gel coat?
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Category: Repairs and Maintenance
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Topic: gel coat?
Posted By: bbishop1974
Subject: gel coat?
Date Posted: May-19-2011 at 4:16pm
| i purchased 86' silver nautique last year for cheap knowing all of the black gel was going to need to be re done.the boat has severe cracking/peeling/blistering below waterline.i have had major gel/glass work done in the past and know its not cheap.the glass guy is telling me that due to the severe osmosis in the bottom he is going to have to cut 1/8"of glass out of bottom and re-lay w/vynelester resin.this is going to probably put this project beyond my budget and worth of this boat.has anyone encountered this problem and resolved it in a less expensive manner? |
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-19-2011 at 4:25pm
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Brien,
He's correct on the process but if you what to go all the way, epoxy first, then vinylester finished off with the polyester gel. Putting the $$$ into it will be up to you. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: bhectus
Date Posted: May-20-2011 at 1:47am
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Brian, if you decide to sell, check the Orlando Craigslist listings under boats. There is a guy desperately seeking to buy a Silver right now. ------------- '02 Ski Nautique 196 w/ 5.7 Apex bowtie - Sold '87 Barefoot - sold '97 Super Sport Nautique - originally custom built for Walt Meloon '97 Ski Nautique '83 SN 2001 |
Posted By: bbishop1974
Date Posted: May-20-2011 at 12:11pm
| hi pete,i was hoping for your input.have you ever gone through the process?could a inexperienced restorer pull it off?meaning myself,thanks |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: May-20-2011 at 9:54pm
Sounds like a good candidate for paint . . . sorry Pete! ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
bbishop1974 wrote:Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-20-2011 at 10:02pm
Chris, That's ok BUT, you can't just paint over bad gel!! It's got to come off just the same as doing a re gel! But, we have seen some people try!!!  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-20-2011 at 10:07pm
Brian, I have not had to go that far but a close friend up north does. I've see what he has had to go through!!! Here on site, the last person who did it was Gary (farmer). That side tracked into a thread on his modification to make a tool to cut down the old gel. The last time I went looking for his re gel thread, he had removed all the pictures from Photobucket!  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: gun-driver
Date Posted: May-20-2011 at 10:34pm
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Pete he may still have the pic’s. The same happened to my stringer thread.
What I found is after you post if you then move the pic’s in your photo bucket to let’s say to a different album. They will then show that the image has been moved in the thread. |
Posted By: bbishop1974
Date Posted: May-22-2011 at 11:45pm
iam really torn on this one.sounds like about $9k to have bottom professionally done  .at this point i would consider selling if anyone was intersted or if someone would like share their experience if they have gone through this process feel free to email me bbishop1974@hotmail.com
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Posted By: wakeboardin2k4
Date Posted: May-23-2011 at 2:15am
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Rookie question....why can't you gel over osmosis? ------------- "I'm planning to bring my girl that rides on a trailer with me and leave my girl that complains about camping at home" |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-23-2011 at 9:13am
Eric, You can but it's hard to be sure there still isn't moisture in the resin that caused the problem the first time. The blisters may come back in the same and or different spots. It has happened with "quick and dirty" gel repairs. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: wakeboardin2k4
Date Posted: May-23-2011 at 10:41am
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Thanks Pete!
I get what you're saying. My next question is what is to be done about gelcoat that cracks on the deck of a boat before spraying new gel? Will those same cracks come back? Sorry Brian, not trying to pull the focus away from your great Silver Project! I hope something works out for you to keep it and get the work done for less money!!! ------------- "I'm planning to bring my girl that rides on a trailer with me and leave my girl that complains about camping at home" |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-23-2011 at 11:30am
Eric, The glass below the gel is the structure of the hull and needs repair before new gel goes down. The cracks would come back. They must be routed out and filled. A epoxy fill is best. Depending on the area and the size of the stress crack, reinforcement on the bottom side of the deck may be needed. After the epoxy fill of the routed out areas, then a polyvinyl must be put down before the gel. The gel (polyester) won't stick to epoxy but a polyvinyl will and in turn the gel will stick to it. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: May-23-2011 at 12:28pm
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IMHO, for deck repairs I feel you are wasting time with expoy step. The ultimate bond is till going to include a poly product and the water issues are not there. So for the original posters below waterline issues I would in fact remove gel, remove glass, at least one layer of epoxy matt, then a vinylester layer then fair, primer, fair, gel, sand, wetsand, buff, etc.
But for the deck stress cracks remove gel, repair the underlying damage, (using a good poly/vinyl product), then it is fair, sand, primer, sand, gel patch, sand, wetsand, buff.. Story of my life lately all very labor intensive but not rocketscience if one wants to get real comfortable in a respirator.. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-23-2011 at 12:52pm
Joe, So now we do know you've been working on something!! You're keeping very quite on it though! When's the big surprise?  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: May-23-2011 at 1:01pm
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As it is not mine and not a correctcraft there is no surprise around the corner. But yeah I am pretty deep into an early 70's I/o ...if I ever finish it I will take pictures ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: May-23-2011 at 1:45pm
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Brian, I just saw that you listed the boat for sale on CL. Shoot me an email if you dont mind- Im curious how bad the gel is: TRBenj@gmail.com ------------- |
Posted By: bbishop1974
Date Posted: May-23-2011 at 4:40pm
| hi tim,i'll try to email some pictures.i am computer illiterate so bear with me.it is very bad,i ran it for last 3 weeks and quarter size peices popped off everywhere[hundreds] |
Posted By: bbishop1974
Date Posted: May-23-2011 at 11:38pm
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Posted By: bbishop1974
Date Posted: May-23-2011 at 11:40pm
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Posted By: wakeboardin2k4
Date Posted: May-23-2011 at 11:55pm
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Flip that old girl over and break out the belt sander ------------- "I'm planning to bring my girl that rides on a trailer with me and leave my girl that complains about camping at home" |
Posted By: bbishop1974
Date Posted: May-24-2011 at 12:00am
| doing a little research and cant find anything about gel coat cutter.sounds like sandblasting could be a option.any opinoins on that? |
Posted By: BFNSport
Date Posted: May-25-2011 at 1:54am
I too will need to do gel coat removal on my boat. The 2 tools that I have found are: Gelplane some were around $2,000 Paint Shaver $800-600 but have found several used ones for around $400-350 The Gelplane is awesome works well on contours. The Paint Shaver is an angle grinder with a carbide tool holder; it looks like it would work well on flat surfaces but contours would be difficult. Both have what I feel is the most important feature chip / dust collection built right in to the unit. Hooks up to a shop vac. I found a Paint shaver locally used. The seller said he would meet me that would be great I would like to try it before I buy it if he is ok with it.(on my little speed boat project) Oh if searching use "gelcoat peeler" ------------- 2002 CC Ski Nautique 1988 CC Barefoot Nautique |
Posted By: wakeboardin2k4
Date Posted: May-25-2011 at 2:18am
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Willing to rent it after you're done!! ------------- "I'm planning to bring my girl that rides on a trailer with me and leave my girl that complains about camping at home" |
Posted By: BFNSport
Date Posted: May-25-2011 at 2:42am
Yes,But not sure how much of a time saver it will be for my application. But after grinding on my boat there has to be a better way.I think a planner style machine like the Gelplane or the Paint Shaver is the only safe economical solution.I would like to restore more boats in the future and one of these types of tools would make it much more enjoyable. I would like to find out about this tool that someone was trying to make... ------------- 2002 CC Ski Nautique 1988 CC Barefoot Nautique |
Posted By: bbishop1974
Date Posted: May-25-2011 at 12:20pm
| the glass guy who quoted my boat said if i were to grind the bottom of my boat he would not touch it as it would make a mess.definitly would like to find a peeler. |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: May-25-2011 at 12:58pm
keep skiing! ------------- |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: May-25-2011 at 2:59pm
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Thats some scary stuff- Ive never seen gel so far gone! Like HW said though, its not going to bother the functionality of the boat- Id keep running it until you had the time to fix it. ------------- |
Posted By: bbishop1974
Date Posted: May-26-2011 at 2:56pm
| now iam thinking of keeping it and doing the whole thing myself.i took 4 pages of notes on tim's bfn rebuild and joe's sn.i want to go all composite.as for ripping now,the stringers are rotted and i dont want to push it,i got the 05' for daily abuse. |
Posted By: BFNSport
Date Posted: May-27-2011 at 3:13pm
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Ok,
I just got a rough quote to peel my 88BFN $400-600 And done on site. For comparisin he did a 19'Boston Whaler with several gelcoats and bottom paint and it was $600.He thoought without looking mine would be around the $400 mark.He is coming to look at it Tuesday.I will keep you posted. Jeff ------------- 2002 CC Ski Nautique 1988 CC Barefoot Nautique |
Posted By: bbishop1974
Date Posted: May-28-2011 at 6:39pm
| wow,that sounds like a sweet deal.please let us know how it goes.thanks |