MC Stars & Stripes
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Printed Date: January-11-2025 at 8:58am
Topic: MC Stars & Stripes
Posted By: Chopper
Subject: MC Stars & Stripes
Date Posted: March-11-2011 at 2:50am
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Guys,
Give me your honest opinion on these. Looking at an option of getting into an old MC S&S around mid 80's vintage. I would much prefer an old CC, but that isn't the option on the table at the moment. It's a pure project and a LOT of stuff is missing. It might actually be a little far gone for my liking. Originality on the rebuild would be difficult. Probably purely slalom use (& tubing). ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1540&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1996&yrend=2000 - 98 Ski |
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Posted By: Nevergrew
Date Posted: March-11-2011 at 3:30am
 You can't help yourself mate !!
Is this the one you provided a trailer for? ------------- |
Posted By: Chopper
Date Posted: March-11-2011 at 3:51am
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Nevergrew,
Cat "may" be out of the bag. I had this feeling you would spot my post & start joing dots. We are just discussing a couple of things. no deals yet & I need another project like I need a hole in the head. Any other "locals" reading please keep this here if you know what I mean. Anyway seeing you posted, what are your thoughts on the MC.? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1540&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1996&yrend=2000 - 98 Ski |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: March-11-2011 at 9:45am
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joing dots? thats a new one..... lol ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: March-11-2011 at 9:56am
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Eric, On this side of the globe it's called connect the dots and they each have a number next to them. You draw a line from 1 to 2 to 3 etc.
When done you have a picture. It's common on kiddie place mats in restuarants. Not so new. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: March-11-2011 at 10:42am
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------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: March-11-2011 at 11:08am
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83 and up is composite, although I've heard some still had problems. ------------- |
Posted By: Swatkinz
Date Posted: March-11-2011 at 11:11am
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Chopper,
I might be one of a few on here that like the MC S&S boats. The early to mid 80s are probably the only MCs I'd ever consider buying. JMO though. I believe they went to all fiberglass construction in 84 or 85. I believe the era you referenced used PCM. Powerslot option a big plus IMO. Great slalom boats. Not a CC though. The following site will have more information. www.tmcowners.com/teamtalk ------------- Steve 2011 Sport/Air 200 Excalibur 343 2017 Boatmate Tandem Axle Trailer Former CC owner (77, 80, 95, 88, all SNs) Former Malibu owner (07, 09) |
Posted By: Donald80SN
Date Posted: March-11-2011 at 2:47pm
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Chooper.
That Team Master Craft Site that Steve spoke about has a forum just about the S & S Boats. Donald |
Posted By: Wacko
Date Posted: March-11-2011 at 3:18pm
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I also looked at the early stars and stripes before purchasing my boat. 1984 is the first year for composite stringers. I love the look of the classic MC's but do not have any personal experience with them.
I do believe however they sit a little lower in the water and therefore not so good if you get caught out in rough water. |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: March-11-2011 at 3:47pm
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I love the ol stars and stripes edition. 83-86 where cool looking. But all around the CC'S are better built and more room I think. And as wacko said, I think they sit to close to the water. I bet they get jealous when they see these CC'S coming by.. If you going looking for one, good luck.. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: Nevergrew
Date Posted: March-11-2011 at 6:53pm
Nah all good mate, secrets safe with me !! Good onya I reckon. Once you get married and have kids all of that free "tinkering" time vanishes, so make the most of it. Know nothing of these boats - sorry. Jasper over on wake is looking at importing one. I believe he has extensively researched them. Maybe PM him |
Chopper wrote:Posted By: Chopper
Date Posted: March-11-2011 at 11:09pm
Eric - it's like "filling in the blanks" "putting 2 & 2 together" etc. Kevin is onto it.
I'm not actively looking for anything, this thing has sort of found me. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1540&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1996&yrend=2000 - 98 Ski |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: March-12-2011 at 12:29am
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I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure 83 was the first year for composite stringers. Although every one calls them Stars and stripes, the boats are actually called Skiers if I remember correctly. The S&S motif ended in 85. By 86 AMF had bought Mastercraft and they had some funky graphics that year. In 87 they introduced the first prostar.
For pre fiberglass stringer models, I have followed some threads on the MC forum. They had some smart design features, including the fact that vent hoses weren't buried in foam like they are in the CCs. I've also seen some threads regarding the swim platforms pulling out. If it happens, you have to cut the back portion of the floor out to repair them. In my opinion, these boats are better ski boats than the CCs of the same period. Wake is flatter and less hard. However, in my opinion, the CC is a much better all around boat. I find the CC to be more comfortable in the driver seat. The CC has more freeboard. The CC handles rough water better, and the CC is a way better wakeboard boat (personally, I'd say don't even waste your time with the MC of that vintage as a wakeboard boat). Well cared for the MCs were also very pretty boats. Generally I think metalflake is better on a bass boat than a ski boat, but some of the MC metalflakes were very nice looking boats. I remember the first time I saw a "Stars and Stripes." I can't be sure, but I think it was 1974 in a red, white and blue color scheme. Really turned your head back then. BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: March-12-2011 at 1:10am
I believe you are right that '83 was the first year for composite stringers. Also, if I am not mistaken, I think that '85 was the last year for the S&S. '86 had the same deck as the previous S&S, but, the hull was a new design. In '87 they used the new for '86 hull, and then added a new deck to that. I personally never cared too much for the low slung deck profile on the '87+ MC's. |
Posted By: Chopper
Date Posted: March-12-2011 at 2:05am
I have my SAN for a wake boat, so it won't fall into the wannabe wake boat catagory. I like the idea of a slalom boat with a hot motor. As I mentioned a while ago, I'd like my next project to be "old school" clasic type thing. I'd much prefer an old CC project any day, but a project "without wood" does have it's appeal. From what I understand it is a 1985 S&S. I'm not too fussed on the look though - kinda ugly in a biassed CC way. Bottom line the only reason I'm thinking about it is cost. To put it into perspective it costs me MINIMUM $5k to ship something from your back yard to mine - be it a hull or a complete boat. Then I have to find the project, get it to a port, add it's costs, then pay tax back here. So even a $500 basket case costs me $6k minimum. This thing is here - Project entry cost is low. Down side is there is a lot missing. No driveline or underwater gear, no gauges, no controls, no salvagible interior. On top of that I'd need to bore you guys with a rebuild on this forum as this is the best site out there.  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1540&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1996&yrend=2000 - 98 Ski |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: March-12-2011 at 10:25am
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BK, is that the same AMF that got involved with Harley? and Brunswick also I believe.
some of those old Master's were some real chin bangers, easy to fall out of the boat ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: March-12-2011 at 2:55pm
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You know Eric I mispoke. Mastercraft was actually bought by Coleman in the 80s. Pretty sure it was AMF that bought American Skier. Yes, same AMF. Didn't work out so well for either. Eventually a group of former MC mangers bought the company back. Ron Tanis a former Exec at American Skier bought that company back as well. It worked out a bit better for the MC guys than for American Skier.
BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |
Posted By: bkhallpass
Date Posted: March-12-2011 at 2:59pm
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Also I confirmed that 83 was MCs first year of composite stringers. Confirmed that DavidG is correct on the 86. Same top cap as 85 but some changes in the hull. And, of course, 86 had the funky "rainbow" graphic. Further changes to hull and a new deck in 87.
BKH ------------- Livin' the Dream |