82 - 2001 Ballast Help
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Topic: 82 - 2001 Ballast Help
Posted By: akabulla
Subject: 82 - 2001 Ballast Help
Date Posted: August-05-2010 at 1:49am
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I need some help picking out what ballast I can put into my 2001. I have read that in my 2001 if I put one large bag in the back the wake gets very steep which I have seen when people are sitting on the back seat. I also want to get some bags that I can eventually put in a v-drive I plan on buying in the future.
Would it work if I get two of these and put them next to the engine? Would they fit? http://www.evogear.com/fly-high-pro-x-series-v-drive-fat-sac-set-ballast-bag-2007.aspx#Description - V-Drive Sacs Then I could put both on one side for surfing. I think 800 lbs would be plenty for me for a while. Thoughts? And what pumps should I buy? Which ones are the best? Thanks for the help! |
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Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: August-05-2010 at 2:02am
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They will fit beside your motor box.
They may or may not fit in your V-Drive. If you buy a 2002 or newer super air with the built in wedge tanks, they won't fit. However, you can still use them, you just might not be able to fill them up all the way. I use the same size bags in my 2001 VDrive for surfing. Rarely use any ballast for wakeboarding because I'm not good, and don't need the ballast. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: August-05-2010 at 2:04am
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P.S. I assume your not going to plumb in the bags into your 82, so for now, you'll only need 1 pump. I use the Tsunami pump with the quick connect to the bags. Works pretty well. Has a cigarette lighter power cord. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: August-05-2010 at 2:06am
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Those are probably fine, I have done the 440lb covered models on the side of the engine box, and the 350 pound v sacks with the nylon straps around and both work awesome as a pair next to the box with just one or two people in the boat.. with a couple more people I just put one in front of the back seat.. I would expect the 400's will give you plenty of options, but I would want someone else to give you some feedback on if those will hold up out of a locker or not. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: akabulla
Date Posted: August-05-2010 at 2:11am
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Ok, good points. Yes I am not going to plumb them in so I think the single pump will work. I will need to install a few cigarette sockets because when I did my rebuild I didn't install any but that should take me only a few minutes.
Reading the reviews it seems like they will hold up outside of the locker. It says they are made of some pretty thick material. I am looking on ebay now to see if I can find some at a decent deal. Joe when I built my floor I used 4lb foam and three layers of matt. I would think that should hold up to the weight of these no problems right? |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: August-05-2010 at 2:20am
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If you can stand on the floor then the fat sack aint gonna be an issue a 200 lb guy on size 11 feet is putting many times more psi on the floor than that 400 lb sack ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: akabulla
Date Posted: August-05-2010 at 2:23am
| Cool! Thanks, that is what I thought. Just like to be safe! The floor is now on it's second season and has been holding up great so I don't think I will have any problems. |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: August-05-2010 at 1:00pm
You will only need one electrical. My boat is larger than yours, and cord reaches no problems regardless of where I am placing the ballast. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
akabulla wrote:Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: August-05-2010 at 2:34pm
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only problem with cigarette sockets is that they are usually china made and after some uses they won´t hold and you get pissed off..as someone needs to hold it in place to get a good conection..try to get a good quality set....
------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: MI-nick
Date Posted: August-05-2010 at 3:00pm
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you can put alligator clips on the pump and just connect to your battery directly.
800lbs in a 2001 = nice wake. ------------- As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure... |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: August-05-2010 at 3:43pm
that how I connect mine...  ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: akabulla
Date Posted: August-05-2010 at 6:51pm
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Perfect! Thanks for the help guys!
I ordered the 2 400s and the Tsunami pump. I have wanted to put an external plug on my observer seat to make it easier to hook up my trickle charger so maybe I will install that now and just wire the pump to the plug I install and will have a quick connection for it. Thanks again for the help! |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: August-05-2010 at 11:53pm
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Two 350s, ends sitting about a foot forward of the rear seat, one on each side of the engine. Add a couple of teenagers in the back seat and you really have something. Got mine off craigs list for 100$ used (launch pads), Pump from wake slayer ( Thanks Mike, it works great.) ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: rmm025
Date Posted: August-06-2010 at 12:21am
I agree, usually just me and another buddy or two and we put 2 450's almost touching the back seat and my icechest between motor box and rear seat. Best combo of wake and control. If I put them up even with the motorbox, I can't seem to hold speed as well. Move them back to the seat and 22-24 holds nicely. |
Posted By: akabulla
Date Posted: August-06-2010 at 1:58am
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Ok cool! I will move them around a bit and try to figure out where the best wake is produced! Thanks again!
Later |
Posted By: emccallum
Date Posted: August-10-2010 at 12:25pm
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I just bought a 20/20/50 fatsac (750lbs) with a Tsunami pump to use in my 2001SN.I was planning to use it as a back seat. My son has been into wakeboarding this summer, and this seems cheaper than a new boat! I will post how it works out.
I did some wakesurfing a couple of weeks ago, and my buddy had several kids and about 1200lbs in his 2006 SN. It was barely out of the water on one side. It was pretty fun, but it was a lot of work to drive the boat and set everything up. Not my gig. |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: August-10-2010 at 2:04pm
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I use a jump pack to power my pump. Some have a 12V socket, some just jumper cables. Fairly light and portable and puts no stress on boat battery. I usually fill/drain mine at the dock and don't even need to keep it on board. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: emccallum
Date Posted: August-10-2010 at 2:40pm
Good idea! 
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Posted By: akabulla
Date Posted: August-10-2010 at 4:18pm
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With the engine running there shouldn't be to much stress on the battery right?
I like the idea of being able to fill and drain while out on the lake so if I want to change the configuration of the bags from wake boarding to surfing I would have access to the pump. I can't image moving a 400lb fatsac will be that easy once full. I am still waiting on my stuff to be delivered. I can't wait! |
Posted By: emccallum
Date Posted: August-10-2010 at 4:33pm
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A friend of mine (big wakesurfer) told me he had a ton of weight in the boat, and a big storm blew in. They were really fighting getting the weight out of the boat on the way to the ramp. Kind of scared him!Everyone has their own "routine" in boating, depending on their situation. I rarely venture far from the dock while skiing, and one sac isnt a ton of weight compared to what some folks are putting in the boat!
You cant move them when they are full! If you were in a bind, just open the sac and let the bilge pump it out! |
Posted By: wakeboardin2k4
Date Posted: August-10-2010 at 7:53pm
This is what 1000 looks like so you should be happy with 800....for now. I am not a very good rider but man adding an extra 400 to bump mine up to 1400 makes it such a nice wake.
 ------------- "I'm planning to bring my girl that rides on a trailer with me and leave my girl that complains about camping at home" |
Posted By: akabulla
Date Posted: August-11-2010 at 12:52am
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I like! How fast and how long is your rope?
Later |
Posted By: wakeboardin2k4
Date Posted: August-11-2010 at 1:19am
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im 6'2 also btw. I want to upgrade to 800s per side of the box or get a couple of 300s to put on top of my 500s.
I ride at 23-24 around 70-75 feet. I am not exactly sure of the length ------------- "I'm planning to bring my girl that rides on a trailer with me and leave my girl that complains about camping at home" |
Posted By: emccallum
Date Posted: August-15-2010 at 10:57pm
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Well, I ran the 750 lb fatsac this weekend. i tried it in both the 95 and the 82SN . The wake seemed better in the 82. Even with three or four people in the boat the boat was very controllable. The platform was under water about an inch or so. The Tsunami pump got backordered. I just went to Walmart and got a Tsunami 500 gph pump and some clear hose from Lowes. It had a threadable thru hull fitting that screwed right into the fatsac. All for about $35. So, I will cancel the pump order. I wired a plug with some extra wire. Works fine. Only issue, is it is a bit of a pain getting in and out of the back of the boat. Not sure if two 350Lbs on both sides of the motor might be better for folks that cant take the back seat out easily.
pic in 95 snob 18.5mph 
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Posted By: akabulla
Date Posted: August-16-2010 at 12:52am
I will let you know tomorrow how it works out. I got the two 400lbs in on Friday with the pump. I also made this puppy this weekend so I will test this out as well. I saw a picture of something similar someone made and decided to try to make one. It will follow the wakeboarder as the rope moves side to side. Should be pretty cool if I set it up right.
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Posted By: akabulla
Date Posted: August-17-2010 at 2:08am
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Hey guys just wanted to let you know the two 400lbs rocked! Wake was very nice at 22 mph. Not to steep but large and very solid. I could hit it pretty hard and it just launched.
The boat drove very different. We had the two fat sacs and 4 people and you could really feel the weight in the handling of the boat but overall the wake was a LOT better. My little camera mount worked really good as well. It tracked the person dead on. All I have to do is pipe one bag to the other to speed up the filling and draining process. Thanks again! |
Posted By: andeman
Date Posted: August-17-2010 at 10:58am
wakeboardin2k4 Do you place your sac's right up behind the drivers seat or do you have them back some what like these guys? I really like the look of your wake
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Posted By: wakeboardin2k4
Date Posted: August-17-2010 at 11:49am
That's with them in the same place as everyone else. I will say I have some wet foam in my boat...probably a lot. If I ever get new sacs I'd get 750s. I don't do any special tricks but having a bug wake and going huge is a lot of fun ------------- "I'm planning to bring my girl that rides on a trailer with me and leave my girl that complains about camping at home" |
Posted By: akabulla
Date Posted: August-17-2010 at 1:50pm
| Does your Tsunami pump connections lock onto the bag? I twisted mine and it locked in but didn't snap in and stay there and we had to hold it on the bag the entire time it was pumping and the same for emptying. Kinda sucks. |
Posted By: emccallum
Date Posted: August-17-2010 at 2:23pm
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aka, if you are referring to my setup. You remove the filler plug completely from the fatsac, not just the cap. The pump came with a threaded end to go thru a hull. I cut half of the threads off. The cutoff piece is attached to a piece of tubing. To pump water out, I screw the pump into the fatsac and put a piece of tubing running out of the boat. To fill the sac, I screw the tubing with the threaded end into the sac and put the pump into the water. Not perfect, but works. You can by some quick couples from Fatsac with various ends (barbed, threaded,etc) for around $7 each. I almost ordered some, but decided I really didnt want to spend any more money on wakeboarding!
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Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: August-17-2010 at 2:41pm
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My Tsunami quick connect does not lock in. The quick connect is convenient, but it would nice if it locked in. I think they probably do that on purpose so that people don't pop bags while trying to unlock the pump. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: akabulla
Date Posted: August-17-2010 at 4:28pm
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ok cool! Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything.
When you guys tie two bags together do you do it using the bottom valve connections? |
Posted By: wakeboardin2k4
Date Posted: August-17-2010 at 10:52pm
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Here is how my wake looked with 1600 lbs....Best the wake has been.
We had 500s with 300s on top of them.  ------------- "I'm planning to bring my girl that rides on a trailer with me and leave my girl that complains about camping at home" |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: August-18-2010 at 12:45am
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nice wall ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: andeman
Date Posted: August-18-2010 at 1:45am
| Wow, how many people in the boat? |
Posted By: akabulla
Date Posted: August-18-2010 at 2:41am
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Brian,
I am looking at a 2000 SAN. The guy has replaced all factory ballast in it with fat sacs and has upgraded a lot of stuff. I think it is a good deal. Do you have any idea what the length of your boat is without the platform to the tounge of the trailer? Thanks! |
Posted By: wakeboardin2k4
Date Posted: August-18-2010 at 9:36am
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That's with 2 skinny chicks and me. It was a lot of fun. Come in really easy and just get popped super high ------------- "I'm planning to bring my girl that rides on a trailer with me and leave my girl that complains about camping at home" |
Posted By: emccallum
Date Posted: August-18-2010 at 11:14am
| That is a big wake! |
Posted By: andeman
Date Posted: August-19-2010 at 11:35am
| wakeboardin2k4 any chance you would consider posting a pic of where your bags are positioned? I only ask as I'm a newbie when it comes to ballast. |
Posted By: wakeboardin2k4
Date Posted: August-19-2010 at 12:09pm
This is my ballast job that I did. A lot has changed. Instead of reversable pump set up I now have aerator pumps that work a thousand times better. There is a picture of my bag set up that is how it was set in these pictures. http://www.the2001.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=661&highlight=ballast - My ballast project ------------- "I'm planning to bring my girl that rides on a trailer with me and leave my girl that complains about camping at home" |
Posted By: andeman
Date Posted: August-19-2010 at 9:28pm
| Brilliant, Thanks very much! |
Posted By: akabulla
Date Posted: August-19-2010 at 11:02pm
| So if you don't have reversable pumps anymore that means you have one per back to fill and one to empty? |