Footing and Pain
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Printed Date: June-24-2024 at 9:36am
Topic: Footing and Pain
Posted By: Tomski
Subject: Footing and Pain
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 9:33am
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I've been wondering about this for a while and as it's winter I lack useful things to occupy me, so the question is - how much does a barefoot fall hurt?
I think about the pain a good crash at wakeboard speeds - 21-22 mph in my case - can inflict (I'm usually just about better from last weekend in time for next weekend) and I wonder how you guys cope? I'm 37 and can definitely feel that i don't bounce like i used to, some of you guys are, with all respect, a bot more than 37. I'm now wondering if I'm just soft and have a low pain threshold? Let me into your secrets. Tom ------------- Easily Parted From Money |
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Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 9:55am
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take up knitting cause it only gets worse, you become the driver instead of the driven as time goes on ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 10:46am
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I'm a few months away from 50 and I'll tell you that the hardest fall I took last year was on a darn wakeboard. I faceplanted harder than I ever have footing, it actually sent me to the boat and I sat out the rest of the day. I don't think I've ever hit so hard.
I will add I rarely have a fall footing that actually hurt, it's more of a bell ringer than pain and usually goes away pretty quickly. Every once in a while I'll come up dizzy from a faceplant, I've noticed I don't have the resistance to the dizzyness like I did when I was younger. Don't afraid to give it a try because of the falls, just get out with someone that knows what they're doing and the falls can be minimalized. At the very least grab Lane Bowers dvd because it has driving tips that may be helpful. ps. I sat out last year because of an unrelated injury but I plan to foot on my 50th birthday this summer and hope to do it again in another 10 years. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: WakeSlayer
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 11:05am
That is awesome. I plan to be so lucky. I have not kneeboarded since an injury in 2006 and, at least in my head, plan on riding again this year. I am 43, and definitely do not heal as fast as I used to. I think once you have the ability to barefoot you are a lot less likely to fall or get hurt as opposed to boarding in general. No one just rides a board around, you always want to try something new or big. And then there is the edge that acts like a lever and will pound you off the water like no other i.e. Alan's description. Even take a barefoot cilnic. I have taken a few from Lane and it will improve your ability and confidence so you won't even worry about the occasional digger. ------------- Mike N 1968 Mustang |
81nautique wrote:Posted By: WakeSlayer
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 12:19pm
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You also will frequently skip across the water on a barefoot crash. not so much at 22-23mph with a big piece of fiberglass strapped to you. ------------- Mike N 1968 Mustang |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 12:27pm
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Tomski
I'll be 47 next week. I've been footing since I was 13. I will tell you that the hardest falls I've taken have been wakeboarding. It's just like the snowboarding falls. With both feet locked in, there is less time to prepare for the hit. I ski on a show team, and one of the tricks I do (mainly because none of the young guys want to do it) is the two ski jump out. When this trick goes wrong, the falls are yard sale caliber. It's great if your a spectator, but it sucks being the footer. But, that being said, I still contest that wakeboard falls are more spooky, especially on the knees. ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 12:33pm
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I have lots of time footing but not much wakeboarding, but found the typical wakeboard forward toeside slap to be more violent than a typical barefoot forward biff feet-to-face. The BF is more spectacular and more style points awarded. Albiet i 1-foot at 36 mph, not 41.
I no longer foot but thats due to sinus irritations than the pain. The guys who taught me well are all 60+ and they are still going strong and putting on a clinic. Technique conquers all. At age 37 its beginning time you best not figgure it out the techniques the hard way, one needs an experienced driver/instructor to begin enjoying the barefoot experience. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 12:51pm
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Most painful falls I've had were on the wakeboard too, well the fall started on the wakeboard at least. Footing has caused plenty of eye peelers, bell ringers, scorpions, sack tears on failed 2 ski jump outs, shoulders yanked hanging on through falls (try not to do this anymore)... Then, you want to go backwards and suffer through another set of crashes!
Take the learning slow and surround yourself with [good] instruction, you'll do fine! ------------- |
Posted By: 86BFN
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 2:46pm
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It doesn't have to be so painful as many have stated.
besides "Pain is Temporary, Glory is Forever" 
BTW: I'll be 48 this year and do not plan on giving it up until I can no longer physically do it any more. Just like.... 
To bad they can't invent meds to get you up barefootin'  ------------- 👣 Steve http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4057&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1986&yrend=1986" rel="nofollow - 86 Barefoot Nautique 89 Martinique Former Owner: 93 Hydrodyne 350 MAG |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 3:01pm
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In my little experience on barefoot I haven´t got any fall I can say it really hurt..they look bad to see..you are in the feet and suddenly you are in the water haha but they are no hard..since I started I only had 2 bad falls and i felt the pain in the lower back..The scorpion i think they are called. But the pain went away inmediatelly
As Alan my worst fall were on a wakeboard..I even fainted once and was left floating face in the water for a couple of seconds until the boat came up to rescue me...I was carried in an ambulance to the hospital....bad experience!!! And a couple of time the hit was so hard I lost the memory for a few minutes... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 4:10pm
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***************, kap just reminded me that I've been knocked out once, broke my eardrum twice and broke my ankle once, that may be where my dizzyness comes from....but WTF "man up" and get out there.
All the above comes from being 21 and Hollywood balls to the wall crazy about footin. And those injuries came before we had a boom and no one to learn from, all trial and ERROR! haha I'm getting stoked just thinking about it. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: skicat
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 4:29pm
Sounds sort of like my goal Alan. This pic was last year at the lanier get together & my first time footin for about 15 years. Felt great even if it hurt! Have fun with it. 
 ------------- Greg http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2427&yrstart=1981&yrend=1985" rel="nofollow - 86 BFN |
Posted By: TX Foilhead
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 4:30pm
| Wakeboards are evil! I don't think the falls are any worse than what I can do to myself on a foil, but the wakeboard is more likely to do more substantial damage to your knees and ankles, and they happen much more frequently, at least in my case. I can see where the lack of equipment attached to a barefooter and speed keeps them from digging in an wrenching something as easy as you would with the slower speeds in other sports. |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 5:11pm
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All good advice above, keep in mind that one painful aspect you cannot do anything about is the burn of your feet, this does get better the more you foot but is mostly unavoidable.
I will also agree that WB falls can hurt like a mofo but they do not make my top three, have had a couple slalom falls at max velocity that have left me seeing stars like never before, my number one brain and body scrambler however was on the Sky Ski, only made it around 75% on a flip with big Air, hit so hard my feet even came out of the bindings that you shouldn't come out of, took me quite a while to shake those cobwebs off. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 6:03pm
OK since all the oldtimers are chiming in, I guess I will too, and until JBear gets home tonight, at 55, I think I am, momentarily, the senior ambassador. I guess the point of the seniors division offering opinions is that we are not quite as resiliant as we were 30 years ago, and we still find it worth the occasional ache or pain. I included Alan's response becasue its similar to mine. Multiple broken ear drums, a few days in the hospital with 31 stitches holding my heal back on, too many bell ringers to mention, back surgery (not directly related, but based on the timing of the symptoms that led to it, I would certainly say related, pulled hammies/groin just 2 summers ago, learning back deeps. The most common things, I would guess, are the bell ringer falls, which get your attention, but really arent too bad. Last fall I was taking some runs with a very experienced skier, but who had little exposure to barefooting. According to my son, who was driving, Peter was pretty amazed that I kept getting up and going for more after each fall. He thought each one was a run-ender, but to us, they were just another fall. Right now I am counting the days (estimated to be 87) till I get back out there and break in my new Barefoot Central neck brace. Can't wait!! ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: aokcaldwell
Date Posted: March-03-2010 at 10:54pm
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First timer, 37 years old, make sure you're with a good instructor. I am 42 and learned by kicking off a ski. When I was properly taught my 1st deepwater start with the proper instructions, an experienced driver and the right conditions, it was easier than getting up on two skis. Technique and form will save your arse and is the key to longevity. I can't remember the last time I did not get up on a deepwater start let alone a boom. Suggestion, invest in a good wetsuit, wear neoprene shorts underneath your wetsuit, buy a good barefoot rope, get instruction from an experience footer and get a good driver, otherwise you may get pulled through some serious rollers and be launched into orbit! You will be fine if you listen to this thread, they all have great suggestions. ------------- aok142 1999 NSS GT40 Pro Boss |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: March-04-2010 at 12:09am
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Thanks for the lead-in Larry.....
I'll up the ante...just turned 59 and will be footin' in 10 years when Alan turns 60. Wow...then I'll be knocking on..yikes. Learned to backerds when I was 57. Have to second what was said about good instruction. My guy was/is backfoot100..Eddie..what a teacher. Of course footin' with guys like Hollywood tends to keep one young. Invest in a neck brace too. Money well spent. As to the falls...best I can say is my wakeboard has been in the garage attic for 2 years now and is gonna stay there for awhile more. Jump and kite crashes used to hurt even when I was younger but I haven't done either of those in quite a few years. I'd show-off with a bacerds pic but I crahed my computer a couple weeks ago trying to "fix" it. So it might be awhile before I find my pictures. Man I hate computers! But our IT guy finally had pity on me and came to the house yesterday and got me going. Sure am glad to be back! john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: March-04-2010 at 1:19am
Think I might be able to help you out there John...I keep these around for motivation. 
and for the action shots... http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b24/lhine763/?action=view¤t=JohnBarefoot2008-1.flv"> 
------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: March-04-2010 at 1:46am
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Thanks Larry! Must be the very smooth water and great instruction..which btw..you could easily take advantage of with a short visit here. You'd get to try out that new neck brace.
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: March-04-2010 at 2:06am
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Wow John, the Mrs and I am impressed. Gracious host too. Good to see you back on here,thought you'd be getting withdrawals. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: March-04-2010 at 2:16am
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I was. I needed our IT guy to have pity on me. Did a house call last night..man it is good to be back on at full speed. Still some stuff to figure out tho..like no sound for some reason and lost all my addresses. Got to redo the favorites list..but still good to be back none the less.
What do you mean "gracious host"? We would have been better hosts if you had stopped for a night with me and Patti. BTW..still enjoying the liquid refreshment you brought me...thanks! john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: tullfooter
Date Posted: March-04-2010 at 11:33am
I have nasty first hand knowledge of this aspect of footin'. A couple of years ago, we were practicing for endurance footing when I developed a blister (not the first) on my heel from a long run. I didn't do anything with it until I noticed a strange smell. I checked out my heel, and the blister was black and gnarly looking. The next day I saw my doc. He sent me right to the hospital for a bone scan. He was worried that the deep blister, now infected, had reached the bone. If that would have happened, transfusions, or worse, they start lopping off parts. It all checked out good, but I had to off-weight the heel for 3 months. The Doc wanted me to use crutches early on. I told him there's no way I'm telling my buddies the crutches are because of a freakin' blister. So I limped around. A teammate of mine had his second or third round of heel burn surgeries this past season. The last one being a 3" round black heel. His Doc told him he has to quit doing what he's doing to cause it. His response was "I don't think so" ------------- Play hard, life's not a trial run. '85 BFN '90 BFN White Lake, Michigan |
Posted By: skierox
Date Posted: March-04-2010 at 12:38pm
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Heel blister, yup I know all about that! I did mine two years ago on the July 4th going long line! The lake was smooth,and I was was having a blast. I noticed that into a sharp left turn while outside the wake that my left foot began to burn, but felt better going back into the chop of the boat. It felt numb behind the boat! I ended my run because of a big 28 ft fishing boat throwing a good wake. At the time, I was upset at the fisherman, but he really did me a favor. My small eraser sized blister got worse as the day went on, did oatmeal baths and toher things, and stopped footing after that. The blister grew into the size of a quarter, never got black though! The wound repairs itself in layers from the inside out. While at a campground at the Wisconsin Dells, it finally closed up, same day that we were going to a water park. There was no way that I was going on any rides, I sat, read a book and let the air and sun continue to repair the damage. My mistake was that I also continued to ski while wearing a sock that summer, most likely adding bacteria to the wound.
I kept active, but could not wear closed toe shoes. My foot would really throb after walking around. While camping n mid August, I noticed these little flys (size of fruit flies) congregating around my wound, as I tried to keep it uncovered so that air could help to close it up! It's all good now, but I still have a dark pink area the size of a small eraser which shows the spot of the wound, not tender, but there! I still foot, but drop when it starts to burn! Only thing that came close was a fall from jumping into a cross wind and hitting the water sideways with the body! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=4101 - Former Owner of 89 Nautique /diaries/details.asp?ID=4100 - My 05 Nautique /diaries/details.asp?ID=4099 - My 99 Nautique |
Posted By: skierbrant
Date Posted: March-04-2010 at 5:03pm
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I will agree with everyone else. Wakeboard falls suck! I've never gotten injured so much in my 35 years of skiing like I have with wakeboarding! Barefoot falls are nothing! If you remember to tuck and roll when you fall. Seems hard to even think you have time to do that, but after time, you will learn to fall without taking one to the face! I do have video of my dad after his first successful attempt of a deep water start, stand up too straight, spit, then face plant! He actually bruised his eye lids! (he was 42 when he learned).
Lane bowers has a video on youtube of a 76 year old man that is backfooting! He learned at age 70. It helps to go out with someone with experience so you learn the right way the first time! ------------- mailto:skierbrant@aol.com - Brant Augensen http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1536&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1989&yrend=1989 - My 89 Nautique |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: March-29-2010 at 1:12pm
talking about pain..had a bad scorpion yesterday, my neck and waist are still in pain, Waist is still stiff and I can´t arch back!!! 
lesson: never foot in choppy waters!!! ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: March-29-2010 at 1:56pm
Well overall, I'd say that sounds like a pretty good day of footin' The aches and pains the next day are pretty much a direct correlation to the fun and satisfaction of the day as you can see in the data from the following scientific study. 
But it does help to find relatively smooth water. I've seen some of your videos and you do try to tackle some pretty rough water. All that being said...do be careful out there...you don't want to bust yourself to the point of losing out on time on the water ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: March-30-2010 at 1:23am
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You must be pretty busy at work these days Larry...10:56am!
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: March-30-2010 at 12:57pm
Priorities, John. Besides, spreadsheets and graphs almost look like real work. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: March-30-2010 at 1:14pm
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little better today..still some pain though...
lol ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: March-30-2010 at 1:18pm
That's good news. As long as you're all better by the weekend so you can go out and do it all over again. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: March-30-2010 at 1:29pm
Easter or else weekend here, I´m leaving out of town, to the country, so no boating this WE....  ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: SkiNautique 200
Date Posted: April-02-2010 at 4:28pm
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Barefooting like any watersports can have nasty crashes. Its true that you don't have a board to "launch" you, but you can fall very awkwardly with arms out, injuring shoulders and knees, but the biggest issue would be concussions. I have taken thousands of falls, several with concussions, but that didn't stop me from continuing my set. Anyone who says they got dinged, or see stars and stuff like that is on the verge of conscussion. Scorpion falls hurt as well, thats where your legs touch your back or very close. That one will send you to chiropractor. I would say for me however, is when I was learning to backwards barefoot. That was like getting into 35 car accidents everyday for a month. Needless to say my neck lost its natural curvature. I know there are more talented skiers out there than me, but stuff happens. It doesn't stop me or slow me down yet, I assume there will be some reprocussions in the future, but it is what it is. I rarely fall now, a few times a summer, but I don't push the envelope anymore, maninly working on a few new tricks, but mostly just in maintenance mode. You can successfully learn how to barefoot, with very few falls at the professional schools in Florida. Its when you go out with some buddies (who know how to foot) so that makes them an expert that you really get yourself into trouble. Learn properly and you won't have too much trouble. Again, you can avoid obvious crash situations like, letting go before a set of rollers instead of trying to foot through etc, that will make it much more enjoyable as well. Also not doing endurance will help as well, losing the fatty tissue in your heels, is not my idea of fun, I have seen it happen, pretty gross.
I would take a lesson from an acredited coach, then once you get proficient, you can perform many tricks and rarely fall. Even so when you do fall those crashes will usually be anticipated and not be very violent. However, you can still take the crash, that comes out of no where. Do 1 foot wakes, or backwards hit a set of rollers that you couldn't see. Show skiing and endurance footing is a recipe for disaster with rough water being the norm. However, in controlled settings, on a boom and shortline, you can do a lot of footing without incident. I hope you take up the sport of barefooting, when done properly its a ton of fun, and great for the whole family. However, if you learn from joe blow, it can be rough. Take Care and Happy Footing |
Posted By: LakeBoy
Date Posted: April-29-2010 at 2:51pm
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Barefooting = pain
Simple formula. I do not embrace the pain, but there are a few ways to avoid a headpacker. Plan for it: be smart, ski in best conditions, stretch, ski within your means, and most of all, wear a neckbrace! For kicks, I put together a wipeout video of me and my guys. This is about 8 months of skiing represented here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgwEZqa7XuU - Barefoot Wipeouts! Enjoy! ------------- Got Foot? |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: April-29-2010 at 3:21pm
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Excellent compilation Roy. Lots of fun!! For some masochistic reason, it makes me very anxious to get out and hit the water...so to speak. Finally due to happen in the next few weeks...I would hope.
It's funny, a lot of those falls you can see why they happened. Others, there is absolutely no apparent reason...other than the barefoot gods coming up and biting you in the arse, just for the fun of it. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: April-29-2010 at 3:58pm
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Good video roy, lots of legendary falls in there. ------------- |
Posted By: WakeSlayer
Date Posted: April-29-2010 at 4:01pm
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That makes me want to foot BAD!! ------------- Mike N 1968 Mustang |
Posted By: LakeBoy
Date Posted: April-29-2010 at 4:21pm
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those falls that have no explanation I thing are a hand that come up from the murky depths and grabs your foot! Good observation 75, that's why I video so much is to see what is really going on. A lot of times it is a slight out of position body combines with catching a toe. Often i look down (go down!) and the shoulders and hips move slightly forward, catch a toe, then BAM!
Wearing a neckbrace has taken SOOOO much pain (and risk) out ov my falls. God also blessed me with an instinct to let go of the handle quickly when I start to fall. Hanging on too long, or trying to pull it out really increases the pain of falling. ------------- Got Foot? |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: April-30-2010 at 5:17pm
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5 points to Andy for hangin' on to that jump-off-the-back-of-the-boat start....that was a pretty good hop. ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: LakeBoy
Date Posted: April-30-2010 at 5:25pm
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If I recall he bit his lip on that one. Even Andy was surprised how much he bounced. I start thinking about trying one of those and think the better of it. ------------- Got Foot? |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: May-03-2010 at 11:47pm
OUCH!!! that gotta hurt!!  ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: LakeBoy
Date Posted: May-15-2010 at 1:58pm
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Well, here is a good one for footing and pain. Hit a small roller while tumbling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdFcKyOvqqc - Tumble Turn Wipeout ------------- Got Foot? |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: May-16-2010 at 12:27am
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Think I'll be sore tonight too. Footed today with bad form and posture, paid the price. ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: LakeBoy
Date Posted: May-18-2010 at 12:43pm
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OK. You guys get to see all the good runs in a session via SacFooter videos. Here are a few runs from Sunday that did not make the cut. I was off a bit that day, but still had fun. If I did not wear a neck brace I would have gotten hammered.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1CQlE7H88Y - Hard Day of Footin' ------------- Got Foot? |
Posted By: 75 Tique
Date Posted: May-18-2010 at 1:49pm
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"Some days are diamonds, some days are stones"
-John Denver ------------- _____________ “So, how was your weekend?” “Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.” |
Posted By: SkiNautique 200
Date Posted: May-18-2010 at 3:11pm
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Hi Sacfooter,
Those falls are brutal, but if you backfoot, its going to happen eventually. The main reason for those falls is that you aren't transfering your weight before you lift. Even your best transfer is about 50%. You need to be at 90% transer + before you lift. It seems counterintuitive, because when you have all of your weight transfered your foot is deep in the lake. However, the reason you are catching is your lack of transfer before you lift. I love the boom cam! Always makes for a cool shot, keep working it! |
Posted By: LakeBoy
Date Posted: June-14-2010 at 7:53pm
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Thanks for those observations. I know what you mean about the weight transfer. It is hairy sticking most of my weight on that foot, especially my reverse. I also learned over the weekend if I bend my knees a bit more, get more arch in the back, that my foot glides better and it is easier to pick up the one-foot. I took a few headpackers over the weekend. Always glad I wear the neckbrace. ------------- Got Foot? |