Starter gets hung up
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Topic: Starter gets hung up
Posted By: Tag962
Subject: Starter gets hung up
Date Posted: July-06-2010 at 1:38pm
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Help!!!! Every once in a while my starter gets hung up. The boat starts and the starter is not releasing. I took it to a dealer (its a 1990 SN 196) he replaced the fly wheel & put an upgraded starter & a brand new battery in & problem still exists. Does anyone have any ideas??? ------------- Greg |
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Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: July-06-2010 at 1:51pm
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CCA of the battery is a little low and the cables are most likely corroided. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: Tag962
Date Posted: July-06-2010 at 1:58pm
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Cables are brand new battery is 500 cranking amps, is that sufficient? ------------- Greg |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-06-2010 at 2:14pm
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Greg,
500 is on the low side. Is that what the dealer had in stock? Hopefully they were smart enough and didn't put a deep cycle in the boat!! When they put the new cables in, did they go bigger or use the same gauge? Check your voltage at the starter while cranking. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Tag962
Date Posted: July-06-2010 at 2:29pm
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I will try that thank you!! ------------- Greg |
Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: July-06-2010 at 2:30pm
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We used to save the 425's and 500's for the pontoon boats. Your about 200 shy.
and I concur with Pete, no deep cycle. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: July-06-2010 at 4:20pm
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what gauge cables did they install 2 gauge, if so have them removed and 0/2 installed. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: Tag962
Date Posted: July-06-2010 at 4:26pm
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Im not sure of the gauge but I will check into it. I hate electrical on boats, so difficult!! ------------- Greg |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: July-06-2010 at 4:31pm
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should be labeled in small print on the side of the cable's insulation. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-06-2010 at 4:31pm
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Greg,
Chris did a "typo" above. He meant to say the cable should be 2/0 and not 0/2 as typed. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Tag962
Date Posted: July-06-2010 at 4:37pm
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Ok thanks! I will check into when I get home. I know it is pretty thick stuff but I will see what # is on there. They worked fine all last summer so I would be surprised if that is what the problem is, but I am open to all suggestions!!! ------------- Greg |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: July-06-2010 at 5:44pm
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it might be label "OO" too. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: Tag962
Date Posted: July-07-2010 at 4:36pm
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Everything looks fine but I believe I have a short. When I turn the key to the on position I am showing a reading of 10 volts. I guess I have a draw somewhere so that is taking away from the cranking power. Any suggestions on where to start? ------------- Greg |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: July-07-2010 at 4:41pm
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yea the battery
it should read over 13 volts at the posts, if not its junk ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: July-07-2010 at 4:43pm
take it back and tell them to warrenty their work as it's not repaired properly and the idiots used the wrong battery to boot. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Tag962 wrote:Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-07-2010 at 4:52pm
First, check your voltage at the battery and not at the gauge. If your battery shows higher then this may be a classic case of voltage drop to the dash. Clean all connections from the engine to and including under the dash. A wiring upgrade to the dash may even be needed. For a parasitic load, you put the VOM in series between one of the battery cables and the battery terminal. Don't crank the engine. Start with the meter set to 20 (or 10 on some) amps. Check what amps it shows and you may be able to set the meter to the MA scale. It will be more accurate. If there's something drawing power, it will show up on the meter. Pull fuses or turn off breakers one at a time and when the meter goes to zero, that's the circuit that's drawing power. BTW, with you turning the key to the on position, you are sending power out to the ignition system. Do you feel somethings draining the battery over time? You need to answer these questions so we can help: What about the cable size, the battery size (already known to be too small) and is it a start or deep cycle? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: July-07-2010 at 5:04pm
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Posted By: GottaSki
Date Posted: July-07-2010 at 5:09pm
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I concur,
and the low dash voltage is significant, its load is not trivial, its powering the coil, the alternator, the choke element, blower. 2 volts low turns into three when powering the solenoid. Then add the starter current load on the battery and the dash will drop further, then there is not enough holding power on the contactor, it chatters, arcs and melts closed. ------------- "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing." River Rat to Mole |
Posted By: Tag962
Date Posted: July-07-2010 at 5:53pm
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You guys are great, I really appreciate all the ideas. I will check into all of this when I get home. I did check the cable and it is 2 gauge, so I should remove that & use 2/0? ------------- Greg |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-07-2010 at 6:12pm
Highly recommended. Then take the 2's back to the dealer. You can then explain to them where they can put them!! 
BTW, the 2/0 has about 50% more current carrying capacity over the #2. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Tag962
Date Posted: July-09-2010 at 1:47pm
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Ok, so I got the 2/0 cable. Call me stupid but like I said before I am not a mechanic by any means. I am going to run it from the battery to the solenoid, then from the solenoid to the starter. Should I also install this stuff for the negative & ground??? ------------- Greg |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: July-09-2010 at 2:08pm
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yes neg post on battery to ground on block ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-09-2010 at 2:10pm
Yes, the amps go through it too. Did you get premade with lugs/battery terminals? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Tag962
Date Posted: July-09-2010 at 2:33pm
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I got the lugs but I have to put them on when I cut to length. ------------- Greg |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-09-2010 at 3:24pm
Are they the fancy screw on or the crimp on? If crimp on, I suggest soldering the lug after the crimping. This will seal up the connection. I don't recommend the cheaper bolt on with the strap battery terminals. I have used them in a pinch but then use plenty of dielectric grease at the connection of the cable to the terminal. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-09-2010 at 5:05pm
Screw on style battery terminal:
Cheap style:  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Tag962
Date Posted: July-09-2010 at 5:35pm
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I used used solder to connect the lugs to the end of the new wire with heat shrink to color code for the next lucky owner of this boat (jk). I also picked up new connections that slide over the battery posts and then the log slides over a smaller post and is tightened with a wing nut. I will let you know what happens. Thanks for your help, I am praying that this solves it!!! ------------- Greg |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-09-2010 at 5:43pm
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Greg,
Did you get a new larger CCA battery. Did you ever check to see if the marina put a deep cycle in it? One last thing, I recommend you do put a new starter relay (solenoid) in since the contacts inside are already burnt/welded. Sounds like you did a pro job on the cables! You could teach the marina something!  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Tag962
Date Posted: July-09-2010 at 5:56pm
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I did buy a new solenoid so I guess I did something right. I put my 850 cranking amp battery back in & it is not a deep cycle. I put a load on it & it hangs right at 12. Volt meter on dash still says just under 10....Could the meter be broken, or do I have a short? ------------- Greg |
Posted By: 79nautique
Date Posted: July-09-2010 at 6:07pm
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it should measure over 13v at the battery ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=756&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1979&yrend=1979 - 79 nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-09-2010 at 6:10pm
Check the volts behind the dash with the meter and compare it to the gauge. Then read this again:
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Posted By: Tag962
Date Posted: July-21-2010 at 11:46pm
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Had dash wired by nautique dealer, have 2/0 wires on, have brand new 650 cranking amp battery (not deep cycle). Starter still getting hung up. Any other ideas.... ------------- Greg |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-22-2010 at 8:52am
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Greg,
What did the dealer do under the dash? Are they the same people who put the #2 cables and deep cycle battery in the boat? Disconnect the cable from the start relay (solenoid) to the starter keeping it from cranking and get the volt meter out again. Check to make sure the power from the ignition switch to the start relay is turning on and off when you turn the key from the start to the run position. EDIT: You said you put in a new starter relay but when? Was the new one installed when you had the undersize battery? I'm just wondering if it burnt up too. While you have the starter cable disconnected, set your meter to Ohms and check across the two big studs for continuity (ignition key turned off). ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |