76 southwind 19 transmission
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Topic: 76 southwind 19 transmission
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Subject: 76 southwind 19 transmission
Date Posted: May-19-2011 at 11:14pm
| I'm just getting started on putting my 1976 southwind together. Bought from a guy who tried to replace the 318 in it with a truck motor. I am going to pick up a running clockwise rotation complete 225 chrysler. It has a paragon 1:1 on it currently. I'm wondering if I should swap it out with the velvet drive I currently have in my boat or should I go the easy route and drop this whole thing in as is? I'm the son of an old truck mechanic so in my world if it isn't an allison product, borg warner is the next best. I'm new to this so let me know!!! |
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Posted By: charger496
Date Posted: May-20-2011 at 1:22am
| The least complicated route would be to repower it with a similar engine to what it had; a small block mopar. A slant 6 is a bulletproof motor, but a Southwind isn't a small hull. If you want it to get out of it's own way, go bigger, not smaller. Either rotation 318 is available, and it will bolt up to your current trans. While you're at it, go bigger and put a 360 in there! Nobody regrets going bigger. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-20-2011 at 8:43am
David, I feel Scott above is referring to the 318 but wasn't very clear. The 318 is 225 HP. Scott, Starting with a a "truck" block was a good choice. Hopefully he swapped all the marine components. Did he reverse the rotation as well? What's the matter with that engine build requiring you to look for another engine? Yes, I'd use the Velvet drive. How about some pictures! Welcome to CCfan. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
charger496 wrote:Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: May-20-2011 at 9:38am
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yes too, on the Velvet ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: May-20-2011 at 10:58am
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Well, thanks for the feedback. To be a little more clear, the boat came with a 318 stock. The motor was not winterized. The guy I got it from tried to install a truck engine as a short block. He ditched the marine block! He then realized the motor turned the wrong way. So now I have a nice short block truck engine with marine heads,alternator, starter ect...
Instead of going through a complete rebuild to make the truck motor turn the right way I've found a nice running takeout of a repowered cabin cruiser from lake eerie,$600.It's an electronic ignition 318 clockwise rotation engine. It's almost the exact setup that came in the boat stock. It will basically be a drop in replacement. The big difference is that it has a paragon 1:1 transmission. I'm new to inboards and I had a feeling the velvet drive would be a better way to transmit power. Here is a pic of the new engine. I'll get some pics of the boat and the original correct craft trailer its setting on as soon as I get it out of storage. Hopefully I'll get the chrome skull off the throttle and the bad boy club stickers off the transom before I show it off. BTW any idea on where to get the stainless pins to the engine compartment hinges???? 
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Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: May-20-2011 at 11:00am
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Forgot to mention. My father in law is going to take the truck engine and put it in a 72 dodge 2500 camper special he has out in oklahoma. So we'll even have an authentic tow vehicle! ------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-20-2011 at 11:24am
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Scott,
Eric our trans expert. He at one time worked for Paragon and is now in the business of marine trans's so take his confirmation of using the Velvet seriously. You are mistaken on the "truck" block being different than "marine" block. I highly recommend you stick to a RR engine. Use all the RR components off the frozen block and do the conversion. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-20-2011 at 11:34am
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Scott,
If you have any detailed questions on the trans, I'm sure Eric would be happy to talk. He's helped many here. Here's his web site: http://fantasticfinishmarine.net/ - Fantastic Finish Marine ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: May-20-2011 at 11:54am
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The block that came in the boat, went to the scrapyard a year before I picked up the boat. So it and all the internals, INCLUDING THE CAM! are probably part of a Toyota by now. SO FRUSTRATING! I've been posting on forums and picking the brains of a lot of old Chrysler guys. I know some of differences between the marine and automotive engines. The blocks are the same but obviously the cam and distributors(at least the cam gear) are different. Brass freeze plugs, and the biggest thing I don't want to deal with is the pistons have to be switched around to deal with the piston slap in the opposite direction. This engine I'm purchasing is a reverse rotation as well. I've checked the serial number with a Chrysler manual to confirm this. I appreciate all the feedback. I'm surely going to keep the velvet drive and try and sell the paragon. Thanks for all the help. You guys who have dealt with this before are keeping my fumbling around to a minimum.
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: May-20-2011 at 12:00pm
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Scott,
It sounds like you have a good plan. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Salty
Date Posted: May-23-2011 at 1:19pm
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From one Southwind guy to another - welcome!
Sounds like you have it all figured out - go with the reverse rotation and the Velvet drive and it will bolt right up. Can't wait to see some picks of the hull! Post em soon! Dave ------------- Salty 2018 GS22 with Z4 2008 Ski Nautique 206 w/Factory Tower, EX343 SOLD 1978 Southwind 18 w/GM305, upgraded 4 barrel intake & carb, all original - vinyl & carpet, etc. [URL=http://s328.photobucket.com |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: May-23-2011 at 1:40pm
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I might get some pics today. You guys on this forum are great! I just arrived home from ohio last night with the new power plant. Started right up with a jump of the relay. I have to crank my truck over longer to get it to run. Hopefully this week we'll be able pull the automotive ballast I have bolted to my stringers out of the boat. Then will come inspecting the stringers. Should I feel sick to my stomach when I say that? I'm a lineman by trade and a wrench turner by genetics so any type of wood and fiberglass work makes me cringe. Advice and fatherly encouragement from the experienced is welcome! ------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |
Posted By: 79TiqueRebuild
Date Posted: May-23-2011 at 11:16pm
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[ BTW any idea on where to get the stainless pins to the engine compartment hinges????]
Not quite sure what you are wanting but I got some for my 79 from http://www.mcmaster.com/#pins/=cfp3qi - Mcmaster-carr A great source I think Pete suggested it and They have everything and reasonable shipping also. Gook Luck on your project. Monty |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: May-24-2011 at 12:48am
Thanks Monty and Pete. That is a great site. I need pins for my stainless hinges. Here are some pics of my progress in disassembly. One standard rotation engine on the way out and a reverse rotation on its way home!   <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/VwxN0DeQS7A?hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/VwxN0DeQS7A?hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>and a video of me buying the RR.------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: May-24-2011 at 1:00am
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------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: May-24-2011 at 1:04am
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Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: May-24-2011 at 1:06am
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%20 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwxN0DeQS7A ------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: May-24-2011 at 1:08am
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Sorry about all the dumb replies I've been trying to link a video of my engine running at the time of purchase...You can copy and paste the link above if your interested. ------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: May-24-2011 at 1:17am
Here ya go 
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Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: May-24-2011 at 1:37am
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Big thanks! ------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: May-24-2011 at 3:16pm
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Did you change your screen name or did you buy your Southwind from 'surfnturf'?
http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19196 - Surfnturf's Southwind I do think he's correct when he referred to it as a '72 though- a '76 would have had a few different details. I checked that boat out in Plaistow, NH a few years ago. The lady selling it also had a '81 Ski Nautique that I ended up dragging home. ------------- |
Posted By: Keeganino
Date Posted: May-24-2011 at 6:32pm
I like how the camera man almost lost the camera when that sucker fired up!  I know it was loud!------------- "working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4897" rel="nofollow - 1973 Skier |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: May-24-2011 at 7:01pm
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It is the same boat. Surfnturf is my father in law. He is the one running the backhoe in these pics. I'll have to investigate further the age of the boat. We're in the midst of changing the transmissions onto our new engine and have a lot of rust behind the flywheel on this new engine. Does this sound like a blown freeze plug? Or is it a case of the bilge being run full of water? The engine was from a chris craft and sat below deck. ------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: May-24-2011 at 7:04pm
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BTW the camera man is my lovely lady and she was holding the leash's of our two dogs, they ran for the hills and kind of took her with them. ------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: May-25-2011 at 3:04pm
Gotcha, that makes sense. Id say '72 is pretty close on the year- Id stick with that story until you get the chance to run the hull ID with the factory. Glad to see you making some progress- you guys are getting closer! Hopefully you lose all the skulls though, ha. Rust in the bellhousing is normal- its not sealed from the bilge, really. Id clean it up as best you can and reassemble. Dont forget to install a new damper plate! Do a search on here- get the Sachs brand (its cheaper AND higher quality). ------------- |
Posted By: surfnturf
Date Posted: May-29-2011 at 4:21pm
Hay Politicallycorrect, Lets get the engine in. By the way everyone we have the trans all hooked up and fired the engine with water and all sounds and looks good. Watch out lake here we come!!! Well I guess we have a little more to do. surfnturf  ------------- Feather and Correct Craft Boater |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: May-29-2011 at 4:35pm
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Welcome surfnturf and politicallycorrect. I am glad to see you guys saving an old Southwind. I have a '76, and really like it. I would be interested to see what year it turns out to be.
I know the predecessor to the Southwind was the Freeport. Same design, but maybe a few tweaks to the hull and deck. I have been trying to figure out when the Southwind made its official appearance in the CC lineup. According to the Reference section here on CCF, the first year that references the SW nameplate was '73. However, I suspect it may have been '71, or more than likely '72. Anyway, great boat, and good luck with your engine. Now, I have to get back to getting mine ready for the water. |
Posted By: surfnturf
Date Posted: May-30-2011 at 1:50am
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I have loaded picks refore but I can't remember how. Someone give my brain a little hint. I have engine picks. ------------- Feather and Correct Craft Boater |
Posted By: johnstonad
Date Posted: May-30-2011 at 4:00am
Welcome man. I am also new on that. I hope that you can put that southwind together with it. :D |