, I should clarify. I'm not deciding between an outboard and an inboard. I'm pretty sure I'd like to get a '82-'86 2001. I just want to know what the differences are so that I know what to expect.
Hitting stuff. Not a good idea either way. |
Is it easier to hit things with an inboard because you can't raise and lower the prop/rudder? Or is that just a common misconception?
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Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: February-18-2010 at 7:30pm
Netdewt wrote:
Is it easier to hit things with an inboard because you can't raise and lower the prop/rudder? Or is that just a common misconception? |
In 13 years of IB operation, I havent whacked anything yet. (Can't say the same thing about my Dad's CC Mustang when I was 14 year old tho ) Anyway...you're thinking about the fact that you can tilt/trim up your motor if going into shallow or unknown waters, which you can't do in an inboard. The Key here (and why I havent whacked anything in 13 years) is be careful and know the water you are going into. Its as easy as that. If you arent sure. Slow down, creep along, keep your eyes on the bottom. If its not safe don't go. If you gotta go, shut down and paddle.
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Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: February-18-2010 at 7:52pm
Regarding trimming the motor: Most inboard ski boats have basically a flat bottom compared to an I/O or outboard. Thus, the prop and running gear are tucked up higher relative to the water depth (in most cases) than an OB or I/O, which have to drop down a ways to get past the depth of the vee. This is why a ski boat can run 40MPH in 2ft of water or less, and is also why I feel it's pretty hard to hit something in an inboard. It has to be a pretty shallow obstruction. I'm going on year 8 here with no (damaging) hits so far. I'm not positive but I'd be willing to bet the tracking fins are actually the lowest point on the boat. If you were to REALLY cream something immovable under water, I'd bet that the inboard would be in much worse shape. I've seen spectacular outboard rock hits at speed which resulted in just a ruined prop and skeg. An inboard would be totally out of commission in the same scenario.
Also, when an OB or I/O is trimmed up, you lose substantial control and power. The inboard has 100% "traction" at all times, which is something I really miss when trying to dock an outboard that's been trimmed up due to depth concerns.
One thing you'll LOVE is the smoothness of a hydraulic trans. No more grinding dog teeth engaging F and R!
One thing is for sure: this is a one way street. You won't be going back to the OB world any time soon. Enjoy the transition!
Edit: Here, with water line and lowest point lines in place:
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Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: February-18-2010 at 8:00pm
Also, your rudder, prop, and tracking fins are all separate items on the boat that all do separate things. These functions are all combined in the outboard. So, enjoy the effortless and amazing handling of these machines. Amaze friends and family with G-inducing turns and by spinning the boat in place while stopped or at speed! Enjoy the instant planing. Enjoy the balance of having the engine in the middle of the boat. Enjoy the cool factor and the elite factor. Enjoy the exhaust note.
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Posted By: Air206
Date Posted: February-18-2010 at 8:23pm
Net:
We all love inboards - that is why we are here! The reliability, power, feel, etc, etc, etc. is GREAT. If a shallow bottom is an issue - get a jet-drive inboard or outboard. If you want a great tracking, powerful and beautiful sounding ski machine. Direct drive inboards are it.....
If you need precision movement at idle and certainly in reverse........ keep your outboard. The forms of boats are dictated by function. What function are you interested in? None of us would use the criteria of maintenance, trailering, and avoiding underwater obstacles to decide what boat to get. It is about boating function (and certainly aesthetic form) .
Decide what you will be doing with your boat - then go drive different styles that accomplish your boating pleasure. You never know, a Sea Dory or John Boat may be most suitable...... Plus, looking at boats is a ton of fun!!
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Posted By: DrCC
Date Posted: February-18-2010 at 8:59pm
Newt, Would this interest you?
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Posted By: Air206
Date Posted: February-18-2010 at 9:34pm
ARGH!
That is turibull...........!
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Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: February-18-2010 at 10:48pm
[QUOTE=Netdewt] [QUOTE=75 Tique]I just want to know what the differences are so that I know what to expect.
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All was well said above.
But to answer your question directly - expect to have a great summer with a cool boat that will last for many years.
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Ben Franklin
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Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: February-19-2010 at 12:48am
Air206 wrote:
If you need precision movement at idle and certainly in reverse........ get an inboard. |
Fixed
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Posted By: Air206
Date Posted: February-19-2010 at 1:41am
M3Fan wrote:
Air206 wrote:
If you need precision movement at idle and certainly in reverse........ get an inboard. |
Fixed |
Ha - Don't kid the man..... you know a newbie is not gonna jump into an inboard and reverse it like an outboard ..... We certainly can - but not a newbie
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Posted By: Netdewt
Date Posted: February-19-2010 at 2:09am
I'd catch on fast. It sounds similar to operating a jet ski.
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Posted By: Air206
Date Posted: February-19-2010 at 2:29am
That's the spirit!
Inboards perform more smoothly and powerfully. Great throttle and steering feel..... Boat show season is upon us.... talk a dealer into a test drive!
Fun, Fun!!!
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Posted By: Keeganino
Date Posted: February-19-2010 at 2:37am
Simply put (what you probably already know) inboards are bad ass. Since you already know how to operate a boat you will be hooked and the transition is nothing. Harley Davidson has nothing on Correct Craft. You can only put one chick on the back of your harley!
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Posted By: Keeganino
Date Posted: February-19-2010 at 2:48am
DrCC wrote:
Newt, Would this interest you?
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Cartman- "Seriously you guys like I have a ski antique. Its like super bad ass!"
Photoshop...
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Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: February-19-2010 at 10:55am
I've got both, and the only time I appreciate my outboards more, is in reverse, (and at winterizing time!)
Like it's been said, drivability, sound, looks, coolness factor , all go to the inboards.
Now if it's a party you want, nothing beats bikinis, sun, music, drinks, and a 28' pontoon boat.
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Posted By: Netdewt
Date Posted: February-20-2010 at 10:46pm
Thanks for the info. I'm really excited and hopeful I can make this work. I love things that are designed simply and logically. Inboards seem to fit in there.
I am a bit worried about my parents' cabin. They have a harbor lot that gets really weedy later in the season. If the water is low, we trim up a lot.
What about weeds? How are they removed if reversing doesn't work?
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Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: February-21-2010 at 11:56am
Nate - You have hit on the 1 disadvantange of inboards - access to the prop. If you get something tangled up in it, you have to dive underneath to deal with it, or else get towed back to your trailer.
I accidently drifted over the ski rope last year & even though the engine was off, it got tangled in the prop. Got it loose, but not without 4 dives. I really should get a mask as standard emergency equipment.
Even with this disadvantage, I would not go back to a OB or IO.
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Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: February-22-2010 at 12:19am
Depending on how much seaweed, and how tightly its wrapped( and maybe a little luck?), I have ocassionally dislodged it by using reverse. But as stated..sometimes you gotta get wet!
btw, All I've ever owned were straight inboards.... Im eating a little crow with my son...I told him I'd never own an outboard... wellll, I bought a pontoon with one. But., I keep looking at how a "motor in the middle" would work!?
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Posted By: Netdewt
Date Posted: February-22-2010 at 1:04am
We keep the "trail" pretty clear, and we've used every trick in the book to get it as clear as possible, but there are always some left. We usually have to drive through fast with the jet ski to keep it from sucking up weeds.
Pictures of my son with the best views of the weeds I could find:
Towards the lake. You can see the "trail" in the top right. Great arm for a then 1.5 year old right?
You can see the weeds in the water here. Pretty typical.
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Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: February-22-2010 at 8:18pm
SNobsessed wrote:
Nate - You have hit on the 1 disadvantange of inboards - access to the prop. If you get something tangled up in it, you have to dive underneath to deal with it, or else get towed back to your trailer.
I accidently drifted over the ski rope last year & even though the engine was off, it got tangled in the prop. Got it loose, but not without 4 dives. I really should get a mask as standard emergency equipment.
Even with this disadvantage, I would not go back to a OB or IO. |
One trick for this I found this summer: at least in my boat that has the removable swim platform: the major pain for getting the rope out is the diving under the boat then go again for some air..etc..and starting all over again. But if you remove the platform the prop is almost there so you can work it in the water but no need to dive under the boat, and you can go all the way...I can remove my platform as i intalled some nice ss removable cleats custom made...before them I had some ugly rusted nails
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Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: February-22-2010 at 9:57pm
Inboards! Inboards! And only inboards.. Listen to these guys, and myself, they are the only way to go and fun to work on too. You will love the 2001 model in those years. There are several good ones on here for sale... Hope you find what you are looking for.. Maybe this will help you make your mind up too.. Click on link.. Listen to that sound!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0eC7uyTf4c
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Posted By: Netdewt
Date Posted: February-22-2010 at 11:35pm
I like the takeoff sound.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdXBBItZBiM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdXBBItZBiM
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Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: February-23-2010 at 12:04am
this is the coolest take off ever seen IMO!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs&feature=related - take off
impossible to match that sound with and OB....
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Posted By: Netdewt
Date Posted: February-23-2010 at 12:45pm
Is the noise loud enough to be "that guy" on the lake? Is it any louder than a 2-stroke OB?
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Posted By: Air206
Date Posted: February-23-2010 at 1:03pm
"That guy" in the "Testosterone-mobile" usually has his exhaust above the waterline (sometimes even elevated). If you keep exhaust year appropriate and buy a later model (mufflers got more effective with time), you won't be "that guy".
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Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: February-23-2010 at 1:33pm
The beauty of the inboards, especially the old "muffler-less' ones, is they have an authorative exhaust note, without being (to most people ) offensive...
Theres nothing better than starting one of my old inboards at the dock and listening to that 'glub-glub'!
The other thing... if you can control your foot...ie keeping it out of the gas, they do pretty good on fuel economy..... uhhhh, but with that available horsepower that can be a problem tho..
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Posted By: dominyhataway
Date Posted: February-23-2010 at 2:20pm
One major disadvantage to the inboard is running in shallow water and hitting underwater obstructions. You can hit something with either an inboard or outboard but the damage is usually much more severe if you hit something with an inboard. Typically on an outboard you will damage the prop and that's about it, with an inboard you can damage fins, rudder, prop, shaft etc. Inboards are also much more difficult to handle at low speeds particularly in tight areas. Inboards are superior tow boats though, with much more power, high speed maneuverability, and generally usually more reliable.
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: February-23-2010 at 3:00pm
dominyhataway wrote:
One major disadvantage to the inboard is running in shallow water and hitting underwater obstructions. You can hit something with either an inboard or outboard but the damage is usually much more severe if you hit something with an inboard. Typically on an outboard you will damage the prop and that's about it, with an inboard you can damage fins, rudder, prop, shaft etc. |
No name,
You mention the typical damage to a O/B (orI/O) is the prop. The same may be said of a I/B. It all depends on what you hit!! Have you ever had to replace the lower unit of a O/B or I/O? Even worse, have you ever seen a I/O transom ripped out from a hit? It's not pretty!!!
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Posted By: Netdewt
Date Posted: February-23-2010 at 3:13pm
Right, right, just don't hit anything.
I did my rock hitting when I was 12. We still have the prop to prove it. Done with that.
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Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: February-23-2010 at 3:24pm
dominyhataway wrote:
One major disadvantage to the inboard is running in shallow water and hitting underwater obstructions. You can hit something with either an inboard or outboard but the damage is usually much more severe if you hit something with an inboard. Typically on an outboard you will damage the prop and that's about it, with an inboard you can damage fins, rudder, prop, shaft etc. Inboards are also much more difficult to handle at low speeds particularly in tight areas. Inboards are superior tow boats though, with much more power, high speed maneuverability, and generally usually more reliable. |
since an I/O or outboard motor sit lower in the water than an inboard does, I.E. Draft, if you compare them to a inboard hitting something in shallow water the inboard is going to have a dinged prop the I/O and O/B will be leaving the lower unit back in the water where you made contact with that underwater object.
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Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: February-23-2010 at 4:10pm
8122pbrainard wrote:
Even worse, have you ever seen a I/O transom ripped out from a hit? It's not pretty!!! |
Definitely not pretty. My nephew whacked something in my sister's I/O. Tore up the transom. Got the boat towed a ways but then it sank in about 30 feet of water. A little air in the bow had it standing up on the bottom. They rescued it and sold it pretty much for junk after they got scared off by the horror stories of what it would take to fix. Someone handy picked it up and got it running again pretty quickly.
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Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: February-23-2010 at 4:49pm
Yea the sound of inboards are like no other. I love where I launch my boat, the park surrounds all around, and people watch boats cominng in and going out.. Love mine to rumble out or coming in, and its amazing the inboard sound, and peoples heads turn.. lol
Now those other videos are cool, this one is not a correct craft, but is a old inboard.. I dont know what motor this is but sounds like a 390 Ford. I grew up on these boats. Check this sound out..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV5m3pcuuoo This a great sound!!
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Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: February-23-2010 at 7:38pm
I joke with a friend that has a newer Mastercraft that "real ski boats" dont have open bows or mufflers?
Ive actually had a guy come up to us at the dock, after I started my boat, and ask if it had a big block? I I told him 'not quite'...I loved the look on his face when I lifted the cover to expose the big bad 6 banger in my 64.
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Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: February-23-2010 at 7:50pm
Steve,
Would agree boats lost there sounds starting in the late 90's. They started putting single mufflers on them.. What is that about? Dual mufflers.. Love to here the rumble taken off..
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Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: February-25-2010 at 2:53am
What lake was that in the Pics?
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Posted By: Netdewt
Date Posted: February-25-2010 at 3:31am
Girl Lake, Longville, MN
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Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: February-25-2010 at 11:38pm
Nate,
Aw you from the lake state? I used to drive a truck years ago, and used to deliver to minnesota.The lakes up there and cabins on the lakes where amazing. I would love to one year grab the fam and head up there with the nautique. My one catch being a tx boy, native, I couldnt handle 65 degree water in august..lol I am used to a bath water in the summer here in tx, and water temps up in october in the mid to low 70's.. Find you a 2001 my friend..
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Posted By: Netdewt
Date Posted: February-26-2010 at 1:49am
Yep, I grew up here. I live in the Twin Cities, but my parents have the cabin. They're thinking of selling their house now and moving up there since we all moved out finally. I love living in Minnesota and I don't see myself living elsewhere, but the winters can be tough. The way I think of it, the winters make the summers that much sweeter.
Every summer I dream about moving "up north". Best place in the world.
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Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: February-26-2010 at 7:23pm
Nate,
The north is pretty cool, my dad and mother are from the north. To make a long story short, my dad is a Nebreska man, and my mother is from Ohio. As you said, both there parents moved out of the north because of those winters and decided to move there familys down to the dallas/ft worth area. My dad has stories of his family when he wuz a boy, they used to spend there summers up there in minnesota on the lakes. He said the lakes and cabins and scenery is breathtaking...
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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: February-26-2010 at 7:27pm
Netdewt wrote:
Every summer I dream about moving "up north". Best place in the world. |
Key word here is "summer". Where do you dream about being in the middle of winter?
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Posted By: Donald80SN
Date Posted: February-28-2010 at 2:47am
Nate,
What ever inboard you purchase, please make sure you have a strainer on the water intake hose. The strainer should catch some of those weeds before they clog up you cooling system. My boat does not have one and I am going to add one to my boat. I rode on a 2001 Boat at the St. John's River Run last week and it had a strainer. It was dumped every morning and their was a lot of weed like stuff in the bowl each day. I was very suprised about how much stuff was collected. The Florida water had a lot of weeds in it.
JMO,
Donald
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Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: February-28-2010 at 4:18am
Donald, I heard boat doc say he thought strainers would cause more problems than do good. Someone got some stuff in their strainer at GL which is pretty weedy. It probly would have just gone thru had it not had a strainer. Anyway, just relaying what I know/heard.
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: February-28-2010 at 10:24am
I don't have strainers on any of my boats and have never had a problem. Depends on the waters you boat on.
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Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: February-28-2010 at 6:19pm
8122pbrainard wrote:
I don't have strainers on any of my boats and have never had a problem. Depends on the waters you boat on. |
I agree, I would think a muddy bottom (what we have here in IA) and weeds would be a different story.
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Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: February-28-2010 at 6:44pm
storm34 wrote:
Donald, I heard boat doc say he thought strainers would cause more problems than do good. Someone got some stuff in their strainer at GL which is pretty weedy. It probly would have just gone thru had it not had a strainer. Anyway, just relaying what I know/heard. |
I have seen several times a so called "insurance policy" create more problems than the issue it was to prevent.
To clarify above statement, the stainless steel mesh strainer was contaminated by so much "silt" that the intake filter stopped all water flow. We all know what happens to the little blades when you dry run.Because of the owner , high temp, the only damage done was to his impeller and a dent in his pride.
All this happened very close to the dock and an quick trip back on the trailer to replace a very damaged impeller, clean out the gunk plugging the screen and the day was saved.
I think the situation would have played out differently had he been in a different location nor paying attention to the temp guage.Any debris found in the stainer would not have harmed the engine in any way, the impeller will swallow and discharge a lot of debris before damage is done to the impeller. Lack of water for any reason means a quick death only repairable by new parts.
I am also one of those that uses no "protection" as Pete stated.I think they are more harm than good.But what do I know?????????????//
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Posted By: DrCC
Date Posted: February-28-2010 at 8:35pm
And, also too, The intent was, to have an easier way to catch and "clean-out" the debris before it reached the trans cooler.
A lot of folks do not check anything but the fuel gauge.
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Posted By: 62 wood
Date Posted: February-28-2010 at 10:01pm
OKAY..... Now back to the
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Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: February-28-2010 at 10:23pm
Gotta have a strainer.. Clean mine at the end of every season..
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Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-02-2010 at 5:34pm
skicat2001 wrote:
Gotta have a strainer.. Clean mine at the end of every season.. |
actually you should check it before you take off for the day/week-end and anytime you see a slightly higher than normal reading on the temp gauge.
Some say it's not needed and it leads to more problems than it's worth, I say their just lazy and don't want to use the safty device correctly for it's intended purpose as a filter.
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Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: March-02-2010 at 5:48pm
Chris is this your opinion or do you OWN A BOAT that has one installed?
We will wait on your reply, but I assume the latter is not the case.
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Posted By: Air206
Date Posted: March-02-2010 at 6:23pm
Ok Fellas - don't wanna get in the middle........ but here is my life with strainers:
Strainer on the 2004 206 - In our lake we always have lots of barklike debris in lake and I always find some in strainer.... clean 2-3 times a year and always debris inside (one year, 1/3 of plastic shopping bag - glad I didn't have to fish that out of anywhere else).
No Strainer on 78 Tique for 6 months then place strainer on (took advise and put it on upside down for self-drainage). Find same large-ish debris in it but not the fines that are in the other. I guess the self-draining part clears out the smaller particles.
In my lake, I am glad I use them......... FWIW.
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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: March-02-2010 at 6:58pm
I suppose an upside down strainer will let more silt and sand through instead of it sinking in the bowl, but the leak protection (it won't suck air after it's minimally full), and self drain in winter are huge positives.
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Posted By: Air206
Date Posted: March-02-2010 at 7:54pm
Yeah Hollywood,
In SW Virginia we usually don't think too much about freezing but the last two years have been doosies! Nice to have it self drain.........
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Posted By: skicat
Date Posted: March-02-2010 at 8:10pm
I heard the guy at GL had the problem because the area around the camp ground was so shallow this year the BFN he was in sucked the mud off of the bottom while at idle waiting to pick up the truck driver. By the way, this same guy told me the impeller was way cheaper than the tire blow out or the prop the above mentioned truck driver bent up by hitting the bottom!
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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: March-02-2010 at 8:15pm
skicat wrote:
I heard the guy at GL had the problem because the area around the camp ground was so shallow this year the BFN he was in sucked the mud off of the bottom while at idle waiting to pick up the truck driver. By the way, this same guy told me the impeller was way cheaper than the tire blow out or the prop the above mentioned truck driver bent up by hitting the bottom! |
A little off tangent... Greg, do you think you could pass along a message to this "GL guy" for me? Just curious if I should avoid the campground launch with the BFN at GL this year. Maybe towing it over to the launch at the park would be a good idea. Thanks!
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Posted By: skicat
Date Posted: March-02-2010 at 8:24pm
I will check with him, but I don't think launching or driving around the campground was a problem if you just watch the depth gauge. You only really have one small channel to get out of there. The problem comes in while sitting out there & you get blown around some & end up in really shallow water. Next time I would say he would just go out a little further & wait where it is not quite as shallow.
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Posted By: kytom2
Date Posted: March-02-2010 at 11:25pm
How can the truck driver bend up the prop,if hes driving the truck?
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Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: March-02-2010 at 11:36pm
Just like Pete said in a previous post, it matters what kind of water you run in. The lake I run in, the water is fresh (NO Salt water allowed) and clean. The strainer you can see if debris is in there, but the water I run in is fresh. Plus, I have always heard as you guys talken in some posts, direct drive inboards need at least 6ft of water to run in give or take. I stay away from banking the boat while running etc.. But a strainer is needed to keep unwanted junk out.. Yall agree?
------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson
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Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: March-02-2010 at 11:39pm
OverMyHead wrote:
What lake was that in the Pics? |
Where you asking me my friend? If you where, Lake Somerville.. Great inboard lake, great for the camping, cooking, drink some cold ones, and just relax.. Come visit we can ride my friend..
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Posted By: LaurelLakeSkier
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 2:05am
skicat2001 wrote:
.....I have always heard as you guys talken in some posts, direct drive inboards need at least 6ft of water to run in give or take... Yall agree? |
Six feet is a lot of water, far more than is needed by our ski boats. Half of that is plenty deep for most inboard ski boats.
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Posted By: Netdewt
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 4:15am
Hollywood wrote:
Netdewt wrote:
Every summer I dream about moving "up north". Best place in the world. |
Key word here is "summer". Where do you dream about being in the middle of winter? |
Summer. We're baking up here this week, high 30's!
The lakes I'll be in are silty and sometimes weedy. The "channel" or whatever I'd have to go through each time we dock is about 200 ft long, 10 ft wide, winding, really soft nasty warm rotting silty bottom, and about 3 feet deep. Sounds like it's possible...
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Posted By: chrisawalker45
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 11:39am
i run my boat in a lake that is anything from 2.5feet to 5 feet depending on the ime of year. The bottom is quite silty nd we get alot of weed. I do run the boat with a strainer, and it always has stuff in it, the only problem i have ever had with it was a slight split in the sealing ring, therefore it leaked air in and caused the temp to shoot up, this all depends on the boat, if u have a more recent one with a heat exchanger, this wouldnt have been a problem. I reckon with the depth etc, ull be fine and in my oppinion, i would recommend on running a strainer.
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Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 2:27pm
[QUOTE=chrisawalker45] i run my boat in a lake that is anything from 2.5feet to 5 feet depending on the time of year. The bottom is quite silty nd we get alot of weed. I do run the boat with a strainer, and it always has stuff in it
Well, you probally right, most inboards I can remember all had strainers on them. I bet you have to clean your strainer everytime you go out then.
I just try to stay out of shallow water, just scared I guess of hitting the rudders, or prop on something. If i know it is less than say 4ft, I turn the boat off.. Just me tho....
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Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 2:44pm
boat dr wrote:
Chris is this your opinion or do you OWN A BOAT that has one installed?
We will wait on your reply, but I assume the latter is not the case.
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first hand experience from installing and using one. Glad your contributing nothing to the thread richard.
Bet you just can't wait for Oct to come so that you can enjoy the 79nautique all month long there on your CCF calendar.
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Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 3:30pm
Chris, just pokin' fun at you again.......
You have a lot to add to the threads and your input into the makeup of boats, motors and trailers. Do not let me distract you from your duties,sorry if I poked a stick in your eye.
You have been missed, we always need an opossing veiw.......Billy
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 3:33pm
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Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 3:38pm
boat dr wrote:
Chris, just pokin' fun at you again.......
You have a lot to add to the threads and your input into the makeup of boats, motors and trailers. Do not let me distract you from your duties,sorry if I poked a stick in your eye.
You have been missed, we always need an opossing veiw.......Billy |
Sorry But I just don't see it your way, and it's getting very old.
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Posted By: boat dr
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 3:57pm
79nautique wrote:
boat dr wrote:
Chris, just pokin' fun at you again.......
You have a lot to add to the threads and your input into the makeup of boats, motors and trailers. Do not let me distract you from your duties,sorry if I poked a stick in your eye.
You have been missed, we always need an opossing veiw.......Billy |
Sorry But I just don't see it your way, and it's getting very old. | white flag raised
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Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 4:04pm
Wow, that all came out better than I anticipated hahaha..
So are we buying an inboard here or are we stuck on the outboard?? Seems darn black and white to me.
Moj'
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Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 4:15pm
Yall angry.. Damb! lol I think he inboard, we got him convinced, he just was worried he couldnt run it in shallow water..
I am ready for summer damb it..
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Posted By: Netdewt
Date Posted: March-04-2010 at 8:34pm
I am definitely focused in and sure I want an 82-86 2001. I am waiting to get my gas tank back so I can sell the motorcycle, and we've still got March to get through up here. I have some things to work out before it can happen, but my mind is pretty made up.
Thanks for all your input!
------------- 1989 Ski Nautique 2001, 940 hours
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Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-05-2010 at 1:11pm
you made a very good choice to stay away from the outboard and i/o's
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Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: March-11-2010 at 10:00pm
Hey Nate,
I sure the we got you interested in inboards now. If you have not found one yet either on this site, there are some good Nautiques 2001 on boattrader.com. http://www.boattrader.com/search-results/Zip-77493/Radius-any/NewOrUsed-any/Type-Power/Category-Ski%20and%20Wakeboard%20boat/Length-18,20/Year-1978,1990/Price-2500,20000/Fuel-GAS/Engine-DIRECT%20DRIVE/Sort-Length:DESC/
Check it out! See what you think..
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-12-2010 at 9:02am
skicat2001 wrote:
http://www.boattrader.com/search-results/Zip-77493/Radius-any/NewOrUsed-any/Type-Power/Category-Ski%20and%20Wakeboard%20boat/Length-18,20/Year-1978,1990/Price-2500,20000/Fuel-GAS/Engine-DIRECT%20DRIVE/Sort-Length:DESC/ |
http://www.boattrader.com/search-results/Zip-77493/Radius-any/NewOrUsed-any/Type-Power/Category-Ski%20and%20Wakeboard%20boat/Length-18,20/Year-1978,1990/Price-2500,20000/Fuel-GAS/Engine-DIRECT%20DRIVE/Sort-Length:DESC/%20 - Lee's link
Lee,
We've got to get you to handle the linking properly!!
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Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: March-12-2010 at 2:36pm
Thanks for doing that for me Pete..
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Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: March-21-2010 at 12:48am
skicat wrote:
I heard the guy at GL had the problem because the area around the camp ground was so shallow this year the BFN he was in sucked the mud off of the bottom while at idle waiting to pick up the truck driver. By the way, this same guy told me the impeller was way cheaper than the tire blow out or the prop the above mentioned truck driver bent up by hitting the bottom! |
Yeah..it sure was fun traveling with you 2 guys. Never a dull moment.
john
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AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"...
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Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: March-26-2010 at 4:22am
Where you asking me my friend? If you where, Lake Somerville.. Great inboard lake, great for the camping, cooking, drink some cold ones, and just relax.. Come visit we can ride my friend.. [/QUOTE]
Lost track of this one, Thanks for the invite, I thought the photo was actually my lake, but I wasnt even close, If I get to Texas I will look you up. I'll bring the cold ones.
------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique
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