Spindle Replacement??
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Topic: Spindle Replacement??
Posted By: xjglen
Subject: Spindle Replacement??
Date Posted: March-18-2010 at 4:43pm
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I can't remember what the spindle/axle looks like on my trailer. Is the spindle replaceable or not. Mine are pitted and I'm considering either replacing them if that's possible, or going with some speedy-sleeves. However, for the cost of the speedi-sleeves I could get new spindles.
1993 CC trailer, single axle. ------------- 93 Ski Nautique |
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-18-2010 at 4:57pm
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Glen,
Spindles are replacable but it's a torch and weld job. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-18-2010 at 5:06pm
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doesn't matter that the spindles are pitted they are not set up for roller bearings, they are set up for tapered roller bearings so the race is in the hub and that is the important surface for the bearing. So unless the bearing is loose fitting on the spindle you don't have anything to worry about. But you do need to worry about where the lip-seal for the hub rides towards the rear of the spindle. If that is smooth and free of pitting your good to go if not get a speedy sleeve and call it a day. If the bearing is loose on the spindle get a speedy sleeve for it to correct the problem. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: xjglen
Date Posted: March-18-2010 at 5:55pm
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It's the area where the seal rides which is pitted... I've got a problem with grease in my brakes on both sides. I do have a torch but my welder would be too weak for the job. I could call on a friend I guess.
How does the spindle fit onto the axle?? Is it a blind hole that it slides into, and then welded? I'm only considering this because like I said before, you can get and axle cheaper than a speedy-sleeve and a speedy sleeve is going to require some sort of tool I would imagine. Maybe I'm nuts!!! ------------- 93 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-18-2010 at 6:01pm
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buy a new axle ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: xjglen
Date Posted: March-18-2010 at 6:13pm
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I should correct what I said in my previous post. I meant to say I can buy a new spindle cheaper than a speedy-sleeve. I would still need to remove the old one an install the new one.
Is the original axle and spindles a single piece?? Or are the spindles welded onto the axle?? Sorry for all the questions...I'm just trying to get the brakes on my trailer actually working. ------------- 93 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-18-2010 at 6:20pm
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Glen,
Yes the spindles are welded in and the reason I mentioned the torch. (oxy-acetylene). The weld is usually blind IE: a hole in the axle tube filled with weld to the spindle. The complete weld needs to be blown out. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: xjglen
Date Posted: March-18-2010 at 6:29pm
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So then.. the spindle slides into a blind hole in the axle and then is plug-welded form a hole runnig perpendicular...so the plug-weld itself bares no load...the plug weld just keeps the spindle in place. Is this correct?? ------------- 93 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Randy_in_Ohio
Date Posted: March-18-2010 at 8:04pm
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I went down this road with my original trailer and ended up just selling it and replacing it with a new trailer. The problem I ran into was I couldn't find a replacement axle with the correct drop. I was looking into having an axle made with the drop but the price was around $700. I didn't feel comfortable having a new spindle welded on and some guys told me it would be difficult to get it on perfectly straight and may end up wearing the tires unevenly. Once I added up what it was going to cost to have an axle made and have the trailer refurbished... it just made more sense to replace the trailer.
I think I may have had a new spindle welded on and refurbished the trailer if I didn't pull the boat long distances, but I do, and the peace of mind knowing I have two good axles with sealed hubs and 4 disk brakes has made my travels better and keeps the wife from worrying 
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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: March-18-2010 at 8:12pm
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^^ I'd be more worried about the truck! LOL ------------- |
Posted By: Randy_in_Ohio
Date Posted: March-18-2010 at 8:37pm
Ha, ha HW! I figured it would be Eric bustin my balls about the truck! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1602&yrstart=1991&yrend=1995" rel="nofollow - 1993 Sport Nautique |
Hollywood wrote:Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: March-18-2010 at 8:45pm
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I'm second shift. ------------- |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: March-18-2010 at 9:33pm
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Or you could try this http://www.bearingbuddy.com/spindle_seal.html - spindle seal same idea as a speedy sleave but made for this application. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: xjglen
Date Posted: March-18-2010 at 10:33pm
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This looks promising, but are there any testimonials? ------------- 93 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-18-2010 at 10:58pm
Glen, The spindle doesn't go in a blind hole but just into the inside of the axle tube. Then yes, the hole in the tube is plug welded to the spindle. I'd give that Bearing Buddy seal a try. Sure would be easier plus they do make a good product. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: xjglen
Date Posted: March-18-2010 at 11:51pm
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For some reason I thought the axle was a solid piece, but a tube does sound a lot more reasonable come to think of it.
I guess it's time to tear it all apart again and figure something out. I did find this deal on brakes but I wonder about quality. What do you guys think??? http://www.southwestwheel.com/store/p-149-d742030.aspx ------------- 93 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-19-2010 at 10:42am
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Not sure the suggested bearing buddy seal is going to do the trick, you still have a lip seal riding on the old journal that is pitted, it's only adding an o-ring basicly. The first piece that goes on just puts a finished surface over the face of an unmachined rough finished surface so the o-ring, so it's going to still blow past the lip seal and over the o-ring, but that's just my designer instinct kicking in. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: xjglen
Date Posted: March-19-2010 at 4:06pm
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That was my feeling as well...(BB-seals)
Here are the spindles I was referring to-> http://www.trailerpart.com/spindles.htm . I just need to get under there and determine if it feasible. ------------- 93 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: March-19-2010 at 11:06pm
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I have them but have not taken them apart to see how they look. Part #1 in the pic is cup shaped to fit over the old seal surface.Then the oring goes on between that part and the bearing to seal the spindle to that cup. Then the oversize seal runs on the outside of the cup. You put pressure on the bearing buddy and the oring just keeps the grease from going out between the spindle and where the cup meet.All but one size is under $13 one is 21. I think it's worth a try, if it works great,alot cheaper than having a spindle replaced only to rust out again. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-20-2010 at 10:38am
Gary, Take a look and post a picture if you can. When our master designer made the above statement, I just couldn't believe they would design/market a seal upgrade and then use the old spindle seal surface!!------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: xjglen
Date Posted: March-20-2010 at 4:39pm
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So...can anyone tell me with certainty that this system works then?
If I used this system would I need to run bearing buddies?? I'm not a fan. ------------- 93 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-22-2010 at 11:01am
well maybe the picture isn't to scale but don't see how an o-ring smaller than the sleeve's O.D. is going to ride on that surface or for a lip seal with a smaller I.D. is going to ride on the same surface so it must not be to scale but then if it is to scale it's going to be exactly the way I discribed it would POS waist of money not going to fix the problem. These are design with the intent that the spindle and the sealing surfaces are good, not to repair a spindle, but what the hell do I know, ever designed a liquid cooled rotor in an AC induction motor or even seen one? you don't use lip seals that's for sure. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-22-2010 at 12:20pm
Chris, Let me get this straight - you want to put liquid cooling in a trailer spindle? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-22-2010 at 12:33pm
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FYI it's not an up-grade but an additional part for the bearing buddies to work properly. Not to repair a bad bearing/seal journal. FYI PETE hewitt, floe, shore station.. Research try it sometine... might see what you can find for AC induction motors too. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-22-2010 at 1:21pm
This may be very true. We'll see when Gary opens the package for a better idea of how the seal works. You are correct that the exploded view leaves allot to the imagination.
I already did but stated the frame sizes in general terms and admitted that. Maybe you didn't read the responce thoroughly. I thought you were going to list all the sizes by manufacturers!
Oh but I'm very familier with the water cooled AC induction moters with hands on experience. We've got several older large variable frequencies that use water cooling. These were designed back in the early days when the PWM/voltage/frequency control was very crude plus inverter grade insulation wasn't around so they needed to be kept cool. 2 are even running on 2300 volt. We even have some large eddy current drives that are water cooled. 50 tons (600K BTU) of cooling tower to handle the load. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-22-2010 at 1:33pm
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NOT water and not a stator, oil cooled rotor not the stationary stator windings. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-22-2010 at 1:54pm
Chris, Did I say stator? No and once again you are reading into what you want to gain for your personal advantage. Sorry that I wasn't more explicit for you to understand and should have mentioned they are equiped with rotary unions. The "hands on" I mentioned, involves having several of these drives apart!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: March-22-2010 at 1:59pm
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maybe it was the moters that threw me. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: March-23-2010 at 2:52am
I figured that,thats why you have a '93 trailer with bad sealing surfaces and I have a '69 that just needed them
Why don't you just ask http://www.bearingbuddy.com/contact.htm - bearing buddy and see what they say? Pete and Chris, the instruction picture is the same as the one I posted above. You install that cap shaped sleeve which the outside becomes the new sealing surface,then the o ring goes on the spindel.You then put the hub on with the supplied seal and when you set the bearing clearance the o ring is then between the inner bearing race and the sleeve to keep the grease from going thru where the sleeve and the spindel meet. Seems to work. I just thought it would be something to try,no welding, no removing of the brakes and can even leave the boat on while you work on it. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-23-2010 at 8:58am
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Gary,
Sounds like a nice set up. I can see now what they are doing. The "O" ring is static sealing the new stainless cup/sealing surface to the old spindle and then the new seal rides on it. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: March-23-2010 at 10:39am
I have a set of these on my 81 trailer, 2 years, lots of road miles and they've never leaked. The seal is the same design as original, just sized to go over the sleeve. The sleeve itself has a simple O ring and seems to work fine. You might be able to force grease out of the seals if you over fill the bearing buddy with a grease gun but you will do that with just about any seal. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |