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Topic: Furnace rebates
Posted By: OverMyHead
Subject: Furnace rebates
Date Posted: December-19-2010 at 1:00am
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How many of you jumped on the Govt energy rebate that expires on the 31st? I am getting in last minute, but what a deal, between manufacturer rebates, utilitie rebates and the fed, I am getting $2500 in cash back and "assistance" to replace my 25 year old furnace and air with high efficiency stuff. Will only be $3000 out of pocket for Rheem 75,000 btu furnace and 2 ton AC installed. Appliance welfare, who would of thought. Not to late, I just started calling yesterday! ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
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Posted By: horkn
Date Posted: December-19-2010 at 1:13am
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The good news is that these rebates and tax credits for energy star rated windows/ doors insulation etc, appear to be renewed for 2011.
I hope they do, because while I did add insulation to my existing insulation to make it R60 or so (yeah, really that much), I have a bunch of windows and a sliding door I want to have replaced. There is an existing credit/ rebate for those that go to a high efficiency wood burning insert or fireplace that is good for like 2 more years. Well, at least in WI there is. With the huge amounts of energy that more efficient furnaces, fireplaces, insulation and such save, the American public will be steered to switch to these more efficient items with rebates and incentives. ------------- 78 martinique- refloored, reinforced, stringers re glassed, re engineered interior GT40P heads Edelbrock Performer intake acme 4 blade http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/horkn/fish/nautique.jpg |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-19-2010 at 8:54am
Tom, I have to assume this was in your attic. Was additional blown in? What did you do at the heel for ventilation? Was it eve ventilated? If blocked, you could have condensation problems. BTW, the R60 is not uncommon. I went beyond that with my shop. Also, depending on what was done at the heel of the roof and the pitch, that R60 may not start until you are 4 to 6 feet away from the outside wall. What was done? I'm curious. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
horkn wrote:Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: December-19-2010 at 9:49am
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We did this a few months ago when we had problems with out AC. With the rebates and tax credits it was the right time to do it. 19 year old house it was all on it's last leg so replaced it all. We also took advantage of an energy credit from our local gas utility. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-19-2010 at 10:28am
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Alan,
Problems with the rebate or the tax credit? I used the tax credit two years ago on a Lenox furnace only. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: December-19-2010 at 11:14am
Neither, we went through June with no A/C and when we had the service tech out we surveyed the whole system and found a cracked heat exchanger in the furnace so it was time. Replaced it with Trane equipment, 95% eff, modulating fan, humidifier system, air purification system and a 4 ton compressor, very pleased. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: December-19-2010 at 11:22am
Hey Dave, I didn't think you guys in Minnesota even new what A/C was?  ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: December-19-2010 at 11:25am
I realize your AC was out Alan but I have heard that a "cracked" heat exchanger is used much like when you take your car in for an oil change and they tell you that your tie rods or ball joints are "bad" ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-19-2010 at 11:38am
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I think i posted this one other time, you gotta watch those HVAC guys, when I built our building I needed office heat 75000 btu...well about a year ealier a guy in the HVAC business brought a scratch and dent furnace in for me to pull off the covers and straighten the sheet metal, I believe he paid 150 bucks for it, I completely forgot about it.
well he did the office and the bill was around 2500.00 (from memory) and a couple months went by and i was in the furnace room and noticed a couple creases in the covers.....the mfer sold me the scratch and dent furnace....lets put it this way...you didnt want to be around that day. I dont mind paying a guy what he deserves, but... ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: December-19-2010 at 11:47am
Yea, you southerners seem to forget that our 10,000 lakes actually melt nearly every year.  For the record Minneapolis enjoys an annual temp swings of over 130 degrees, from less than 30 below overnights in January to 96+ with humidities near 100% in August. After the January cold snap when we soar back into the 20's it is not uncommen to see people hatleess in windbreakers, shorts return when the temps go beyond 40. When your used to that you will melt without AC when it hits 80.------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: December-19-2010 at 11:52am
I have found the answer to be the utilities service plan, I pay 13 a month to cover the furnace/AC, waterheater (gas) and gas dryer, They tend not to run up the bill when they are paying for it. I have them in every other year to replace the blower sensor that goes out so I figure it pays itself, one dryer breakdown and I am ahead. They eventually will red tag stuff though when it gets to old to find parts for, it is in their contract. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: December-19-2010 at 11:52am
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is that when you guys start skiing? when the ice breaks in August? lol ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: December-19-2010 at 11:55am
Its one great week sometimes two before they freeze again.  ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: December-19-2010 at 12:06pm
I was there when they pulled the cover off, black soot all over the place and a crack about 3" long. 20 years old and always giving us trouble, just time to go. I was looking to try to cut our utility bills, the electric bill for A/C was definately lower after the install but I can't tell with the gas bill yet as this december has been so darn cold. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: horkn
Date Posted: December-21-2010 at 11:06pm
Yep, in the attic, and blown in. That was a fun job for me. not.. It is ventilated well at the overhangs with proper plastic spacers to let the roof breathe. It also has vents in the roof top as well. Had it not been vented, I certainly would have mega condensation issues with my 300 gallons of salt water reef tank already in my house, with probably another 350-400 g tank going in upstairs in the next year. ------------- 78 martinique- refloored, reinforced, stringers re glassed, re engineered interior GT40P heads Edelbrock Performer intake acme 4 blade http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/horkn/fish/nautique.jpg |
Posted By: horkn
Date Posted: December-21-2010 at 11:09pm
Exactly. We have hot summers and cold winters up here.... and everything in between too. ------------- 78 martinique- refloored, reinforced, stringers re glassed, re engineered interior GT40P heads Edelbrock Performer intake acme 4 blade http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/horkn/fish/nautique.jpg |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: December-22-2010 at 12:07am
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We just missed this- had to replace the AC and Furnace and ended up going with Payne HE units in 2008. Well over 5K for both (I want to say 5800) and that's with a good friend's company purchasing and installing (discounted). Still going strong with no problems. It is amazing that the exhaust is so cool that it can vent via PVC (and it draws fresh air in via a separate pipe). My "chimney" is now only used for the hot water heater. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: December-22-2010 at 12:13am
| Didn't do a furnace, but, we just had a Pella sliding patio door delivered yesterday that qualifies. As I understand it, they will allow a deduction of 30% off the purchase price when you do your taxes. |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: December-22-2010 at 10:43am
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Not a deduction, that would come of your income resulting in a tax savings at the rate of your federal taxes, You get a 30 percent tax credit which comes directly off your tax bill, so if you got the full 1500 as a deduction and you were in the 15% bracket it would save you $225 off your tax bill, as a credit you get the full $1500 off your bill, provided you had 1500 worth of taxes on income to offset. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: thatdude596
Date Posted: December-22-2010 at 5:41pm
| stay away from rheem. they are not crap, but they are also not a well built/designed system. look into train american standard carrier or even bryant. |
Posted By: Andy
Date Posted: December-23-2010 at 12:15am
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The Rheem warning goes for water heaters too.
Don't forget the credit goes for them too! ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3721&sort=&pagenum=6&yrstart=1982&yrend=1982" rel="nofollow - My Blue 82 SOLD! |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: December-23-2010 at 2:15am
Duuuudddee, your majorly bumming me out, warning me about getting rheemed the night before my furnace install. I did my research and two independant consumer ratings (One was consumer reports) rated both the rheem AC and furnace as lowest for repair calls. I am not guestioning your advice, OK maybe wondering a little about your credability (your profile is pretty empty) I am wondering the basis for your opinion. Are you in the industry? A consumer with bad experience? Do you have an ex-wife that stands to inherit the rheem fortune? , I am too far in and got to good of a price to turn back now. I will cross my fingers and keep paying my sevice plus coverage after the warrenty expires.------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: horkn
Date Posted: December-23-2010 at 3:49am
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fwiw, I used to be in the HVAC business, and I never heard/ saw anything bad with rheem water heaters or furnaces.
I will tell you that I worked and dealt more with boilers and plumbing than furnaces, but i have gone on a few no heat calls for furnaces. Thermocouples can go bad on any furnace. ------------- 78 martinique- refloored, reinforced, stringers re glassed, re engineered interior GT40P heads Edelbrock Performer intake acme 4 blade http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/horkn/fish/nautique.jpg |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: December-23-2010 at 8:39am
Tom, How long ago were you in the trade? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: thatdude596
Date Posted: December-23-2010 at 12:37pm
credentials- well for starters i have been around and in the biz since i was in diapers. my grandfather is a retired tinner, all 3 uncles and old man are union tinners, including myself. all have done hundreds of residential units, installs, check ups, service calls, etc. i have two uncles who own non union companies, and have several friends that own companies as well. lets just say the credentials are over qualified. back to the facts, i dont know anyone who would install rheem systems. even if i got the units much much cheaper than the above stated, its not worth the headache. headaches being faulty equipment, bad factory support, and the dreaded service calls. are they junk, no. there is some real pos furnaces out there, like goodmans lennox, keeprites, amana,comfortmaker, ducane, etc. why i and most people i know wont use rheem is quality and craftmanship of the units. they boxes and design and cheaper, comparable to many builders grade boxes. they are louder, and noisy than most. they have a horrible blower fan that is undersized, thus prone to burning up. the pc board is not as high quality as other top end furnaces. burners are not of same gauge and as well built. really they are an inferior product of the furnaces i stated above, but again not junk. you may never have a problem, or you may get rheemed in the end. to be honest i worked with a guy who started his own union residential company on the side using rheem equipment. he no longer is in the residential game, due to a few reasons, one being the equipment and reps were not very well. again this wasnt the only deciding factor, but one of them. btw did you opt for the single stage or variable speed blower? the variable speeds are the way to go with the 95%. good luck and dont me to scare you away to much!
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Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: December-24-2010 at 1:50am
OK you are credible and then some, just wish you had caught me sooner, The units are installed and working well, I did get the dual stage 95% efficieent model (necesary for the tax credit they tell me). I am not real excited about the two 3" PVC pipes snakeing there way across my 7 foot laundry room cieling, but I will get used to them, they take the same path but I had just a single two inch before that hugged the cieling better. They did manage to take out my office phone line, I have about two hours into disconnecting all the lines from the main block so I could check for dial tone, and then reconnecting one at a time till I found the trouble maker. I then moved my modem and am trying to get the computer that was hard wired to work wireless. At least my laptop is working now. I also moved a wireless phone but I still have to figure out the fax. I am sure the Rheem salesman will not be excited about the call he is getting in the morning It took me over two hours to fish the line the last time through a soffited heat chase and down a wall which now has a floor to ceiling cabinet screwed and caulked to it, also attached to another cabinet which holds up a desk top. At least the house is warm. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: horkn
Date Posted: December-24-2010 at 2:16am
Too long for a college degree. ------------- 78 martinique- refloored, reinforced, stringers re glassed, re engineered interior GT40P heads Edelbrock Performer intake acme 4 blade http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/horkn/fish/nautique.jpg |
Posted By: thatdude596
Date Posted: December-24-2010 at 12:19pm
| over- yes thats correct that it must be a 95% afue. now single stage or 2 stage did not matter for tax rebate. the 2 stage is a little more money, but imho its worth it. |
Posted By: 67425ks
Date Posted: December-26-2010 at 1:20am
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overmyhead
for what its worth, i have been told that whatever unit you pick out, make sure it has a copeland compressor. so far mine has been great, but its only 1.5 years old. also, the 2 stage in my opinion is worth the extra money. p.s. my wife is from clarkfield minnesota. i have experienced a little bit of your winters and decided i dont have what it takes to survive up there. |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: December-26-2010 at 2:31am
I am not sure most people have what it takes, but when your stuck here you have to find it. It's mind over matter, if you don't mind it does not really matter. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: horkn
Date Posted: December-26-2010 at 3:53pm
I think it's more about keeping occupied with winter activities rather than sitting inside all day. I don't mind snowmobiling one bit. I actually look forward to it.  ------------- 78 martinique- refloored, reinforced, stringers re glassed, re engineered interior GT40P heads Edelbrock Performer intake acme 4 blade http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/horkn/fish/nautique.jpg |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-05-2011 at 11:08am
It's interesting the different opinions you run into. I have a close fiend that I talk to almost every weekday morning. He's been in and owned a refrigeration business for 45 years primarily servicing smaller items like AC, dairy cases, beer coolers, walk in coolers/freezers, etc. I happened to mention to him this discussion about Copeland and his responce was the opposite. In what's referred to as a "tin can" compressor, the Copelands are nothing but trouble and considered to be a low quality product. He's had them last only a year! Replaced with a Tecumseh and they are still running. He feels the Tecumseh is by far a better product!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: thatdude596
Date Posted: January-05-2011 at 1:22pm
| copelands embarco danfoss climatuff are all good. 8122- your buddy is a good salesman, tecumseh are crap. they are cheaper thats why he uses them. he can make more profits even if if he has to service them. i dont know anyone, or companies in the residential or commericial aspect that uses tecumseh. most people stay away from anything made with the logo tecumseh on it. really they are loud and made cheaply. funny your buddy says they copelands are a tin can, he has it backwards my friend. sure any compressor can go bad within a year, or even weeks. thats just like anything made in this world, there is no 100% perfect product...but then again wtf do i know. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-06-2011 at 11:16am
Not given, Please keep in mind that my posting started off with wording stating "opinions". It's quite obvious since you used words like "crap" and phrases like "made cheaply" that your opinions are very strong. It looks like your relative’s credentials are strong but will I still take their and your comments as opinions. If you ever get a chance, saw open both a Copeland and a Tecumseh and take a look at things like bearing and rod sizes. I think you'll be surprised. As far as pricing goes, I checked with my friend and both brands are priced within 1% of each other. Since he uses so many compressors, he may be on a different pricing schedule than you and your relatives are familiar with. FYI, in our area, a "tin can" is slang for any hermetic (as opposed to a semi hermetic) compressor and does not refer to the quality. Since you do not have any information posted in your signature, profile, and no diary/avitar I have no idea what part of the country you're in. One last note is for you to take a look at both brands volumetric efficiencies. Size to size, here too I feel you'll be surprised. BTW, I don't remember seeing what boat you have. Not a problem as all are welcome here. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: thatdude596
Date Posted: January-06-2011 at 12:37pm
| given- i work for the largest hvac pipe fitting and service contractor in ohio and know what we use and buy. i talk to these guys everyday in, and out of the workday. 90% of our equipment from my prvious post is what we use. never have seen our company or anyone i know install tecumseh bud. i know many many people in the industry and never heard anything good about tecumseh. as far as pricing i highly doubt your buddy gets cheaper prices being a smaller company. i consider a small company 10-15 guys. ask your buddy if he gets all of his equipment within 1% of each other. if he says yes, hes getting fooled by the better salesman here. a tin can is often referred to a hermetically sealed unit or a lousy noisy pos. if you go back to my post i stated the tecumsehs are very noisy and sound like a tin can.(ie: cheaply made, thin walled, loud,like banging a tin can.) fyi your buddy is an idiot or you mis quoted him. he stated a copeland is a tin can,(meaning hermetically sealed in your neck of the world) and is inferior to tecumseh. well in about 2006-2007 most residential and light commercial which includes beer coolers/freezers switched to hermetically sealed units, or tin cans! why? they are disposable and cheaper. a hermetically sealed unit in balanced and sealed, and filled from the factory, no maintenence. this is cheaper for the contractor and the owner. they are less noisy 75% of the time by them wrapping them in cases or blankets, and shim the with rubber isolators on the bottom. semi heretics are still used in the larger scale of compressors due to the aspect of being able to rebuild them. were talking big money units that will last 30-50 years here. semis are heaveier more monies larger in size, and louder in gerneral. these compressors are rebuilable since the intial cost can range from 2000- 10,000. these have external motors that can be worked on and repalced. these you will find in big refrigeration systems.now that just a quick overview and lesson on hermetic-non hermetic. all companies make both sealed and non sealed. whats better, depends on the application. your not gonna put a 5000 semi hermetic compressor in a 7000 job. again tecumsehs are very loud made cheaply, and sound like a tin can. yes they can be tin cans IF they are hermetically sealed as well. apples v apples tecumsehs are inferior to the original post products. before i go the i will touch base on volumetric efficiency. basically this equates to rpms and overall power, and efficiency. this is a gray area and doesnt necessarily make the product better overall. you can get around this by using larger/smaller valves or many valves. this is a whole new discussion and really done proving my point to you cause fro mreading most of your posts, it seems like you know it all. always a mr. know it all on every forum and no matter what just likes to argue. im done cause your buddy and yourself know everything when it comes to hvac/pipefitting/service. btw- my boat is a pristine 1994 19'6 ski nautique red white n black. what did my boat have anything to do with this topic? have a good day sir. |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: January-06-2011 at 1:37pm
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I never cease to be amazed at what we will argue about here in the slow winter months. In case know ones noticed I don't post much anymore because I don't like arguing with Friends but it happens all to often.
Let it go guys, Thatdude, welcome and relax. Get out to a reunion this summer and learn that 99% of the folks here are awesome people, love boats, skiing and will always lend a helping hand to friends and strangers alike, especially the guy your having issues with now. We have such a good time as a group I urge you not to alienate yourself before you really know what this site is all about. Thanks for listening. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: January-06-2011 at 1:51pm
I know what you mean, Allen. Do you guys use heating oil in the mid west? Until recently about 90% of Maine homes did, but people are converting like crazy. 6 years ago I was paying under a buck a gallon through a co op. I just got a little more than a half tank for $550, $2.97/gal and it hasn't even gotten really cold yet. Ouch! ------------- |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: January-06-2011 at 2:11pm
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This just points out my initial problem, If two very knowlegable sources are 180 degrees from each other in opinion of a product how does someone who is admittedly OverHisHead make a confident decision. Came down to dollars for me. my bid was 2 grand under the next one. hard to argue with (well... unless your on this site. ). I spent new years day removing 2 cabinets and fishing a new phone line to my office, I had to retexture some unavoidable ceiling damage, re-caulk and touch up paint. I had a total of 5 1/2 hours into the whole project. I feel bad that it was back billed to the installer who otherwise did a great job, but I also think he got a deal having me do it for 25$ an hour. All is good now, just sitting in the warm house waiting for rebate checks. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: January-06-2011 at 2:16pm
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There is still some heating oil use here, Some propane also, If your in town and natural gas is piped down your street it is a no brainer from a cost stand point. I remember a story a few years back about a heating oil truck going to the wrong house and filling the basement through the old disconnected filler tube, created an EPA nightmare and the house had to be demolished. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: January-06-2011 at 2:30pm
This is part of my problem and why I posted my advice to thatdude. Brainards "Buddy" is a member if this site and will eventually see this thread and speak up if he feels the info on his behalf is wrong but why argue and name call in the meantime. You only make one first impression. If these guys got together and had a real factual discussion here we might all learn something useful, otherwise we're back to our usual useless behavior. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: January-06-2011 at 2:47pm
I have to admire their passion and expertise, but you are correct, there is nothing like a trip to Green Lake to remind us all what we have in common. Only about 7 months away now  . It's going to be a long winter.------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-06-2011 at 3:06pm
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Getting to a reunion and meeting some of the CCfan family is always a fantastic experience. It's a great time and opportunity. Make some time for it. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-06-2011 at 4:01pm
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would you guys believe the Borg Warner is the best transmission out there? lol
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Posted By: thatdude596
Date Posted: January-06-2011 at 4:14pm
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sounds like a great time by reading and looking at pics.
eric- i thought they were?  you guys staying busy up there this winter?
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Posted By: 67425ks
Date Posted: January-06-2011 at 9:07pm
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pete, i talked to a couple of buddies in the hvac business and my supplier in KC where i bought my heat pump and copeland seemed to be the unanimous choice. whith that said, i have not put any effort into substantiating any of those claims with any evidence (i am not even sure what i would look for). when it comes to tecumseh compressors i will have to agree to disagree and put the subject to rest.
thatdude596, i am not a hvac expert and might not have any ground to stand on, but i have a hard time believing that volumetric effiency has no significance when picking out a compressor. in my field, vlumetric efficiency means leakage and leakage means a sloppy, horespower robbing, heat making hydraulic pump or motor. also pete, i dont own a boat, however i am a CCF. about 3 years ago, i narrowed my boat search to a correct craft. two kids and building a new house screwed the pooch on that idea, so i am waiting patiently for the perfect boat to pop up so i can tear up the local water hole in a correct craft. thanks to CCF, when my day comes to purchase a correct craft i will be much more knowledgable than i was 3 years ago. are you a fan of anything that you dont own? |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: January-07-2011 at 9:50am
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they are.....in my opinion. yeah staying real busy but not making any money lol, just paying the bills
according to my calculations, I have to work 2 hours to pay 1 hours worth of bills ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |