Ramlin Trailer modification Bow stop
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Topic: Ramlin Trailer modification Bow stop
Posted By: dcoll
Subject: Ramlin Trailer modification Bow stop
Date Posted: August-27-2010 at 7:21pm
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I have a 2001 Ramlin Tandem axle trailer. I am tire of the bow stop ripping my boat cover and deforming my rub rail. Has anyone removed the bow stop to add a under rub rail stop? Thanks ------------- 1997 Super Sport Nautique |
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Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: August-27-2010 at 8:17pm
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Post a pic. But, if it is whast I'm thinking of, why are running the boat all the way up to it? ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: August-27-2010 at 8:30pm
You kinda have to. For starters, it structurally stabilizes the trailer with the boat on it. Without, you get a lot of bounce since the trailer is a 2-bunk "wishbone" trailer. 2ndly, even if you do not initially get it up to the bow stop, just the action of driving the trailer around will cause the boat to settle into the bow stops. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
SN206 wrote:Posted By: Air206
Date Posted: August-27-2010 at 8:40pm
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Do you have enough space on tongue for a Bow-eye stop to be added? Is yours like my Ram-lin and has a winch strap through the bow stop pillar?
Perhaps a bow-eye stop originating from the area of the turnbuckle attachment may be the ticket. ------------- https://tinyurl.com/y6t5e3bu" rel="nofollow - 04 Air206 http://tinyurl.com/9urzgls" rel="nofollow - 91 Barefoot 78 SkiTiq |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: August-27-2010 at 8:51pm
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Your putting the trailer too far into the water when loading it.
Tim ------------- |
Posted By: dcoll
Date Posted: August-27-2010 at 9:07pm
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behindpropeller- i have to bring close enough to bow stop to be able to attach turnbuckle. I does not matter how far back i load it. I drive thru the mountains for 3 hours. I need something to stop it from moving forward. I do not have a winch. Just bow stop and turnbuckle. A v type stop at the hull would be nice. I was just wondering if anyone else has done this mod. How do i post a pic? ------------- 1997 Super Sport Nautique |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: August-27-2010 at 9:11pm
If the boat is still floating level in the water when you hit the bow stop then you have the trailer too deep in the water. Trailer fenders should be 1-2" above the waterline when loading. Tim ------------- |
Posted By: Air206
Date Posted: August-27-2010 at 9:21pm
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Tim:
This isn't a loading issue. If I load with the rail 4" from the stop and the turnbuckle is connected and tightened, the boat will walk forward. This stinks because the turnbuckle begins to push into the gel and the bow gets up/down travel. I think this is more of an issue with trailers that have the turnbuckle attached at the base of the bow stop pillar than ones which have a separate (and farther aft) attachment point. Our hilly terrain makes the same thing happen.... and Dan's Boat is heavier than mine......... ------------- https://tinyurl.com/y6t5e3bu" rel="nofollow - 04 Air206 http://tinyurl.com/9urzgls" rel="nofollow - 91 Barefoot 78 SkiTiq |
Posted By: dcoll
Date Posted: August-27-2010 at 9:30pm
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Thank you Air 206. You are exactly right about the turnbuckle. It is mounted at the bas of the bow stop. I just want to be able to see pics of a hull stop installed on a trailer like mine. I have a pic but i do not know how to post. It seems that no matter where the turnbuckle is mounted the boat will still slide without a stop or jam the turnbuckle.
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Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: August-27-2010 at 10:34pm
I didn't say to load the boat 4" from the bow stop. Drive it to the bow stop. If the trailer is too far in the water and you drive it to the bow stop it will rotate and pull the rub rail. Tim ------------- |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: August-27-2010 at 10:46pm
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Still leave it 4" from the bow stop then weld in a "V" on the frame of the trailer. That way the boat will ride / load better, the bow stop will be used for it's purpose, and you won't tear up your cover. Do a search for "posting pics" and several will come up. ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: dcoll
Date Posted: August-27-2010 at 11:22pm
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Maybe i did not explain this correctly. I load my boat and not touching the bow stop. I attach the turnbuckle and do not over tighten. I put cover on and drive home. By the time i get home the boat has slid forward hitting the bow stop. The rub rail gets deformed after the boat slides and the rub rail rubs a hole in my $760 custom cover from bouncing down the highway. The turnbuckle's position will on keep it from sliding off and NOT from sliding forward to the bow stop. I need to have a "V" stop welded to my trailer. I was hoping that someone had this problem and corrected it. Maybe I am the only guy with this issue. Still cannot figure out how to insert pics. ------------- 1997 Super Sport Nautique |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: August-27-2010 at 11:55pm
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1. Look at the bottom left of the "last" post.
2. You will see a blueish gray box that says "Post Reply", click on it. 3. A new post box will appear, on the top you will see a box with a tree and blue arrow. 4. Click on said box and find location of photo to upload. 5. Note: you may ahve to resize photo to be less thamn 500 meg. I believe I understand your situation and think welding in a "V" is the right thing to do. We'll have a better idea when pic is posted ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: dcoll
Date Posted: August-28-2010 at 12:21am
Here is a pic of my trailer ------------- 1997 Super Sport Nautique |
Posted By: dcoll
Date Posted: August-28-2010 at 12:28am
My boat on the trailer ------------- 1997 Super Sport Nautique |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: August-28-2010 at 12:39am
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Looks like a poly roller to "V" would work perfect. ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: dcoll
Date Posted: August-28-2010 at 12:44am
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Thank you. Now you say mount it so the bow rub rail is 4" from bow stop? Will the boat bow even hit the bow stop? ------------- 1997 Super Sport Nautique |
Posted By: dcoll
Date Posted: August-28-2010 at 12:45am
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Mount above or below bow eye? i would assume below so turnbuckle can attach. ------------- 1997 Super Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Fibersport
Date Posted: August-28-2010 at 12:45am
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This might be a dumb question but is your trailer level when you tow it? I realize that things will always walk forward when towed but if you're lower in front it would probably make things worse.
And mount any rollers above the bow eye, otherwise the boat will hang up on it. |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: August-28-2010 at 12:47am
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Yes, when it needs to. Like when some a-hole pulls out in front of you and you don't want to become intimate with your boat. ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: August-28-2010 at 12:53am
Below and further back, somewhat below the boat in the v-part of your hull. ------------- ...those who have fallen and those who will. |
Posted By: NAUTIQUEjunky
Date Posted: August-28-2010 at 1:04am
I always floated my boats on the trailer by hand. I would just barely let the rubrail touch the bowstop. It would still slide forward on the way home, so i would loosen the pinch bolt to move the Bowstop forward so it would not compress the rubrail and deform it.. ------------- 1977 MasterCraft Stars&Stripes 1994 Ski Nautique 2000 Super Air Nautique 1986 Ski Nautique 2001 1999 Sport Nautique gt40 current |
Posted By: dcoll
Date Posted: August-28-2010 at 1:16am
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I tighten the pinch bolt to push the bow stop aft so that when I get to boat ramp, I can loosen so that I can get my boat cover off. I have forgotten to tighten and my boat slides forward and I cannot remove cover.
To respond to other about my boat trailering low in the front. You need a little more weight in the front to keep from swaying. No one else must have them same trailer. The only solution that I see is a hull stop. I have tried everything. ------------- 1997 Super Sport Nautique |
Posted By: SN206
Date Posted: August-28-2010 at 1:20am
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Posted By: MartyMabe
Date Posted: August-28-2010 at 2:10am
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Gonna use this for the 66 Skylark trailer.
Do something like, cutting your bow stop down, put an angle to the tubing and move your stop back to those holes behind where it's attached now. Follow? 
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Posted By: Air206
Date Posted: August-29-2010 at 1:28am
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You have a flip up trailer tongue, right? .. Similar to Marty Mabe's 1993 SN Trailer...
I would be mindful of the "up" position of the tongue so that the welded-on V doesn't interfere............ keep that flip action useful.... ------------- https://tinyurl.com/y6t5e3bu" rel="nofollow - 04 Air206 http://tinyurl.com/9urzgls" rel="nofollow - 91 Barefoot 78 SkiTiq |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: August-29-2010 at 1:56am
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You need a more downward pull on the bow eye. Put an eye bolt in one of the holes on the flipping tongue piece and move the turnbuckle there. Holding the nose down will keep the bow from bouncing. Trailering with the cover on will damage it and the boat. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: August-29-2010 at 10:05am
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I have had the same problem and usually I0 notice it most when towing long distances where you might have had to brake hard at some point.
I run a short ratchet strap from the boweye back through two factory welded rings about 18" aft of bowstop (yes, mine is a Ramlin) and snug it up. This seems to help so far. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: dcoll
Date Posted: August-29-2010 at 11:20am
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Martymabe, your boat and trailer are awesome. Sooo cool. I want to thank all of you for giving your time and expertise. Out of all the suggestions, I will first try harddock's for now. This is a great idea without doing any modification to the trailer. I like to keep the trailer original. I feel like a cheesedoodle that I did not think of this. Once again thank you guy's for everything. I am going to the lake this weekend and hope to get those straps. I will let you know how it turns out. ------------- 1997 Super Sport Nautique |
Posted By: jhiestand
Date Posted: August-29-2010 at 11:56am
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dcoll -- is your cover a snap on and if so, have you considered having your cover altered so it doesn't contact the crash pads when it's on? I have a custom cover on mine and it has notches that allow me to put the cover on w/out contact of the crash pads. I know this doesn't address the rub-rail deforming issue, but it's probably a lot less effort to have done. |
Posted By: dcoll
Date Posted: August-29-2010 at 12:17pm
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It is not a snap type. I have considered altering the cover so that it will not contact bow stop. Does anyone have a pic of a cover that has been altered? Mine needs repaired now anyway. ------------- 1997 Super Sport Nautique |
Posted By: jhiestand
Date Posted: August-29-2010 at 1:06pm
Yeah, may not be as simple a modification for a non-snap cover. This isn't the best pic, but you should be able to see the cut-outs on the nose of mine. I've seen others that have larger cutouts.
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Posted By: MartyMabe
Date Posted: August-29-2010 at 1:44pm
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Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: August-29-2010 at 3:09pm
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We have a roller on our 96 trailer (not a ramlin) and hate it. I feel it makes loading and unloading much more difficult. You have to have the trailer way back in the water otherwise it catches the rub rail when you back the boat off or the nose hits underneath when your loading. I'll be doing some modifications this winter... I'd rather have crash pads ------------- |
Posted By: dmiracle
Date Posted: August-30-2010 at 12:20am
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Don't tow with the cover on. ------------- Doug |
Posted By: dcoll
Date Posted: September-07-2010 at 11:28am
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Than you all for your photos and input. I just got back from the lake and I used the ratchet strap from bow eye to trailer concept. It work perfect. Thans again ------------- 1997 Super Sport Nautique |
Posted By: akabulla
Date Posted: September-07-2010 at 2:46pm
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dcoll, Sorry I just saw this post. I did this at the beginning of the summer and I LOVE IT! It works so much better and the way the strap is routed under the roller I get 0 (ZERO) bounce when trailering and have full access to the nose. No more powering the boat on. I can dunk the heck out of the trailer and winch it on! Much easier. I use to have to pull the boat out and then power check it to move the boat forward. I hated that.
I made it myself using my little tig welder to tack it in place and then brought it to a shop to have them finish the welding. I got the metal at a recylcing place and cost me about $15 bucks in materials. Of course the winch and roller were extra but worth it. 
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Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: September-07-2010 at 5:11pm
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Does your rub rail hit the roller when you back the boat off the trailer? We've got one ramp that is extremely steep and another than is way shallow. I find myself lifting the nose over the roller on both otherwise I'm scared it will screw up the rub rail.
I'll be adding a keel roller to the trailer this fall in hopes that it will help with a few issues. ------------- |
Posted By: dcoll
Date Posted: September-07-2010 at 5:14pm
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I have a bunk trailer and not a roller type. My rub rail is a mess from previous owner. I need to replace. Not sure of cost. Good luck with keel roller ------------- 1997 Super Sport Nautique |
Posted By: akabulla
Date Posted: September-07-2010 at 6:09pm
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No! It doesn't even come close and our ramps are very steep at our lake. By the time the boat is moving back it is plenty high above the roller.
Unloading is very easy. Back the truck down and when the transom starts to float hit the breaks and the boat rolls off the roller and slides perfectly off the trailer. I did this really bad drawing when I was designing the new bow stop just to see how high the transom would need to come up to see if it would hit the winch. It is pretty high - LOL! 
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Posted By: reallyoldwakeguy
Date Posted: December-11-2011 at 7:21pm
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I feel your pain.
I just bought a 2002 SAN,and the bow was bashed in the fashion originally stated. I have loaded boats for years and never seen this, but the SAN slides forward under heavy braking or in mountains, so it appears that caused the problem rather than bad loading (as some suggested). This boat came from the mountains of NC. So, I agree that the answer is to put straps running from the bow eye back to the rings on each side of the trailer. The folks without this problem probably cannot relate to the rings there because they don't have them. On another note, this trailer also allows the boat to slide side to side against the wheel well, and the boat tends to push the well onto the tire. This can be solved by using transom straps, but they must be crossed in the back and attached to the prop protector bracing. Again, this type of trailer has really beefy braking and eye bolts for this purpose. ------------- Never too old to enjoy a happy childhood. |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: December-11-2011 at 9:28pm
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Pete - Do you still wakeboard? I though Lewy & I were the oldest boarders on the site. Not saying I can do any tricks. . . ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: lewy2001
Date Posted: December-11-2011 at 10:16pm
Thanks Chris 
Had my first and probably last board for the season yesterday. The knees are feeling it today I knew I should have stayed on the ski. This thread caught my interest as I changed the bow stop on the Sport to a bow roller setup. The loading boards just don't suit us as we launch and load from the river bank. By the time we trailer home the boat is always hard up against the loading boards.  ------------- If you're going through hell, keep going http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2999" rel="nofollow - 89 Ski <a href="http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5685" ta |
Posted By: reallyoldwakeguy
Date Posted: December-12-2011 at 10:21am
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Still is probably a misleading word - I just started this past summer. I used to ski with Adam's (iaughtnaut)dad when we were young, so that's my skiing background.
Understanding how important it is to have a teacher, I found a 28 year-old coach with a boat, whom I pay for lessons (but not much). I also got a gymnastics coach to teach me rolls and flips on the tramp so I didn't have to kill myself learning those. Throwing my ass over my head did not seem like a good idea to learn alone. That said, my objective is to at least be able to do a back roll next summer. I am solid normal and switch on the surface, and can get good pop and clear the wake normal heel and toe side. My coach says he knows I will be able to back roll this coming summer. I also think 180's and 360's off my strong side will not be that hard. The back roll will likely be my only aerial. So, at 65, I am a newbie wake guy. I like it so much I bought the 2002 SAN. My son is 18, so he and I will get after it next summer. Will hopefully spend some time with Adam and his dad Jackie too. ------------- Never too old to enjoy a happy childhood. |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: December-12-2011 at 10:58am
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Pete - Kudos to you for going all out! My best trick is a wake-to-faceplan, so I limit myself to 3 inches of air. Merry Christmas to your crew. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |