Help Buying Boat....
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Topic: Help Buying Boat....
Posted By: Nelson
Subject: Help Buying Boat....
Date Posted: September-02-2010 at 9:15pm
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Hello everyone, I am really glad to have stumbled upon this forum, tons of information here.
The reason for the post is I was hoping to get a couple of opinions. I am considering buying a 1986 Ski Nautique however it has no reverse, the owner says forward works fine. It also needs a starter, which I think is not that big a deal. As far as the transmission goes anyone have a best and worse case here? Thanks for the help Nelson |
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Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: September-02-2010 at 11:38pm
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Tranny rebuild will cost you about $800, not including shipping. We have a tranny guy on this site that is the best in the business. Starter probably can be rebuilt, but if not they are expensive (over $400). You cannot use a car starter.
More important is for you to evaluate the stringers. If they are rotted (& probably are) you are looking at $1500+ in materials alone (doing it yourself). Post your location, chances are someone from the site will volunteer to look at it with you. Good luck ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: Nelson
Date Posted: September-03-2010 at 12:04am
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Well thank you for the information. I am in Maine but the boat is in Concord NH. The owner just sent me an email that someone has told him they want the boat but hasn't come up with any money yet. He was only asking $2500 for it and is going to let me know on Monday. Mabye I should have jumped a little sooner???? lol....
Again thank you for the information, this forum is fantastic.... Nelson |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: September-03-2010 at 2:34am
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Hi Nelson, I live in Concord, let me know if you want me to take a quick look at the boat and report back to you.
I promise I won't offer him $2501 and buy it out from under you! ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Nelson
Date Posted: September-03-2010 at 7:45am
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Thank you very very much for the offer. I will certainly let you know if that other person doesnt show with the money, but I have a feeling that he will.
I also just noticed that the boat is a 25th aniv silver edition. Does that really make any difference? I noticed one on the for sale list that says they rare and collectable and the price us up in the 7-8K rangle. Thanks again for the offer Nelson |
Posted By: ryanowen
Date Posted: September-03-2010 at 12:15pm
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I don't think the silver edition makes that big of a deal on the value at this point. I wouldn't pay much if any more for that over another 2001 model. For 2500 it's likely a big project boat, but that price seems good if it's all there. Can he get the boat to run or is the starter totally shot? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3284 - 1988 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: September-03-2010 at 1:35pm
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Nelson-
You should consider that boat a $4500 boat from the start. You will spend 1K on the driveline. $500+ on the motor. Throw in another $500 for other stuff you find broken that needs fixed. And what about the stringers...etc? Unless you really want a project boat don't buy this boat. For $5-7K you can find some great deals in november....possibly even a '93 without wood. I know nothing about your mechanical ability or finances.... so you might consider sharing those. Tim ------------- |
Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: September-03-2010 at 3:10pm
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Nelson,
The Silver Nautiques or only worth more when in mint condition. Otherwise, it's a project boat just like any other 2001. 63 Skier offered to look at it for you. There are others in the area as well including MacCallum's Boathouse (Nautique dealer in nearby Epsom - where we just had the Northeast Reunion). Peter MacCallum is a great guy. If you went to look at the boat yourself, you could probably bring it to MacCallum's for the test drive (Northwood Lake - 15 mins. from Concord), and maybe get their opinion on it as well. -Keith Edit: That's if it will start and actually power forward. ------------- Former: /diaries/details.asp?ID=6170" rel="nofollow - 97 Sport Nautique 1994 Ski Nautique 86 Silver Nautique 79 Mustang |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: September-03-2010 at 8:26pm
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Any news?
You don't know until you look. Does it start? If not, you have to wonder why someone wouldn't put a $400 starter in, a running boat ought to be worth a few grand more than a non-runner. But, the tranny doesn't work either - so maybe the owner says "what the hell, just get rid of it". Again, no way to know until you look. For me, if the boat wasn't abused looking, and stringers not gone, I'd turn the engine over with a breaker bar and at that price maybe take my chances. But, that's just me! ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Nelson
Date Posted: September-03-2010 at 10:08pm
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63 Skier,
I havnt heard from him yet, but he did tell me that he was going to give this other person until Monday to come up with the money. So at this point I am hoping that falls through. He did post that the boat does run and can be used just not in reverse. He said he used it last weekend. He sent me a bunch of pictures and the boat looks pretty good, the hull has a few scuffs and scratchs but its hard to tell how bad they are. The interior looks very good only one rip in the bench seat in that back. I will see if I can post some of them. Nelson |
Posted By: Nelson
Date Posted: September-03-2010 at 10:23pm
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Ok, I think I got the pictures uploaded, let me know if this doesnt work.
http://picasaweb.google.com/110203339389895709900/1986SkiNautiqueSilver# - 1986 Ski Nautique Pictures |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: September-03-2010 at 10:52pm
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Interesting! I'd be curious to hear from someone who knows more about these, I know very little, is that original upholstery or a re-do, the motor box looks a bit strange to me. The engine almost looks like it's been out in the elements, more like a car engine than an enclosed boat engine, not sure why.
Lots of scuffs and scratches, maybe left un-covered a lot? ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: September-04-2010 at 1:33am
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Well if the engine really does run I would give $2500 for it since it is a bit rare. Some wetsanding and cleanup on the gel would do it some good. Lots of cosmetic work that could be done to get it looking OK....but not new. ------------- |
Posted By: Nelson
Date Posted: September-06-2010 at 11:42pm
| Ok so now the guy who was going to buy the boat is suppose to show up Tuesday at 6pm and if he doesnt the owner will show the boat to me. Kinda of frustration, I think my offer just went down 100 bucks...lol.. |
Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: September-07-2010 at 1:44pm
I've owned a Silver. For the Silver Nautiques, the interior is the same as other '86 Ski Nautiques but just in black and grey. Besides the obvious black and metal flake gel and graphic differences, the dash plate is the only other unique item to the Silver. I can tell you from experience, keeping the gel looking showroom is difficult but really only elbow grease. The decals would be impossible to come by so you'd need to get those redone - which should be easy at any good sign shop. The dash in another story. The dash was screened and when it starts to fade, it's gone. I had looked into getting some decals for the dash (wouldn't look the same but would be better than nothing) and may even have some files laying around for that. I agree, the photos show that it will need a lot of sanding and buffing of the gel, but as long as those scratches aren't too deep, that should come back. The interior looks like it was redone. The black stripes look too thin and it's missing the dark grey stripe in between. If you do a http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/?yrstart=&yrend=&model=silver&state=&Forsale=&sortBy=Date+Added&Submit=Search - search in the Diaries for 'silver' you'll find 12 different boats listed. All of them have the interior shown here: 
My guess is the engine looks like that because it had water in the bilge for long periods of time (multiple seasons at the dock with no cover?). However, if the engine runs, I'd say easily worth the $2,500. Nelson, good luck! I hope it works out for you. I would love to see another Silver Nautique in the neighborhood, on the site and at the Northeast Reunion. -Keith ------------- Former: /diaries/details.asp?ID=6170" rel="nofollow - 97 Sport Nautique 1994 Ski Nautique 86 Silver Nautique 79 Mustang |
63 Skier wrote:Posted By: Nelson
Date Posted: September-07-2010 at 10:04pm
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Well good news for me the guy who was going to buy it never showed up, so the owner is willing to show it.
63 skier, I was just wondering if I might take you up on your offer of taking a look at it for me. I am in the process of finding out exactly where it is. I have his phone number email me if your able, Nelsonpeters@roadrunner.com And agian thank you very much. Nelson |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: September-08-2010 at 1:07am
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Will do, just saw your email. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Nelson
Date Posted: September-08-2010 at 9:49pm
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Ok, so I need to get a couple more sets of eyeballs on this. Take a look at the underside of this boat. Wow what is up with that and how much would it cost to fix, or can it??
http://picasaweb.google.com/DaveNH01/86SkiNautique2001?authkey=Gv1sRgCJjLxraPm72xdA&feat=directlink# - More Pictures of the 1986 Silver...Thanks to 63 Skier |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: September-09-2010 at 12:38am
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That needs a full re-gel. Big time $ & time commitment. I'd keep looking. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: September-09-2010 at 2:11am
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Wow....
Makes you wonder what you have to do to one to get it to look that bad? Major project!! My '86 had 1600 hours on it and it was still in great shape. Might be worth $2500 in parts. ------------- |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: September-09-2010 at 2:45am
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This is a good example for the saltwater thread. It does not matter where it's used,if you don't take care of or have pride in what you own, this is how it turns out. Offer him 1000,run it until dies and part it out.
Mine was 4 years newer when I got it and I paid 150.00  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: Nelson
Date Posted: September-09-2010 at 12:02pm
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I had a feeling that this was caused by sitting in water most of its life, but had never even given any thought to salt water. That makes alot of sense. What really scares me is this is most likly only a picture of how the boat was taken care of. I think I am going to pass on this one, so if someone out there is interested let me know I will gladly pass on the owners information, but just know you would be in for an expensive ride.
Thanks everyone Nelson |
Posted By: NAUTI84
Date Posted: September-09-2010 at 12:27pm
WOW - Now that's one abused boat!  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=421&yrstart=1981&yrend=1985 - EX-NAUTI84 |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: September-09-2010 at 12:40pm
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Yep, that boat is ugly. At 1500 I might have been interested, but not at 2500.
I had emailed the seller before you posted last week and he finally just got back to me yesterday... apparently the boat is sold. Strange. ------------- |
Posted By: Keith
Date Posted: September-09-2010 at 12:57pm
Good call Nelson. Boy, it is so painful to see a Nautique, never mind a Silver Nautique, looking like that. Very sad. Best to move on. -Keith ------------- Former: /diaries/details.asp?ID=6170" rel="nofollow - 97 Sport Nautique 1994 Ski Nautique 86 Silver Nautique 79 Mustang |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: September-09-2010 at 7:22pm
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I spoke to the seller on the phone before I went to look, we had a nice conversation, very pleasant guy. I'll try to get together with him to ski at some point. He and his brothers bought a Super Air so that's why he's selling this. He bought it new, has loved the boat, hates to see it go. Why it ended up in this condition - not sure. Good call by Nelson to pass, it will take someone that wants a serious winter project to put this back in decent shape.
So now the task is to find Nelson a decent, turn-key (or almost) boat for reasonable money. Anyone have any leads, preferably Maine or NH where he could take a look without too long a drive? ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: September-09-2010 at 9:04pm
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Man the outside of that silver has been beat all to hell, but interior looks good. She could be a buy, but would need some garage winter TLC to get her back sharp again. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: September-10-2010 at 12:08am
What ball park is reasonable money in???? |
Posted By: Nelson
Date Posted: September-13-2010 at 11:48pm
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So what do you guys think of boats with alot of hours and when I say alot I mean 2460 hours on a 1981 ski nautique. I have come across another boat however it has alot of hours. I owner says it's 100% but with that many hours I'm thinking not for long.....The interior has been redone but thats it. Engine and trans are all original. I will see if I cant get some photos up.
Nelson |
Posted By: Nelson
Date Posted: September-13-2010 at 11:55pm
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Ok that was much faster then last time. Here are some pictures.
The swim platform is new also. I am wondering if that water line stain should be alarming. Or am I spooked from the other boat with the messed up hull. http://picasaweb.google.com/110203339389895709900/1981SkiNautWithAlotOfHours# - 1981 Ski Naut with alot of hours |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: September-14-2010 at 12:08am
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Me personally if I look at a boat that is that dirty inside it gives me an idea of how well the owner took care of it. They didn't!!
IMHO I would offer the price of the platform that's all it's worth. |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: September-14-2010 at 12:12am
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Water stain is no big deal - will come off easy with an acid wash.
What is a big deal is 2400 hours - can't be much engine life left. Stringers have got to be over ripe too. If you get it for the right price, it woulod be a good project boat. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: September-14-2010 at 1:21am
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I'd pass on that one. Looks like it has been run pretty hard. ------------- |
Posted By: behindpropeller
Date Posted: September-14-2010 at 1:30am
What is your budget? That 2500 hour boat is probably going to be a money pit. Tim ------------- |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: September-14-2010 at 1:49am
yes but after removing that sealer varnish finish it has now.... 
dash looks horrible ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: September-14-2010 at 12:53pm
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It's been ridden hard and put away wet that's for sho! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: September-14-2010 at 12:58pm
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It's been ridden hard and put away wet that's for sho! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: September-14-2010 at 8:08pm
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1+ pass on 81...
That boat is tore up and not very well cared for... ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: September-14-2010 at 8:14pm
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4,100 dollars
2001, looks to be in decent shape. Clean up needed but a great year 85... 
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1985-CORRECT-CRAFT--NAUTIQUE--SKI-NAUTIQUE-2001-Ski-Nautique-96673244 ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: September-14-2010 at 9:41pm
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That 85 looks like it'll need some work as well! Front lift ring is spun, interior needs attention and I'd guess floor/stringers are close to gone ------------- |
Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: September-14-2010 at 9:44pm
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I'd look for something like http://norfolk.craigslist.org/boa/1944744872.html - this
Composite and going to be much less of a project ------------- |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: September-15-2010 at 3:05am
Looks like that SN could be a decent deal. Not sure of hours, would have to inquire. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Nelson
Date Posted: September-18-2010 at 12:02am
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Any body have any opinions of a 1986 correct craft martinique. I am not really sure what the difference is between the skiers and the martinique's. Just kinda looks like its deeper and there for heavier. Anyone ever own one???
Thanks Nelson |
Posted By: daddyo
Date Posted: September-18-2010 at 3:31am
| There are a few of us here that have them. I like mine, but i've got 5 kids and need the space. Great big water boat. Throws a huge but not necessarily good wake for boarding. Not fair to compare it to a 2001, as there's a reason that boat has such a following for wakeboarding. I would suspect they have all the issues as a 2001 of similar vintage would have as far as wood stringers, etc. They haven't held their value like 2001's so you can pick them up pretty cheap. Replacing an interior on one would be $$$$. Bottom line, if you're looking for a value wakeboard boat and don't need the extra space, i'd stick with the 2001. |
Posted By: NAUTI84
Date Posted: September-18-2010 at 11:58am
Nelson, Depends how and where you'll be using your boat. If it's just a family cruise-around then the Marty would be a nice boat, great cruise boat for Sebago or Winnipesaukee. In my opinion, a Nautique would be a better choice for use on mostly smaller lakes. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=421&yrstart=1981&yrend=1985 - EX-NAUTI84 |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: September-18-2010 at 5:30pm
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Nelson, have you looked at NAUTI84's boat in the For Sale section?
http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forsale/details.asp?ID=421 - NAUTI84's Boat You can read the "Woke up 84" thread in this section to get some info on how he got it going again. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: NAUTI84
Date Posted: September-19-2010 at 11:45am
 Thanks David.
See ya from Concord, where do you use your boat? I grew up going to Newfound & Winni. Now spend a lot of time at a little pond in Weir. Nelson - I went back thru the thread to see what type of boat your looking for, but could'nt really tell. If an 84 is on your list feel free to contact me. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=421&yrstart=1981&yrend=1985 - EX-NAUTI84 |
Posted By: Nelson
Date Posted: September-19-2010 at 1:29pm
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I dont really have my heart set on any one boat. Just looking for a soild ski boat for me and the boys. I just came across a 1986 Martinique that the owner claims only has 300 hours of which he put 80 on this last winter....(not sure if thats possible) He only wants $2500 but has a list of 6 people looking at it ahead of me. He's also a bit short and not very friendly, I asked him for a few more pictures but "he doesnt have any more pictures" Anyway back to the point. I am pretty good with a set of wrenchs and would actually enjoy spending some time working on a boat. What I dont have alot of is time. I am a manager with Lowes and work a wierd sched. I would also like something affordably becasue I would really like to stay loan free on this toy. Anyway thanks for asking..
Nelson |
Posted By: daddyo
Date Posted: September-19-2010 at 1:51pm
| When you say you're looking for a "ski" boat, I'd say that the martinique is not what you're after. The wake's pretty big. You can make it work for boarding sports, but if you want to ski, there are better options. Only way to know if it fits your needs is to drive it. Only my opinion, but if the guy's a flake I wouldn't waste any time with it. |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: September-19-2010 at 5:55pm
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I'm on Bow Lake in Strafford and have skied with friends on Northwood Lake this summer. I'm not aware of a pond in Weare that is big enough to boat on, can you ski on it? ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: NAUTI84
Date Posted: September-19-2010 at 6:09pm
David, Small private pond that my cousin lives on - Daniels lake. Just big enough to ski & nice barefoot runs. Usually have it all to ourselves! Big reason that mine has sat on trailer for so long though - He has his Malibu at his dock. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=421&yrstart=1981&yrend=1985 - EX-NAUTI84 |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: September-19-2010 at 6:13pm
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Sounds great! Drop me a note if you ever need a 3rd, it's probably only 25 minutes from my house. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Nelson
Date Posted: September-22-2010 at 3:25pm
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Is anyone close to
Jay's Marina 928 Laconia Road Winnisquam, NH 03289 The Martinique that I am looking onto is there but the owner is going to pull it out of the water on Friday, he and I cant get together prior so I may have to look at it out of the water in Manchester. Just thinking mabye someone was close and could sneak a peak for me. Thanks Nelson |
Posted By: Nelson
Date Posted: September-27-2010 at 8:41pm
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Take a look at these photos and let me know what you all think...
http://picasaweb.google.com/110203339389895709900/1986SkiMart# - 1986 Martinique Photos Looks pretty rough to me. The hull below that line is like rubbing your hand on sandpaper. This needs a complete sand and re-gel?? Am I correct??? Nelso |
Posted By: daddyo
Date Posted: September-27-2010 at 11:07pm
| Keep looking, as that's not the boat you're looking for, unless you've got crazy gelkote and woodworking skills and are ready for a huge project this winter. It didn't crack 80 in austin today, so I can imagine it's a little cooler in Maine. You've got time. |
Posted By: Nelson
Date Posted: September-27-2010 at 11:41pm
| Thats what I thought. It kills me to see a boat like this, the meter reads under 300 hours (ofcourse my not be correct) but if it is I would guess the boat sat at a dock for about 20 years.......just freakin stupid....mostly likly owned by some jackwagon that has more money then he (or she) knows what to do with....... |
Posted By: MartyMabe
Date Posted: September-28-2010 at 12:08am
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Put a bid on this boat.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180566479579&viewitem= - 88 SN 2001 http://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/boa/1964264504.html - 92 SN ------------- 66 Skylark http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5041" rel="nofollow - 93 SN If you're not living in NC, you're just camping out! |
Posted By: MartyMabe
Date Posted: September-28-2010 at 1:17am
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http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/boa/1975690191.html - 80 SN
http://austin.craigslist.org/boa/1976185286.html - 87 SN 2001 http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/boa/1975151706.html - 86 Silver Nautique ------------- 66 Skylark http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5041" rel="nofollow - 93 SN If you're not living in NC, you're just camping out! |
Posted By: NAUTI84
Date Posted: September-28-2010 at 10:12am
Nelson, You're probably right on with the - more money than they know what to do with. You see loads of boats on Winni-(squam & peesockee) that sit at the docks from Memorial Day to Labor Day and are barely used. Then they pull em and put in one of the marina racks until next year. Amazing the lack of care so many get! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=421&yrstart=1981&yrend=1985 - EX-NAUTI84 |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: September-30-2010 at 11:59am
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Hi Nelson - not sure if we linked this one for you already or not:
http://nh.craigslist.org/boa/1950355571.html - '81 SN Again, beware of stringers, have to look, but it's a low cost start for you. Just trying to get you into a boat for next year! ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Nelson
Date Posted: September-30-2010 at 8:55pm
Ya I did see that one. Its the one in the link above, they sent me more pictures but everyone here said to beware....because of the hours that are on the boat. |
Posted By: bbishop1974
Date Posted: October-17-2010 at 12:30pm
| hey nelson,i bought the silver nautique in concord lastmonth.definitly not a turn key boat.it runs great,needed pos.battery clamp.trans shot and the pictures actually make the boat look good.it needs long term restoration.iam really good at suckering myself in to these kind of projects |
Posted By: Nelson
Date Posted: October-17-2010 at 12:51pm
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Was that the one with the gel coat issues? If I remember correct the rest of the boat looked pretty good. The whole sanding and re-gelcoating was more than I wanted to take on. This time of year I bet you got a sweet deal. Post some pictures of the work in progress I would really like to learn how to fix this sort of thing.
Good luck |
Posted By: bbishop1974
Date Posted: October-18-2010 at 12:18pm
| hey nelson,yeah that was the one.all the black from the stripe down will hace to be ground out and re shot,but only after the stringers are redone.this boat requires a major re$toration,but they sure are nice when there done.i wet sanded and buffed it just to see what it would like.the deck looks like new,the black is difficult to get a nice shine.the interior could be usable,thick vinyl.wrong thread,all seams coming apart.going to replace whole thing. |