Building Detached Garage?
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Topic: Building Detached Garage?
Posted By: M3Fan
Subject: Building Detached Garage?
Date Posted: March-02-2011 at 1:18pm
So I'm tossing around the idea of demo'ing our current POS 24X24 garage and going with a double-deep 22X40 garage. Don't want anything fancy- a single gable roof, vinyl siding, service door, main door, insulation, and a slab that can support a 2-post car lift  . I enjoy tinkering and fixing stuff in the garage and I'd like more room to do it, more boat storage room, and I'm sick of jack stands. Kids riding toys have also taken up an insane amount of space in the garage. I'd also like a heated garage for year-round tinkering.
Adding on to the current garage is not an option. I think it was built by the moronic previous homeowner who's work I've had to undo around the house for the past 7 years. It's gotta go. I've called 3 local garage companies so I'll have quotes from them soon. I have no idea what to expect. I mean, how much could a garage cost? With a little googling I've gathered about 45.00/sqft which seems high. (50K!?!) I'm sure I could chip in with electric and insulation. OR, do I build it myself? How much of a PITA would that be? Thoughts. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
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Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: March-02-2011 at 1:23pm
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Joel, I'll be watching and waiting to hear what you come back with. My girlfriend father built a similar sized building about 8 years ago with all the trimmings for 45k. Not sure what it would cost him now.
I remember seeing a post on TT on garages and a guy was finishing up doing his own and had about 8k wrapped up into the whole thing. I'd love to do one myself out at the farm for that price. I think he was quoted at 30-40k contracted. ------------- |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: March-02-2011 at 1:26pm
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I spent a total of $10k in 2003 building a 24x28 on a slab. I used fir T1-11 and did not insulate. There was no charge for labor. Site work and slab were $3,300. Materials were basic, but it is very well built. The garage companies around here build a very cheap garage. You can't even imagine the corners they cut until you see what they've done. The only thing I'd do differently is build bigger. My buddy is a decent builder and I figured we saved $3,000 to $4,000 on labor.
I had the slab all ready and materials on site. He and his son and me and my son put it up in 5 4 hour afternoons. I contracted out the overhead doors and roof cover. My buddy enjoys running a crew. I can't tell you how many times that week I heard "this garage isn't going to build itself" or "we're getting paid by the job, not the hour". ------------- |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: March-02-2011 at 1:29pm
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Just for a price comparison look into a Morton (or similar) building. They can perhaps quote you over the internet as to a cost for comparison.
Even though it is a steel bulkding the front can be dressed up to asthetically fit your neighborhood. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: March-02-2011 at 1:47pm
Yeah, if it's 45K contracted it's not happenin'  ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: March-02-2011 at 1:55pm
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Maybe you can get Pete's builder. I don't think he spent more that $50k on his. ------------- |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: March-02-2011 at 1:59pm
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I'm doing the same thing in a couple years out in my backyard. I can easily benefit though. My uncle owns the only concrete company in town (cost) and multiple guys on the ski team are contractors. So, We will be making a couple fun weekends out of it. Problem is though...I need it to be big enough for:
1990 Ski Nautique 2000 Sport Nautique 1976 16ft flatbottom boat 1985 Hydrodyne Twin Rig Snowmobiles Place for fixin stuff I think the CCFAN guys should travel together for a week in the summer and fix peoples boats and build stuff for other members. Isn't there a show like that? lol ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-02-2011 at 2:01pm
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Joel,
The only good thing I can say about the "package" garage guys is they will know what's allowed in your village/city. Check it out. You may not be allowed to put up a steel building??? This is for down here and not up north correct? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: mdvalant
Date Posted: March-02-2011 at 2:02pm
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Good idea, my neighbor just put up a large pole building (no insulation or heat) but for a good price. I think you can always throw insulation in it. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5009 - '90 Ski (sold) http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5479 - '00 Sport Mississippi River - Bellevue, IA |
Posted By: C-Bass
Date Posted: March-02-2011 at 2:13pm
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Contracting it all out, you could get close to $50k honestly if you're having electrical/insulation/heating. Maybe just a tad high but I would assume things are a tad higher up near Chicago as well.
We just built a 32'wide x 36'deep garage with room-in-attic trusses, which gave us another 12'x36' room upstairs (you should seriously consider doing this, it's cheap storage). Some of the stuff I did myself to save some money, but most of it was hired out. Details: Site prep: Surveyors laid out the site plan, and came out placed the stakes. I rented a mini-excavator to do the site prep, and dug the footers. Foundation: Hired out the pouring of the footers & concrete block foundation. Had stone delivered which I leveled and compacted myself. Slab: Hired same guy that did footers to pour the slab. Framing: (2x4 walls, 9' tall, 9x8 door, 16x8 door, access door) Hired out, along with crane rental to place trusses. Roofing: Had ambitions of this, but ends up a 8x12 pitch roof is steeper than you think...ended up hiring this done. Soffit/Fascia: Paid a guy to come out and help who does this as side work. He was worth it as I would've paid almost as much anyway to rent a sheet metal brake as I did for his help (he had his own brake). Siding (back wall only): Did this myself with my brother in law. So easy, you should definitely do this yourself. Brick (3 sides): Hired out Garage doors: (9x8 and 16x8) Installed these myself. Pretty straight forward, didn't even have a helper. Electrical: Doing this myself currently. All together, with the addition of about 1200 sq.ft. of concrete driveway leading up to the garage, I'm probably around $36k. This is with no insulation/heat/plumbing. You'll definitely save quite a bit with siding instead of brick (brick/mason was about 25% of the total bill). You could easily do the framing if you have some help and have the tools. I had neither, so I hired it out. Hope this helps. ------------- Craig 67 SN 73 SN http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6103" rel="nofollow - 99 Sport 85SN |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: March-02-2011 at 2:52pm
It's for down here. You're right about the codes. One of the guys I talked to was rattling off codes left and right which was nice- he knew what he was doing for sure. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
8122pbrainard wrote:Posted By: FINS
Date Posted: March-02-2011 at 3:11pm
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Go as big as you can possibly afford! I built a 40'x52' and filled it quickly. I would LOVE to find an old industrial building and rent part and store boats in the other.
Here is a shot of a garage project I am working on for a client. It is an 18 car garage (yes 18, and that is before he puts in storage lifts) with an attached 725 square foot guest house with windows that look down into the "show" garage section. The entire building is wrapped in stone trying to make it look like a 1930's-40's compound.  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2262&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1925&yrend=1960" rel="nofollow - 59 ATOM Lake Tapps, Wa. |
Posted By: bbishop1974
Date Posted: March-02-2011 at 3:33pm
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after getting several quotes in the 50k range i was about to give up on getting a garage.then i met a guy thru a co worker who was building on the side.i got a 24'x32' with full walk up 2nd floor,vinyl sided to match the house,4 windows,1 side door,1 oversize garage door(cant remember spec) for 25k w/no electric.very happy with the work,all 2x6,it took him 2 or 3 months,but worth the wait.that was about 6 years ago and i have moved since then.the house sits forclosed after the new owners walked away after 6 months.i miss that garage
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Posted By: C-Bass
Date Posted: March-02-2011 at 4:30pm
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Yeah when I built mine, I was debating between either a 3 car or an 18 car. I settled for the 3. ------------- Craig 67 SN 73 SN http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=6103" rel="nofollow - 99 Sport 85SN |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: March-02-2011 at 4:52pm
That's a heck of a project. Too bad he's probably into Ferraris and not Correct Crafts. I'd have it full of $1,000 boats. ------------- |
Posted By: FINS
Date Posted: March-02-2011 at 6:51pm
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Riley- I was daydreaming about how many boats I could fit in there when I was designing it! One side of the guest house for the workshop and project boats, the other side to store finished ones! At least his garage is filled to the top with vintage and new Blue Oval products! Very impressive collection, but does anyone really need four Boss 429's that will never see the road?
Here in Washington, we just built a 40'x40' shop with 12' ceilings for my brother-in-law. He is a foundation contractor so that part was "free", but he only has $18,000 into it all sheetrocked and stained concrete slab. If they are getting $50k for garages in your area, it may be time for me to move to your area! ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2262&sort=&pagenum=3&yrstart=1925&yrend=1960" rel="nofollow - 59 ATOM Lake Tapps, Wa. |
Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: March-02-2011 at 6:59pm
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I would definitely do the second floor and then do trussed roof system . the one thing i did in mine and would never do without is before the slab pour install radiant tubing. bring it all into a corner. even if you use forced hot air until you can do the radiant (either primary or secondary) its not too much to buy now and install yourself you will be glad its in there when you get older . do the boiler or water heater 5 yrs from now it doesnt matter..oh and dont forget pics when you do it so when you put lift in you know where it is ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: March-02-2011 at 8:42pm
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Fins, I like your idea about 2 sections to the garage. I've been thinking about that myself. Time for a new one where I can just work on them and not worry about bunging up the ones sitting nearby.
Heat's a great idea. When we built mine, I sent the sill sealer back because I never thought I'd want/need to work on boats in the winter. That was before CCF. ------------- |
Posted By: emccallum
Date Posted: March-02-2011 at 9:39pm
| I have a two post asymetrical lift in my shop. Make sure you contact a lift company and get the specs on the lift. Dimensions as well as concrete thickness. Trusses must be high and wide enough, and the garage door should be installed so that it goes as close to the ceiling as possible. You will want to be able to use the lift with the garage door open. You will also need 220 power for the lift. Lots of things to consider, make it as big as possible. A lift takes up a lot of room, and my boat trailer barely makes it between the posts. Too tight a squeeze to be useful. |
Posted By: Tim D
Date Posted: March-02-2011 at 9:42pm
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If you're going with a 24x24, make it 26' wide. A full 2 feet between the garage doors looks better, that's what I did, well I went 26x26. ------------- Tim D |
Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: March-03-2011 at 5:50pm
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any one ever notice when it comes to blogs about bbq,tools,orbuilding projects the postings just pour in? I am so glad to be a man ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: March-04-2011 at 3:09am
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Joel, you have that big compressor, if you dont pick up a few nailers and do this bad boy yourself I will be dissapointed. A detached structure would not be that difficult, hire the slab, keep the roof slope low enough to walk it and you and some buddies should be able to knock out the framing/sheathing in a few days. Should make a great man cave. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: M3Fan
Date Posted: March-04-2011 at 5:45pm
I was thinking the same thing regarding the compressor- elaborate manifold, nailers, etc. We're leaning that way. ------------- 2000 SN GT40 w/99 Graphics/Gel 2016 SN 200 OB 5.3L DI https://forum.fifteenoff.com |
Posted By: levinmark
Date Posted: March-04-2011 at 10:33pm
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I'm demoing our 22x22 next week and going to put up a 26x26. That about as big as I can go with variances and our lot size. Anyway, 26x26 with 9' walls, new concrete install by friends, with the tubes for radiant heating(not installing the tankless heater yet), floor drain and gonna tie in the sewer for a crapper and sink myself, friend wire it up, and were at about $15,000. I'm handy, but I really dont have the time to experiement with building a garage, so that will be contracted to a builder. ------------- levin |
Posted By: farmer
Date Posted: March-04-2011 at 10:37pm
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I built a 24x40 garage with a 24x24 sized downstairs under the back half.The rear of the garage is partitioned off to make a 24x18 heated workshop over the downstairs. The back part is of pole barn construction downstairs with 2x6 insulated walls upstairs for the workshop.The roof has 4/12 pitch (trusses 4ft on center)so it was easy to walk on.I did everything with my dad except the plywood on the roof.A friend came over with his air nailer to take care of that part. I'd like to say it was done in a couple of months but it took the better part of a couple of years part time to finish.Useable after a couple of months but not finished. ------------- Watch your fingers. |
Posted By: dochockey
Date Posted: March-04-2011 at 11:15pm
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Before you do anything have a plan , you know that old sayin fail to plan plan to fail? I'm a contractor in Michigan if your pulling a permit don't be afraid to call the inspector before you start they will be glad to help.
My self I would run all the rough-ins for future add on's now it will save time and money. I'm talking about what has already been said like the man cave stuff water for the bar, cable for multiple tv's, water hot and cold, running big ticket electrical items, lighting, pull down's, radiant floor heat, storage. Its never big enough? ------------- 1989 Teal Ski Nautique 1967 Mustang Harris Float Sunfish |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: March-05-2011 at 12:01am
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A large conduit buried from the house utility area to the garage will allow pulling future electrical,cable, who knows, styro insulation and heavy poly under the slab will stop the floor from seasonal "sweating" your cement guys will hate you for the poly because it is very slippery during the process but it is great long term. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: lfskizzer
Date Posted: March-05-2011 at 12:23am
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My father and myself are building our garage 38x30. It has a 18x10 garage door and a 10x10 door. Upstairs is a 1 bedroom apartment with 12x12 deck out the back. Cathedral cielings in living room and kitchen and bedroom. Den and bathroom are a bit narrower but oh well. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4457 - 2008 Ski Nautique 206 http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2683 - 1985 Ski Nautique 2001 Series |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-05-2011 at 8:59am
Dave, With under slap insulation, the poly vapor barier is not needed. Tape the ridgid insulation seams or go with the tongue & groove. Also, I suggest not wasting money on expanded polystyrene. It's cheap but the R factor really is bad. Go with extruded polystyrene or better yet if you want the max R's, polyisocyanurate. Don't even consider one of the bubble types. Also, don't forget insulating the perimeter of the slab. Inside the outer wall is prefered. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: March-05-2011 at 9:04am
Be carefull with a tankless. They are designed for domestic hot water and are not meant for radiant due to the controls. If you want cheap, go with a standard domestic hot water tank - many do. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: March-05-2011 at 11:43am
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thats right .. and if you use a secondary source such as a hot dawg l.p or nat gas or any forced hot air you can leave the slab at a low set point and use the hot air for a quick blast for the times you are only there for an hr or two Radiant floor when used for primarily floor working comfort is fine at 58 to 63 deg. you will (your feet and knees) will feel like you are in heaven. the operating cost is significantly less used in this fashion ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: farmer
Date Posted: March-05-2011 at 8:41pm
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I use a propane forced hot air "hot dawg" styled heater in my workshop.I set the thermostat at 37deg. when I'm not in there and just bump it up when I need to work in there.It warms up quick. ------------- Watch your fingers. |
Posted By: levinmark
Date Posted: March-05-2011 at 10:42pm
I guess I do sound kinda cheap (I've heard that before), but in reality one friend is an operator who has a concrete buisness on the side with a foreman from his company, his brother is an electrician, and another friend is owner of a plumbing company. He'll provide the radiant set-up and hook me up with the right heater. The only downfall is the one friend who is a homebuilder pissed everyone elso off and is no longer friends with us. Therefore having the construction contracted out. I know we could probably build it ourselves, but everyone is pretty busy now, and I'm a landscaper so I will definetly have no time. Gotta get that boat on the water as much as possible when we can!  ------------- levin |