Southwind stringers.
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Topic: Southwind stringers.
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Subject: Southwind stringers.
Date Posted: June-19-2011 at 10:53pm
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Well we have the engine pretty much straightened out.Still got to chase down a vacuum leak.Got into the bilge and cut out the glass around the main stringers where the lags had gone in. I'll get some pics for you guys later. Well low and behold they are still holding together but are completely soaked. The foam around them seems to be full of water as well. Go figure a correct craft retaining water. Before I commit my father in law and myself into a summer of fiberglass and woodwork I'm wondering if anybody has documented a stringer job on a southwind 20? The main stringers are well below the secondarys with the deep v it has. The hull is still straight on this boat and would love to give her another 40 years. ------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |
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Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: June-20-2011 at 10:59am
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No one has documented a Southwind rebuild, as far as I know- but there have been several Barefoot Nautique rebuilds. Since the BFN was born from the SW hull, the construction should be VERY similar. BuffaloBFN, The Grinch, HasbeenSkier and myself have all documented BFN rebuilds on here... the search feature is your friend! ------------- |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: June-20-2011 at 9:00pm
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I have seen those threads. And some mighty fine work I must say. I was hoping to see a southwind gutted to get an idea of what the proper configuration should be as a reference when I pull the floor up. The controls and wiring on our southwind is run under the starboard gunwale under the floor and through the starboard secondary into the bilge. Is this right? The secondary is rotten from there back about three feet. The glass there looks like it has been patched and is completely hollow. I'm still waiting on the factory to get a history on our boat. I'll soon see if a 318 was what this boat came with. If not, I'm thinking if we're going to take the plunge on stringers...and it is the older sister of a BFN...why not put a Big Block in her!! ------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-20-2011 at 9:57pm
Scott, When you pull the floor, just make sue you get plenty of pictures and get the tape measure out!
I'm sure glad you're planning on a complete stringer job!!! 
Don't count on detailed info from the factory. A non original engine? How dare you!!  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
politicallycorrect wrote:Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: June-21-2011 at 9:05am
That sounds the same as my BFN. You may see a few things that were updated/improved in the BFN threads, and I don't see any issue with improvements like that. I can say that your hull goes back even to the Freeport. This is a '68.  ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: connorssons
Date Posted: June-21-2011 at 9:22am
Good morning! hay I know that freeport Its just getting ready to be put on the cradle to go under the knife  we have the glass floor section removed looks pretty much like my separator. the diff is your southwind is direct drive and the freeport is a v drive, good luck, Ill be watching jeff
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Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: June-21-2011 at 10:20am
Woo Hoo! After seeing the level of your work on the Seperator, I think it'll be the classic wakeboard ride my bud always wanted it to be. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: June-21-2011 at 11:10am
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Uhhh Greg, Is there something you aren't telling us? Is that ANOTHER pumpkin patch parked next to the BFN? ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: June-21-2011 at 2:22pm
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See above^^^ That's Jeff's boat now. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: June-22-2011 at 7:38pm
Sure does look familiar, right down to the aluminum rub rail. Does the freeport have that shelf running down the length of the boat? ------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: June-22-2011 at 7:47pm
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Got some time to do some dismantling on the southwind today. I've got to say I'm very impressed with whomever came up with the brilliant idea to attach the side covers running the length of the boat to plywood blocks screwed right to the floors with sheet rock screws. At least the carpet is now up and the real fun is soon to begin! ------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |
Posted By: Salty
Date Posted: June-22-2011 at 8:42pm
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Would love to see pictures. If I can find carpet that matches my original I too will disassemble! ------------- Salty 2018 GS22 with Z4 2008 Ski Nautique 206 w/Factory Tower, EX343 SOLD 1978 Southwind 18 w/GM305, upgraded 4 barrel intake & carb, all original - vinyl & carpet, etc. [URL=http://s328.photobucket.com |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: June-26-2011 at 9:50pm
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Any thoughts on white oak instead of douglas fir on a stringer job? It'll be a lot easier to find here in vermont.
Scott ------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-26-2011 at 10:38pm
Fine except for the weight. Not needed. Look at the LVL alternate. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: June-27-2011 at 12:47am
Laminate eh? Cost will be a huge factor in deciding the wood species. I plan on making some calls on materials tomorrow before I go back to taking things apart. I'm disgusted at the previous floor job that has been done in this boat! ------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-27-2011 at 9:09am
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http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9503&KW=lvl&PN=1&title=85-2001-floor-project-w-plans-lvl-stringer-is-in - Thread on LVL stringers ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: June-28-2011 at 1:27am
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Got a line on douglas fir. Looks likes that will be the material. Lvl is looking like double the cost. Got most of the hardware out of the way and once I get back in the boat with a shop vac I'll post some pics of what she looks like minus the leaves and detritus. Someone has really put some time into restoring a boat the wrong way. It involves glassing over an existing floor with no sanding. Drilling screws into said floor to mount seats. The best is the funky 70's style contact paper used under the front of the boat and the shelves on the gunwales. Safe to say this forum was not around when this work was completed. ------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-28-2011 at 9:13am
That "funky" 70's contact paper may be OE!! CC used some fake wood grain on particle board back in those days!!  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: June-28-2011 at 10:53am
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It isn't wood grain. It is applied directly to the glass. I'll get some pics of it. The shelves under the gunwales, where it is applied, the surface under the contact paper, is a textured fiberglass kind of like the diamond like patterns found on a modern fiberglass swim platform or stairs. Looks like that was the original finish. Wherever it came from it is torn, stained and pulling up. It has to go. ------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: July-17-2011 at 11:53pm
One week of boating(in a glastron  )One week surgery recovery, One week of working like a slave...finally got back to work on the southwind.
Got some pre-cut pictures...will get some post after I get a shopvac bag to get rid of all the dust... 
this is what happens when you put cloth on top of gel(thank you horrible boat repairman of years past) 
this is the funky contact paper 
should I be concerned about the strut bolts being all out of whack? what is the deal with the wood in front of the strut mount? 
What I've learned today is...never glass to gel...sistering to rotting wood makes more rotten wood. If the secondaries weren't trashed so bad i'd have my mopar mounted up and be enjoying a engine double the size of the b20 in the glastron and wait till winter for the rest...It is scary with the amount of mud the secondaries made. ------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |
Posted By: Keeganino
Date Posted: July-18-2011 at 1:47am
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Stringer pudding eh! I know all about that. When I started digging into my stringers I thought they were wet but solid, till they thawed out! Then they just turned to pudding. This will be a cool project. ------------- "working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4897" rel="nofollow - 1973 Skier |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: July-25-2011 at 11:44pm
Well I got back to cutting out the floor for a couple hours yesterday. Man it is amazing how much water is at the bottom of the foam and how much foam is actually in here. This is the only pic that I've got to size to post. You can see where the stringer should be but was completely rotted away. It appears the water was coming from the tunnel under the floor to the bilge for the controls.
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Posted By: vondy
Date Posted: July-26-2011 at 11:18am
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The wood in front of the strut mount looks to be for a bilge pump. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4645&sort=&pagenum=1 - 69 Mustang HM |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-26-2011 at 11:25am
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Scott,
That "funky contact paper" is vinyl wall covering. It's OEM and very common to that era of boat. CC used it mostly for floor covering. There are threads here about sourcing it for those who what to keep their boat original. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: July-26-2011 at 8:36pm
Makes sense since the bilge pump was missing when I bought the boat. ------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: July-26-2011 at 8:52pm
Good to know Pete. Do you think that the floor was originally covered in the same type of vinyl? Some PO added carpet but I'd like to keep the interior close to original as practical. Once I'm finally putting things back together I'm planning on a no foam floor. The design of this boat has a void in the gunwales from the shelf to the floor the whole length of the boat. Would it make any sense to add foam in this area? ------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |
Posted By: jlagrow
Date Posted: July-31-2011 at 1:35pm
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Hey Scott- I put some pics up on Seth's Idaho restore. I too started out with the no foam plan but now have decided to foam. My plan is to seal it up good so water can not get into foam filled cavities. I know there is pros and cons to both foam and no foam. I just like the sound deading, added ruggitty (sp?) and something I hope I will never ops check- flotation. I increase the cooling air tubes to 4" and made them out of thin wall pipe. JOHN ------------- 1976 Southwind 20 open |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: July-31-2011 at 2:14pm
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in the one pic, you look like a hazmat guy cleaning up a nuke site...you from Japan? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-31-2011 at 2:31pm
Scott, Yes, I'd say CC originally used the vinyl wall covering on your floor. There are several threads on using the stuff and trying to find it. You best bet is to go to a decent wall covering store and look through their samples of vinyl wall covering. It is available in several different weights. Lean towards the heavier stuff. It did hold up very well for the floor covering. Since you are going no foam, it really does not make sense to fill that void below the shelves. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: August-01-2011 at 9:47pm
No, but my eyes got pretty squinty with all dust cutting out the floor. ------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: August-01-2011 at 9:57pm
I saw the pics and the woodwork is looking great. I haven't pulled out much foam yet but I've found a couple of inches of water where i've removed it so far. I don't want it coming back. What is the tube running down the port side next to the bilge?That is the only part of the floor I haven't ripped up yet. I'm jealous of your open bow, but man I'm glad I didn't have to cut the deck to get at the stringers! What do you have for a powerplant in your boat? Scott ------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: August-01-2011 at 10:00pm
Just a thought for floation without having foam under the floor to hold water. ------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |
Posted By: jlagrow
Date Posted: August-02-2011 at 1:04am
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Hey Scott,
The tube on the port side is for an addition blower I'm adding to assist in pulling air through the motorbox. At higher speeds the two 4 inch tube coming in along with the two aft tube vents should work well. This added blower is more for lower speeds like no wake zones and so on. She"ll still have the aft original blower set up. The switch on the panel will now be three positon one/off/both. Cheap little mod I thought would be fun to experiment with. I plan on having the blower and plumbing in the boat this week so I 'll post a pic then. I saw Keegan do something similar. JOHN ------------- 1976 Southwind 20 open |
Posted By: jlagrow
Date Posted: August-02-2011 at 1:07am
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Scott,
350 Chevy JOHN ------------- 1976 Southwind 20 open |
Posted By: dwcar
Date Posted: August-03-2011 at 1:37am
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jlagrow,
email me please. I have some questions about your restore dwcar@yahoo.com ------------- 83Ski |
Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: February-04-2012 at 11:19pm
Been lacking the time and the ambition to really get working on the Southwind. Other projects as well
Got into her pretty good for a couple of days 
For those riding around in these old v hulls that haven't had stringer jobs, even with all the foam still left in her my receipt at the transfer station was 520 lbs. All from the foam... ------------- Skin grows back...fiberglass doesn't!! |
Posted By: connorssons
Date Posted: February-05-2012 at 3:55am
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Nice cessna! looks to be a 1960 model 150, great little airplanes. I owned a 1970 150 aerobat for a while when i lived in Ohio, wish i kept her was a cool old bird. i soloed in a piper tomahawk, love the cessnas! more info on the old girl!
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Posted By: politicallycorrect
Date Posted: February-05-2012 at 11:07am
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