'98 Sport
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Printed Date: November-22-2024 at 12:42pm
Topic: '98 Sport
Posted By: 63 Skier
Subject: '98 Sport
Date Posted: November-21-2010 at 8:32pm
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I'm looking at a '98 Sport Nautique. I've asked questions about Sport's before, but primarily focused on '89 to '97 Gen 1 and 2 Sports. The boat appears to be in great shape, I've emailed and talked to the owner and it sounds like a well maintained boat with 670 hours.
It has the carbed 290 HP 5.8 HO. Would I regret this over the injected 310 HP GT-40? I've asked enough questions to have a sense of how a '93-'97 Sport skis. The '98 has the same dimensions but a different hull, does it ski any better or worse than a '97? Thanks in advance for any info! ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
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Posted By: Chopper
Date Posted: November-21-2010 at 9:45pm
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We had the 290hp motor in our 1998 Ski Nautique. I thought it was a great motor and we never had any dramas with it. Ours was probably a litte under propped though, and tended to rev high.
------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1540&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1996&yrend=2000 - 98 Ski |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: November-22-2010 at 1:42pm
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The owner said he went to a smaller prop to improve holeshot, and max speed is 42 mph, the original prop was faster. In the end he said holeshot was slightly improved but not a huge difference. My guess is the boat needs a different prop, but he didn't give me the details of prop specs of wot rpm. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: November-22-2010 at 3:05pm
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Forget trying to make sense of what suspect information you have.
A 98 Sport with 290 hp. Is this enough for what you plan on doing with the boat? The only real question is how far down you *might* have to prop it to get you out of the hole with your given boat load in order to get up to whatever speed you need behind the boat. Sounds capable for everything except barefoot endurance racing. I have not skied a 2GN Sport but I wouldn't expect 98's slalom wake could be any worse. ------------- |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: November-22-2010 at 3:19pm
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98 is better slalom wake than the 93-97 Sport. Flatter and softer (It is the TSC1 hull after all).
With a lot of weight the 93-97 can put up a better wakeboard wake than the 98. But, I've argued many times, too much is made of a "better" wakboard wake. Most people can't handle big, giant, world class wakes. The 98 Sport can put up all the wakeboard wake needed by the vast majority of wakeboarders. I have owned two of the GT-40 boats and have always been pleased with the power and reliability. Doesn't mean the 290 won't work. Just means I liked my GT40s. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: November-22-2010 at 3:42pm
BKH, have we been able to positively confirm this? Ive read it many times and repeated it myself, but it was brought to our attention not too long ago that the 98+ brochures make no reference to the TSC hull on the Sport/Air. Jody commented on PN recently that while the 2nd gen Sport went through a few deck changes, its running surface remained essentially unchanged from 94-01. I thought that was interesting and hadnt seen anything with my own eyes that would cause me to question it. ------------- |
bkhallpass wrote:Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: November-22-2010 at 5:16pm
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You know Tim, you are right. I don't think I have ever read anything that confirms 98 Sport is a TSC1 hull.
I do know that I was specifically told that it was in 1998 when I was looking to buy a new boat and eventually settled on a 98 Ski Nautique. I have since skied and wake boarded behind 98 and 99 Sport Nautiques as well as Sports of the 93-97 vintage. I personally concluded that the 93-97 puts up a "better" wakeboard wake, and that the 98/99 had a smaller and softer slalom wake. Who knows. I'm a hack at both wakeboarding and waterskiing. Perhaps it was just in my mind. Perhaps since I thought it was a TSC1, I thought it was a better ski wake. Any who . . . . . BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: November-22-2010 at 5:18pm
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TR could be right...did the sport hulls change? I just looked at a few pics of my buddy's old 95 compared to our new 2000...don't see a diff...
although any difference would be under the boat. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: November-22-2010 at 5:41pm
I think they are different, I could have sworn I've seen 98-99 Sports with a TSC decal on or near the side of the windshield. I'd feel a little let down if the sticker is a lie. I do believe the SS/SAN hull is the same as the 93-97 Sport. A few detailed hull pictures might solve this. 
I think I can see the taper change but it's rather subtle.  ------------- |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: November-22-2010 at 5:46pm
Kind of like how the 85-90 BFN was labeled "2001"?  ------------- |
Posted By: Fl Inboards
Date Posted: November-22-2010 at 6:38pm
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The Hull changes were very minimal to the later Sport 98-2001. Chine cutout was changed as the boat had a tendency to drop in and run not so flat in a turn as did the early super sport . Also a flatter shaft angle was was introduced that year that helped the slalom wake. A 98 Sport makes a great slalom boat provided that the boat is kept as light as possiable. Start getting three people and a skier in the boat and all their gear and it has a rather rough bump at 34/22off and the longer line wake is biger then a SN but still better than any other boat in it's class for that year. 28/32 off and top speeds the boat is dream to ski with,35 off their is a slight trench in the middle of the wake but is very managable. Spray is non exsitant at all line lengths.
BKH is very much on the money about his statement concerning overweighting the boat. If the price is right and the boat is clean and you want it then pick it up!! ------------- Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise. 1993 Shamrock "fat" 20. 2008 Nautique 196 5.0 |
Posted By: Fl Inboards
Date Posted: November-22-2010 at 6:48pm
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In some of the pictures just posted one can look at the last two feet of the slant back vs the later trunk model's that is pretty much the area where changes were made to the wetted surface, along with the flatter transom. I dont doubt that we put TSC decals on that boat as acronims were the rage!
------------- Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise. 1993 Shamrock "fat" 20. 2008 Nautique 196 5.0 |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: November-22-2010 at 7:06pm
I put the feelers out for this measurement on the 93-97 hull. I'll snag it off PLBC's 99. I'll bet it's a good 5" difference.
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Posted By: Fl Inboards
Date Posted: November-22-2010 at 7:23pm
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Yep! Thats the chine cut out area! That Area caused the some funny business when turning in the early version pre 98.
you have not lived until you take a sawsall to a perfectly good ski boat and make a change. Cool!!! I remember the winter of 97 we were taking our test mule Sport to the lake every day and every night some subtle change was being made to the trailing edge to see if it made any difference on slalom skiability. Someone during that time had it in their head we could make a tournament boat as good as a SN out of the sport. At least when we cmae out with the trunk version you could put a 68" slalom in the trunk where a 66' barely fit in a SN. Notice the platform got smaller on the latter Sport? ------------- Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise. 1993 Shamrock "fat" 20. 2008 Nautique 196 5.0 |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: November-22-2010 at 7:28pm
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Why is the platform so much smaller? I wish our 2000 sport's was bigger like the old ones.
(I'm sure this will get put into a signature at some point)  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: lewy2001
Date Posted: November-22-2010 at 8:13pm
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In the 98 Sport brochure it states "Correct Craft has added a small step in the port and starboard chines. This step enhances slow speed maneuvering without changing the wakes shape."
Is this just marketing speak? Or is it the tweaks they made to the newly introduced Air hull in 98 that Quinner has mentioned in another thread. I am putting more trust in the man on the floor building these boats (Jody) than the marketing department knowing what is really happening on these hulls. I have a interest in this subject as my 98 sport should be arriving in the next few weeks. Hollywood the earlier hull does look narrower but is it just because all the other angles have changed due to the new rounded transom. Thus producing a optical illusion of it being narrower. Will be interesting to see how the measurements compare. Jody did they build new moulds or just modify the 93-97 moulds? ------------- If you're going through hell, keep going http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2999" rel="nofollow - 89 Ski <a href="http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5685" ta |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: November-22-2010 at 8:22pm
The earlier hull in the back is wider. ------------- |
Posted By: lewy2001
Date Posted: November-22-2010 at 8:35pm
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Hollywood looks like Jody has confirmed that it is narrower. I was typing my post and got distracted by work so I missed Jody's post before I posted. (I hate it when someone rings in expecting me to work while I am getting updated on what happened overnight on CCfan).
Jody was there a reason for the smaller platform. Wake shape? Or was it just to save a few trees.  ------------- If you're going through hell, keep going http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2999" rel="nofollow - 89 Ski <a href="http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5685" ta |
Posted By: Fl Inboards
Date Posted: November-22-2010 at 9:42pm
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Because of the rear trunk area new molds were produced as it would have been a nightmare to try and adapt the newer transom in the exsisting mold. In reality the width of the boat overall did not change except where the chine cutouts were. The relase points on the trailing is indeed somewhat narrower. Some may think that what I consider small changes in a wetted surface to be a totaly new hull but the entry and basic shape did not change. As for the platform on the early trunk model being a little smaller it was addressed in the last couple of years. More emphisis was put on the deck change and the amount of room and storage.
Still the Sport is a very fine ski machine and will provide for a great experiance either behind the wheel or behind the boat. A lot of the ideas off the sport transfered over to the 216 as the Sport was fazed out. ------------- Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise. 1993 Shamrock "fat" 20. 2008 Nautique 196 5.0 |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: November-22-2010 at 11:06pm
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"If the price is right and the boat is clean and you want it then pick it up!!"
Well, reading the info here is a huge help, sounds like a boat I would love. It looks clean from the pics, talking to the owner made me feel very comfortable with how it's been treated. It has 670 hours, Monster tower, trailer in good shape, couple of covers. Owner is asking 18 grand. I don't know if that price is "right", my problem is it's about 4 grand more than I had intended to spend as a maximum, so I have to think about it a bit. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: lewy2001
Date Posted: November-23-2010 at 2:46am
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David $18K sounds a bit high for a 98 especially this time of year. If the boat was in really good shape I would say $14-16K. ------------- If you're going through hell, keep going http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2999" rel="nofollow - 89 Ski <a href="http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5685" ta |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: November-23-2010 at 2:46am
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I have seen much better deals. I know of a 2001 Air/Sport Nautique, with the GT 40, and tandem trailer, less than 500 hours, asking price was 20K and I am sure it can be had for less.
The one you are looking at may be a good boat. In my humble opinion, it it not that great a deal. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: November-23-2010 at 3:24am
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I think you both are right, and was thinking along the same lines. It is worth something to me to hear the story of how the boat was maintained, you can tell when you speak to someone how they approached it, what kind of attention to detail the owner took. But, hard to put a number on that, and it's not in my back yard either.
I've expected/hoped to spend 12-14 thousand on a '93-'97 Sport. As I look at the design changes and listen to the comments here, I know I'd like the '98 a lot, but I just can't spend that much on it. I might make an offer and see if the owner is willing to part with it for a few grand less. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: November-23-2010 at 12:11pm
Family just bought our 2000 Sport 75th Anniversary for X. It has 75 hrs on it.
 ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: November-23-2010 at 3:57pm
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That looks like an incredible buy. I haven't found any deals that good over the few months I've been looking. I expected some to surface as fall came along, but still haven't seen what I'd call great deals on Sport's. It seems like there are a lot more closed bow Nautiques, and a ton of 2001's, but not a lot of '93 up Sports for sale.
------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: November-23-2010 at 4:14pm
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http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/boa/2065905673.html - '96 Sport for $11.6k
http://lancaster.craigslist.org/boa/2011123692.html - '99 Air Nautique for $12k http://orlando.craigslist.org/boa/2057556503.html - '97 Air Nautique for $15k obo ------------- |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: November-23-2010 at 5:05pm
There seems to be a bit of Nautique drought in New England. I was having that conversation with bkhallpass the other night. He was saying they can be plentiful in CA, I know there's a lot in the South East. Someone should start addressing that issue. I'd think there could be money to be made as long as transport costs could be managed. |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: November-23-2010 at 9:13pm
Thanks Tim! I'm sorry to ask this again, I know it's been covered but I can't keep it straight. Is a '97 Air Nautique the identical boat to a Sport Nautique? And, is a '99 Air Nautique the identical boat to a Sport Nautique? I looked at the brochures and am still not completely sure. On the '96 Sport, he says the interior is rough. Should I figure around 2 grand for a new interior? ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: quinner
Date Posted: November-23-2010 at 9:37pm
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With direct drives typically the "Airs" are sports unless of course they are "Pro Airs", which 99' - 01' or 02' had a different hull (TWC).
Regarding price, My neighbor just picked up a really nice 98' for quite a bit less then 18k FWIW ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1143" rel="nofollow - Mi Bowt |
Posted By: Nautique Fan
Date Posted: November-24-2010 at 12:28am
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On the '96 Sport, he says the interior is rough. Should I figure around 2 grand for a new interior?[/QUOTE]
I have an email with pics from the guy who was trying to sell this boat. It is from a couple of months ago and the interior looked extremely rough. I can send it to you if you want. History was that he bought it in the spring of this year from a guy in Jacksonville, FL and found a deal on a 02 Super Air and didn't need two boats. I tried to get the Hull ID from him, but he never sent it. I was going to use it to get a quote from Christine's for the interior. I lost intrest as I really wanted a super sport or super air. But, I would plan on replacing all pieces of vinyl in that one. Another site to search for these boats is www.onlyinboards.com I remember there being a beautiful sport nautique up in michigan back when I was looking. ------------- 1997 Nautique Super Sport 1989 Ski Nautique 2001 (Sold) |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: November-24-2010 at 1:07pm
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Thanks for the info NF. I do look on onlyinboards a bit, they have the one I've been looking at plus a few air's on there now. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: skutsch
Date Posted: November-25-2010 at 8:20pm
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Love my 98 Sport. H/W you are correct, it does have the TSC decal on windshield. Also you did foot behind a 98..., remember Lake Shangri-la
Mine does have the GT-40, if you can find one with that it sure is nice, we paid $17k with a tick over 500 hours in June of 09. The pics of the stern area on the Gen 1 Sport and Gen 2 Sport, IMHO, really show a dramatic difference. Slalom wake is more like Weitekamps Ski Nautique (96 maybe), M3Fans 99 Ski is just a little bit flatter/smaller. All and all I think it skis great. With 2 200 lb guys in the stern seat it throws a pretty big wakeboard wake. Just another data point. ------------- Our http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4669" rel="nofollow - 98 Sport Nautique My Dad's 63 Ski N |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: February-26-2014 at 12:17pm
I know this is a 4 year old thread but this still bothers me. Jody (and so did myself and The Dude) confirmed the new hull is narrower at the transom. ------------- |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: March-02-2014 at 1:37am
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No question about it Kevin. When you posted the pictures it was very clear that the '98 is narrower in the chine cut-out than the '97. What made you dig this up now? I've still never driven or skied behind a '93-'97 Sport, would like to do so to compare. I'm happy to report that with the help of this thread I did end up with a '98 and love the boat! Definitely glad I ended up with a GT-40. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: March-02-2014 at 1:51am
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Oh and I like the smaller platform. Makes it really easy to stand on the ski. Plenty big enough to get up on. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: lewy2001
Date Posted: March-02-2014 at 6:43am
I thought that everyone agreed the 98 was narrower in the chine cutout area  The 98 hull is 145cm (57") across that chine cutout dimension for the record. ------------- If you're going through hell, keep going http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2999" rel="nofollow - 89 Ski <a href="http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5685" ta |
Posted By: jo-e90
Date Posted: March-02-2014 at 10:55am
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What is the measurement for the PRO Air? ------------- 1997 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: March-02-2014 at 11:29am
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Need someone with a '93-'97 to measure and post, just so we have it on record. Keith ??? One thing that surprises me - not knowing diddly about hull design, but if you narrow the running surface at the stern I'd expect the stern to "drop" in just a bit more, which would increase wake size. Yet it's the opposite, by all accounts I've read the '98 up has a better slalom wake. I guess the inboard prop angle is lifting the stern all the time to counteract that. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: March-02-2014 at 1:39pm
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Alright Mark, it just seemed like you were saying the opposite. A shallower prop shaft angle would actually provide less stern lift... ------------- |
Posted By: 63 Skier
Date Posted: March-02-2014 at 2:02pm
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I was thinking the same thing. I would guess that so many factors work together, shaft angle, engine placement, how much hook, that it's easy for us to look at one factor but not know all the details that went into a design change. One thing I want to do after re-reading this thread. Go for a ski with my usual trunk full of junk and other stuff in the boat. Then strip it down, low fuel, empty trunk, remove back seat, and see what the wake difference feels like. ------------- '63 American Skier - '98 Sport Nautique |