Electrical. We need help. :(
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Topic: Electrical. We need help. :(
Posted By: mdvalant
Subject: Electrical. We need help. :(
Date Posted: October-27-2010 at 12:15pm
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The sport is all cleaned up from the trip to IA.
It went through a ton of rain to get here. That being said...it will not start, can't get the blower to work, the bilge, the damn HORN... It is our first experience with the "smart pod" so we thought we were just not doing something right but we are certain we are doing things correctly. A sure indicator that water got someplace it shouldn't have is the fact that all 3 little LED lights on the start side of the dash light up at the same time after some wire wiggling. When you push any button down they all get brighter. Keep pushing buttons and they all go out. Our first assumption was the horn. Did the horn get really really wet and is shorting stuff out? (the horn always has power, even if the code isn't entered) Did the computer looking motherboard inside the breaker box get fried? It looked nice and dry in there... Any random thoughts may help us. This is very discouraging  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
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Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: October-27-2010 at 1:39pm
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Did you turn on the master power switch in the kick panel?
BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: October-27-2010 at 1:44pm
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Do I have that? I was wondering....
What does it look like?!?!?!?! We couldn't find anything like that. Just a kill cord under the arm rest. you could be saving our lives if this is the problem. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: October-27-2010 at 1:49pm
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Should be a 3 position toggle, ON-Off-Bilge Pump Only.
On the 206 it is under/behind the throttle, probably in a similar place on yours. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: October-27-2010 at 1:51pm
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Nothing by the throttle....
We tore out the kick pannel last night...opened up the breaker box saw the mother board, put a fan on everything thinking water, saw no switches to be switched. Are you guys sure they are on the 2000 boats? I know Max's 07 206 has the little toggle under the throttle like yours Q but we don't have it...unless we really missed it. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: Dreaming
Date Posted: October-27-2010 at 3:25pm
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I Can't help with the specifics, but I would suggest that if you're wiggling wires and causing things to short, (LED's) stop! you may cause more damage than you already have. Start with the basics, and if someone can supply a wiring diagram, follow it. You may just have loose connections or corosion. use your Multimeter to check for voltage to the back of the fuse/breaker panel, and follow each electrical path until something doesn't look right. Check for a bad connection, clean, tighten, and start again. Think of a wire as a hose for electricity, and each breaker/fuse as a nozzle shut off...
Connections are usually the part that breaks, or gets so corroded voltage drop becomes an issue. Most importantly, if you don't know about something, stop and ask, it could save you in the long run. If you take stuff apart, be sure to take LOTS of pictures!!! |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: October-27-2010 at 3:29pm
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This boat started fine before it was delivered. We know the seller and have proof. I don't doubt his truthfulness.
Something happened on the drive, or there is a switch we're not seeing. Water ruined something. grrrr ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: October-27-2010 at 3:41pm
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Can you give the PO a call and see if he know s where the MASTER switch is? I remember seeing this on RJ's Super Air, but I don't remember where. Its a sizable switch more like a knob (like fuel selector in a Cessna...) ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: October-27-2010 at 3:42pm
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Will do. Was planning on giving him a call today! :) ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: scottb
Date Posted: October-27-2010 at 4:13pm
| I believe the 3 position toggle, ON-Off-Bilge Pump Only switch did not come out until 2001. My 2000 Sport has a battery selector switch or Main switch, but it was added after delivery and it is mounted to the front of the kick panel. It was added due to a low current drain somewhere that would completely drain the battery after about a week or so. Unlikely you have it, because you definitely would not miss it. |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: October-27-2010 at 4:23pm
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Thanks Scott. I didn't think there was a main power switch... ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: October-27-2010 at 4:30pm
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is there a ignition switch like older SN has which kills power to everything, or how about the main breaker under the motor box. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: October-27-2010 at 4:34pm
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Don't believe so on the ignition switch. We checked all breakers on the motor. The problem is wiring in/under the dash. It has to be no?
On this page it shows our breaker box. I'm hoping the box didn't get fried somehow (you'd think the breakers would break before-hand) Also on this page is the keypads, wondering if those could have gone bad. http://www.nautiqueparts.com/dash_electrical.aspx - Nautique Parts ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: October-27-2010 at 7:04pm
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As scottb says, the power toggle switch WAS NOT available in 2000. It was retrofitted on a couple boats, including mine, at a nontrivial expense. The smart pod causes a drain that will kill the battery after a week or so as scottb also mentioned.
All I know is that the dash pod does VERY WEIRD THINGS with low voltage and/or bad grounds at the battery. There is an additional black ground wire in addition to the main negative cable on the battery. Make sure that guy is making solid contact or the dash tends to go haywire. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: October-27-2010 at 7:32pm
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Thanks M3. Was praying someone with a 2000 or at least knowledge of it could give us some insight! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: WakeSlayer
Date Posted: October-27-2010 at 8:34pm
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There have been dozens of threads on bad keypads over on PN.
Thank God for keyed ignitions and breakers.... ------------- Mike N 1968 Mustang |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: October-27-2010 at 10:23pm
Dozens? I don't know about that. I recall seeing a couple over the years out of the thousands in service. From my personal experience it's a super-reliable, modular system. It's never cost us a moment of water time and I don't see it doing so in the future. Personally I'd take it over miles of wiring and crimped connectors. The WOW factor is also impressive. At the first touch of the dash, the backlighting kicks in on all the controls- a nice amber. Turning on an accessory causes that key's light to turn green rather than amber. The heater's 3 speed control is handled by hitting that button 3 times- low, medium, high, off. Somebody really put time into the smart pod. Behind the pod the wiring is ultra-simple- a basic connector going to each keypad. This brochure pic doesn't do the backlighting any justice. This dash was so futuristic and so leading edge that the rest of the industry still hasn't caught up. The touch-button interface on our club's Malibu is laughable in comparison.  ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
WakeSlayer wrote:Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: October-28-2010 at 12:19am
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Mikey,
Thank God for key floats.... That is unless the keys weigh more then the floats, LOL!! The biggest problem with the keyless is too many people end up knowing your key... or code that is, LOL. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: pistl
Date Posted: October-28-2010 at 1:45am
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Just finished a 3 hr session working on the 2000 Sport that started this discussion. No luck at all. At times the lights on the touch pad go on dim. When some buttons are pushed they may stay on dim, but if a button outside of the number keypad, the blower button for instance, is pushed we then would lose all lights. We unhooked the blower but that didn't change a thing. NOTHING ever lights anywhere else on the dash. Chased the emergency stop switch, (behind and down from throttle), thought that was flaky but it checked good. VERY weird troubles for sure. We are kinda down to a super bad keypad or problems in the large circuit breaker control box. Any other ideas? Thanks
sinking fast in Iowa |
Posted By: WakeSlayer
Date Posted: October-28-2010 at 2:04am
I think you should look again. Yes, dozens. ------------- Mike N 1968 Mustang |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: October-28-2010 at 3:58am
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Although my boat is a 2001, not a 2000, I think you have a battery issue. My boat behaved the same way when the guys at the shop ran the batteries down listening to the stereo. Before you go buying a new keypad, hook up a new battery, or, at minimum take a good battery out of your truck, and try it.
I put chargers on mine, yada, yada, nothing worked. Put new batteries in and it's been fine for 3 years now. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: October-28-2010 at 12:48pm
Agreed 100% Wakeslayer, I'll bite. how many posts are there on "Low voltage (or no start) in my [pre-2000 Nautique]"? ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: October-28-2010 at 4:34pm
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No Familiarity with the system but I one hundred percent agree with the battery problem diagnosis.. based on the symptoms. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: October-28-2010 at 4:39pm
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What if I was to say we had put another battery in the boat with a 12v charger connected and still the same outcome?
We did do that. Dad is getting the battery out of the 90 this afternoon and giving that a whirl... ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: October-28-2010 at 5:13pm
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Did you check that smaller black lead to the battery?
There may also be a smaller red lead on the positive side which has a fault-prone inline fuse in it. I think that just runs the fuel pumps so it probably has no effect on this particular problem, but worth a check for sure. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: October-28-2010 at 5:48pm
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Well dad is up playing with the boat right now. We're leaning towards going with the first step in parts that could have failed.
I talked to N3 boatworks (midwest cc) and also white lake. By the way, both places were extremely helpful and listened to me cry for a very long time. Here is the keypad on nautiqueparts.com which both places said had a fairly good chance of failing on us.  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: October-28-2010 at 5:52pm
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just make sure they are not jumping at the chance to make a 400 dollar sale ------------- |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: October-28-2010 at 6:06pm
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Ok, this just in. Terry (good buddy on the ski team has a beautiful heated storage garage man cave place, which is where the sport is now) turned the furnace on in his shed last night to try to dry up the air.
Today (5 mins ago) he went out to the boat to check on it...blower runs, as well as the bilge pumps. Horn won't because we un-hooked it thinking it was messing with us. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS?!?!?!? ITs aliiiive :) ...we're hoping its permanently working. After work I am heading up to see if she'll turn over and do other cool stuff!!! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: October-28-2010 at 6:26pm
ditto.. Glad you got that running.. ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: October-28-2010 at 6:34pm
Funny you say that Q, I don't think the key has ever been taken out of the '90.  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: October-28-2010 at 6:43pm
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Keys come out of ours. Keeps the kids from turning on the ignition and running up our hours ------------- |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: October-28-2010 at 7:47pm
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Now I kinda wish it wasn't 40 degrees here...
Hopefully when we get to the shed tonight the boat will fire right up. In which case, dad and I would like to thank you all for the advice posted in this thread. Not sure what I'd do without the CCFAN family!!!! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: Hawktique
Date Posted: October-29-2010 at 6:23pm
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Been waiting in the suspense all day for an update! ------------- "A Veteran is someone who at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to: 'The United States of America,' for an amount of 'up to, and including his life." Semper Fi |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: October-29-2010 at 6:26pm
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haha sorry guys...
got to the shed last night and pushed a button...nothing. Dad and I looked at each other like WTF!??!?! We got mad and started tearing stuff up, well not literally..but we checked battery, checked all power again, all the regular stuff....I pulled the actual start keypad out of the dash and un-hooked it. I rattled it around a little in my hand, gave it the ole tap tap, plugged it back in and it hasn't stopped working since. Tonight I'm going up to confirm that it still works, finish putting the boat together and taking the maiden voyage tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: October-29-2010 at 10:27pm
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380.00 for another 10 years of perfect service? Sign me up! ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |