78 Correct Craft Southwind Engines
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Topic: 78 Correct Craft Southwind Engines
Posted By: samuelclutter
Subject: 78 Correct Craft Southwind Engines
Date Posted: June-23-2011 at 1:37am
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I just bought a 78 Correct Craft Southwind today and I am unsure of what motor it has in it. I believe it is a Chevy due to the placement of the distributor, but am not sure of displacement. Does anyone know what engines were offered for this boat? Also, The id plate next to the drivers seat states it is a southwind 20', but the decals say southwind 18'. Is this common? Thanks for your help.
Sam |
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Posted By: Salty
Date Posted: June-23-2011 at 2:46am
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Typically you will see either the Chevy 350 or the 305. Earlier models were OMC but later models were Mercruiser.
The lenght can be confirmed on thE hull id located on the upper right corner of the transom just under the rub rail. Were did you pick up your Southwind? Welcome to the site! We love pictures! ------------- Salty 2018 GS22 with Z4 2008 Ski Nautique 206 w/Factory Tower, EX343 SOLD 1978 Southwind 18 w/GM305, upgraded 4 barrel intake & carb, all original - vinyl & carpet, etc. [URL=http://s328.photobucket.com |
Posted By: samuelclutter
Date Posted: June-23-2011 at 2:50am
| Thanks! I figured it would be either a 302 or 350, but I am not seeing any other markings or ID plates on the engine to confirm displacement. Thanks for the welcome. I found it in western PA. It is in good shape with only minor wintertime repairs and was also the right price. I am excited to get this old girl out on the water and also do some restoration in the wintertime. |
Posted By: samuelclutter
Date Posted: June-23-2011 at 2:51am
| I meant 305. I was thinking ford motors again with the 302. |
Posted By: Salty
Date Posted: June-26-2011 at 12:38pm
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Pictures please!!! Its not too often there is another Southwind thread here! ------------- Salty 2018 GS22 with Z4 2008 Ski Nautique 206 w/Factory Tower, EX343 SOLD 1978 Southwind 18 w/GM305, upgraded 4 barrel intake & carb, all original - vinyl & carpet, etc. [URL=http://s328.photobucket.com |
Posted By: sam57
Date Posted: June-26-2011 at 1:39pm
| I think the Southwinds were great boats having had several of them over the years. All of my Southwinds were 20 footers both bow rider and closed bow models, some with OMC Chryslers and 350 Chevy Mercruisers, but most had the 351 PCM Ford engines. I understand some Southwinds even had Io's and jet drives, but I've never seen any. |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: June-26-2011 at 6:00pm
| I have to agree with you guys. I think the Southwind is a very versatile and unique boat, but I may be biased:). Regarding engines, I think they may be underpowered with the 351's, especially if they are carrying any ballast (as in wet foam) and a full load of people/gear. I would love to try the open bow model with a 454 in it. I plan to put an ACME 542 on mine which will help the hole shot. With the deep V hull, the wakeboarding wake is also decent, but, the slalom wake is pretty rough on the kidneys. |
Posted By: sam57
Date Posted: June-26-2011 at 11:46pm
| I've gotta think there are a few Southwinds that came with 454 engines. After all, a Southwind 20, a Barefoot 19, and a Martinique 19 had the same hull with a different deck and the 454 was available in the Barefoot and the Martinique. Let me clarify, I'm referring to the 81-83 19 Martinique, not the 20 Regal with the Correct Craft name plates. Being a low production company, I would think Correct Craft would put any engine in any hull to make a sale. I personally had a 76 Southwind 20 with a 351 Cleveland Commander. Some people on this site said it couldn't be, but I had it just the same. |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: June-27-2011 at 12:42am
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Richard.....Correct Craft sure did put 454's in the Southwind Open Bow's, and possibly the 20. I was tracking an '82 Open Bow down in Missouri, but, it looks like it sold. I think that was a fairly rare option, but, they are out there.
Also, I found your comment interesting about the Regal with the CC nameplate. I had always heard that Correct Craft did that on one model back in the 80's. Which model are you referring to? I had always thought it was the '87-'89 Martinique, but, Ken Meloon told me last year at GL that the Martinique was a CC design and mfg by them as well. That model sure looks a lot like a Celebrity or Regal of the same vintage in my opinion. Lastly, regarding the Cleveland engine, it was only built by Ford from '70-'74. Are you sure your engine was Cleveland? I would bet you a cold beer it was a Windsor. But, I have been wrong before 
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Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-27-2011 at 12:47am
Yes, I'm one of them and just waiting for the others to comment!! Proof is needed!!! Who's mainization??? Sam, Are you the same that just went to the boat show with Eric and Randy? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
sam57 wrote:Posted By: sam57
Date Posted: June-27-2011 at 1:28am
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Yes, I'm the Sam who went to the boat show with Eric and Randy and I know a lot more about Chris Crafts than I do about Correct Crafts.
The 351 Cleveland in my 76 Southwind was a Commander with a leaking intake manifold. I bought an aluminum Edlebrock from Summit and found it to be too narrow for the space between the heads. Summit said it must be a Cleveland or at least a 302 with the boss heads. I contacted the previous owner who said he was told it was a Cleveland engine but couldn't supply any more information. The correct intake was more expensive so I got the original repaired, kept the boat a few months and sold it. The Correct Craft/Regal I'm referring to would be the 20 ft. 87-89 Martinique/Riviera/Cuddy. I would doubt Correct Craft would admit to such shenanigans as it would open them up to lots of lawsuits from owners who thought they were buying Correct Crafts. I also once looked a 23 ft. Correct Craft that looked a lot like a Regal or a Wellcraft. It was a PCM straight inboard which Regal never made in that size and had Correct Craft nameplates, serial #'s and title. Sam |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: June-27-2011 at 2:40am
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Sam....sorry for calling you Richard, but thats what your profile indicated your name was. I was curious about the Sam57 and your name was Richard. Just keeping us on our toes:).
Anyway, I think you are right about the Regal/Martinique connection. To me, the Martinique just does not look like a Correct Craft design. Its a good looking boat, and very practical. I had an '87 a few years back. Also, I am wondering if your Cleveland could have been an re-power? I doubt the factory ever put Clevelands in the boats. I have never seen one anyway. |
Posted By: horkn
Date Posted: June-27-2011 at 4:32am
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Sam, there was more of a chance of it being a clevor (cleveland heads on a windsor block) than it being a cleveland. Even then, something sounds off.
As far as a 351 being underpowered for a southwind, there is nothing saying it has to only be 240 hp. ;) 454s of that era only had like 330 hp. Iknow pcm marinized 460s as well, but I have not seen a cc with one in it. ------------- 78 martinique- refloored, reinforced, stringers re glassed, re engineered interior GT40P heads Edelbrock Performer intake acme 4 blade http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/horkn/fish/nautique.jpg |
Posted By: sam57
Date Posted: June-27-2011 at 1:01pm
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I'm not a mechanic, so I don't really know what the engine in my 76 Southwind was. I can only go by the information supplied to me by others.
Didn't mean to cause any confusion. My name is Richard Samoila and I started using Sam many years ago for restaurant reservations rather than having to spell my last name several times for stupid reservationists. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-27-2011 at 1:17pm
Sam, I've got the 2010 ACBS directory here at work and the current 2011 is at home. I don't see you listed in the 2010. If you haven't joined, you should think about it. Any wood boats in your history? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Irydslow
Date Posted: April-05-2012 at 1:14am
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I'm trying to resurrect my 1978 Southwind 20. It's been sitting for a few years. I've always had a difficult time finding engine parts for it, but after seeing all of the confusion about what engine is in these boats, it starts to make sense why finding parts is so difficult...Mine has a decal on top of the air filter that says "351 Pleasurecraft"... ------------- 78 Correct Craft Southwind 20 |
Posted By: kapla
Date Posted: April-05-2012 at 1:26am
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most likely you have a 351 windsor ford engine.... ------------- <a href="">1992 ski nautique |
Posted By: 74Wind
Date Posted: April-05-2012 at 2:23am
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Great to see some Southwind talk.......... There was a wide variety of Southwind engines. I have a 74 Southwind 18 with Thermo-Electron 351. My brother has an older Southwind 20 with a Chrysler 225(hp). If you look in the Reference section, printed right on the 1973 Correct Craft Brochure for Southwind(s)was a menu of engine options & sizes including Chrysler, Palmer, Holman Moody,OMC,& Waukesha; as well as I/O & Jet options. |
Posted By: sam57
Date Posted: April-05-2012 at 3:26am
| I believe the Thermo-Electron became the Interceptor, and the Waukesha became PCM. Internally, I think all of the Fords were the same. Summit Racing sold a lot of them and called them industrial engines. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: April-05-2012 at 8:38am
Welcome to CCfan. Get us some pictures - we love them! What parts are you having a problem finding? They should be pretty easy to get. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Irydslow
Date Posted: April-05-2012 at 10:09am
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I've purchased parts for the boat that just don't fit when I try to install them. Any suggestions for good reliable sources any has found for purchasing parts would be greatly appreciated. I'm just beginning my rebuild. Thx for the input! Btw I'm psyched I found this forum! ------------- 78 Correct Craft Southwind 20 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: April-05-2012 at 10:58am
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Chris, You still didn't say what parts you are having a problem with. Knowing that will help us steer you in the proper direction. Where are you going for the parts you are getting? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 74Wind
Date Posted: April-05-2012 at 11:32am
DrCC once elaborated on an earlier thread; as I recall Thermo-Electron bought Palmer and Crusader in the early 70's. Many marinizations of the basic Ford engines. Curious on the Interceptor history, in the 60's my father put an Interceptor 289 (I think) in his 50something Century Resorter. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: April-05-2012 at 11:40am
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The Ford Interceptor engine was marinized by the Eaton marine division of Ford. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: sam57
Date Posted: April-05-2012 at 1:44pm
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My mistake, Eaton did become Interceptor and Thermo-Electron became Crusader. Once again, old age did me in. Sam PS. I've been working on my 1955 Chris Craft Sportsman over the winter and yesterday applied the sixth and final coat of varnish. Today, I paint the deck stripes and water line and start putting her back back together again. |
Posted By: 74Wind
Date Posted: April-05-2012 at 7:44pm
Pete I knew you'd know. Ok, so we know Chrysler marine engines were factory-produced by the Chrysler Marine Division, and at least one Ford version (Interceptor) was factory-produced by Ford/Eaton...did GM ever factory-produce marine engines or were they all marinized by outside parties? |
Posted By: DrCC
Date Posted: April-05-2012 at 7:47pm
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I said Palmer was first then Thermo then Crusader. But, when you're talking Crusader, there was about three diffferent companies tagged Crusader. Palmer flagged Crusader Cal Connell Crusader Chris Craft Crusader I think Reid has the timeline all figured out but reluctant to share. I believe it was the Cal C. Crusader which evolved into the one we know as the Conqueor/Crusader. Anyway, I kinda believe Sam about the Cleveland. I have an article around here somewhere that basically talks about CC in 1974 produced only a handful of SN's powered with the 351 Cleveland. They stated that these would be the rarest of the rare, and also went on to say that these few were guaranteed 50 mph right off the showroom floor. |
Posted By: Irydslow
Date Posted: April-05-2012 at 10:42pm
Sry, I've just started my rebuild, so I've just been pulling the old girl apart assessing what I need at this point. I just recall when I last worked on her, struggling with the stealership and marina trying to find parts. I put a complete ignition system in her, and can vividly recall the four letter words I used going back and forth to the marina with a couple of different coils, voltage regulators, points, etc. The distributor and timing was it's own fun. But, seeing the confusion over engine types in these models, maybe that had something to do with the issues I had with the distributor...bad info, wrong engine, wrong firing order, bad idle...list goes on. For the rebuild, I'm starting with the fuel system; tank, lines, water seperator, carb rebuild, filter. I snugged her up nice and tight when I put her away, so I pulled the plugs, and they look brand new. I oiled each piston a few weeks ago in anticipation of trying to fire her up. I'll need a starter at least. Any good suggestions for online parts dealers? ------------- 78 Correct Craft Southwind 20 |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: April-06-2012 at 10:51am
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I would try to get your original starter rebuilt. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: April-06-2012 at 12:48pm
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So, what's the best way to determine Cleveland vs. Windsor, anyone know? I rememember JoeinNY mentioning a while back that Cleveland 351s were technically part of the Big Block Family, while Windsors are part of the Small Block Family. This would make sense why intakes might be a problem etc. If Irydslow has the more common Windsor, then getting a starter should be no problem through Nautiqueparts, MyCorrectCraftParts etc. |
Posted By: Irydslow
Date Posted: April-06-2012 at 1:03pm
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Thanks for the input guys! Much appreciated! Every time I start working on this boat, I think "Why don't I just ditch this beast and pick up something else?"...then I remember she has about the most perfect wakeboard wake I've ever experienced, perfect transition and height. Even better than my buddy's $65K Mastercraft. I also have a lot of memories of riding in her with my Dad, who passed away recently. You can't replace that. So, please keep the knowledge coming. I'm dedicated to getting this craft tuned and on the water! ------------- 78 Correct Craft Southwind 20 |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: April-06-2012 at 1:14pm
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Well, a good start would be determining whether you have a Right Hand (aka Reverse) Rotation or Left Hand (aka Standard) rotation engine. Then, determine for sure you have a Windsor by using the reference section in this sight. Then, pics, then everyone should be able to help quite a bit. |
Posted By: davidg
Date Posted: April-06-2012 at 2:04pm
Sorry to hear of your father's passing! Someday, many years from now, I hope my kids have fond memories of me taking them out wakeboarding in the old Southwind. I was also thinking they don't have bad wakeboarding wakes for an economical, classic boat. Shoot, when they made the Southwind, wakeboarding was but a mere sparkle in slalom skiing's eye. Here is a picture of my son wakeboarding behind ours a few years ago. No ballast (except for wet foam) or, tower, or anything. Just jump in the boat, and go boarding with the rope on the ski pylon. Not such a good slalom wake though! 
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Posted By: ultrarunner
Date Posted: April-06-2012 at 3:47pm
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I've been interested in the OB Southwind or a Martinique for a while now....I'm gonna need something for lake-boating with the little kiddies, as the Sport is just not the boat for it. So the Sport will likely go and I'll get a smaller SN for just skiing..... I did see a Southwind with the 454 on here in the for-sale diaries. I'm prly two years from making the switch.... |
Posted By: Irydslow
Date Posted: April-07-2012 at 2:26am
Thanks for the kind words. If you shorten that ski rope about another 15-20 feet, the transition on the wake is even better, and you won't slap the other side of the wake when you land. No, this boat can't ski. Not unless you want a pair of titanium knees and hips. Talk about full-contact slalom...Ooofah! ------------- 78 Correct Craft Southwind 20 |
Posted By: Irydslow
Date Posted: May-28-2012 at 11:57pm
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Started getting my hands dirty. Trying to determine the following: 1.) What kind of engine this is so I can start buying the right parts. Looks like a Winchester 351(?) 2.) How do I determine for sure if it's RH or LH? 3.) I pulled the starter, knowing that would probably be my first replacement part since she's sat for a few years. It's frozen stuck. should i expect other parts inside the block to be in the same state?     ------------- 78 Correct Craft Southwind 20 |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: May-29-2012 at 12:25am
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Here you go- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11217&title=identification-code-breakdown" rel="nofollow - link As for the starter see if you can get it rebuilt,it does not look that bad.Look for local alternator starter repair make sure you tell them it's a reverse rotation ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: May-29-2012 at 12:30am
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I think the R10 in the serial # string means RH. Take the starter to a good auto electrical shop for a rebuild. Put a breaker bar & socket on the front crankshaft bolt a& see if you can turn it over. You can put some penetrating oil in each cylinder to help loosen it up. Good luck! ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: Irydslow
Date Posted: May-29-2012 at 12:43am
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OK, so we're thinking RH? I sprayed some PB Blaster in each of the cylinders a few weeks ago anticipating cranking it over. I'll look for a rebuild shop. Used to have one close by, hopefully he's still around. Thanks for the input! ------------- 78 Correct Craft Southwind 20 |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: May-29-2012 at 12:42pm
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PRD = Pleasurecraft Marine 240hp Ford 351w, RH rotation Ask what the rebuild shop charges- the last one I had done cost me $175, which I find outrageous... especially considering you can get a brand new one for ~$130. ------------- |
Posted By: Irydslow
Date Posted: May-29-2012 at 1:25pm
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Excellent! Motor identified! Calling rebuild shop today, but found them new for pretty cheap: http://www.go2marine.com/product/75549F/inboard-starter-motor-ford-v8.html" rel="nofollow - Starter ------------- 78 Correct Craft Southwind 20 |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: May-29-2012 at 2:11pm
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I am not sure that is the correct starter... they may be using the RH vs. LH to describe the starter, or maybe theyre using the automotive terminology to describe the engine rotation? It says both "right handed rotation" and "fits standard rotation engines", so Im skeptical of it being what you need. On a reverse rotation Ford, you need a CCW starter. There are a few new/rebuilt ones on ebay for +/- $100, though I cant speak to the reputation of the shops selling them. Theres also a brand new PMGR Arco for sale from Ebasicpower for $175, which seems reasonable. ------------- |
Posted By: Irydslow
Date Posted: May-29-2012 at 4:48pm
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The CCW's don't look like the one I pulled out of it. The CW's do. Do you have a link to the one you saw on ebasicpower? http://bpi.ebasicpower.com/mm5/apps/starters/marine_starters.php?BRAND=FORD&B2=+Engines+-+Marine&TYPE=IN&engine=+Ford+Engines&ID=+Various+Models||+All ------------- 78 Correct Craft Southwind 20 |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: May-29-2012 at 4:53pm
It looks like they're showing the Permanent Magnet type for CCW. You can use those with some wiring changes. I know you can get the original style CCW still at Nautiqueparts, but expect to pay more. Maybe someone else here can steer you towards the ebasicpower original style. |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: May-29-2012 at 5:12pm
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You cannot tell the rotation of the starter (CW vs. CCW) by looking at a picture online. You are probably looking at the PMGR starters if they look different than your original. Those are nice (lower current draw) but require a slight modification on the wiring, and are a little more expensive. The cheaper ones are the conventional style, like this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Ford-Marine-Engine-Starter-CCW-3138-/140620508410?pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item20bda2acfa&vxp=mtr" rel="nofollow - Ford CCW Marine starter for $91 Again, I cant vouch for the quality of the starter coming out of those lower priced shops. If youre looking for a brand new Arco, the part number you need is 70107. ------------- |
Posted By: juniorwoody
Date Posted: May-29-2012 at 11:08pm
| Don't know where in Mass you are but Al's Auto Electric in Collinsville, CT does a fine job on rebuilds. |
Posted By: Irydslow
Date Posted: May-31-2012 at 3:56am
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Found a local shop that will rebuild the starter for about $60. Tried turning the engine tonight, and she does spin. She needed a little coaxing, but she spun and I could hear the cylinders compressing. That's a good start! ...and away we go...time to start buying parts! ------------- 78 Correct Craft Southwind 20 |
Posted By: Irydslow
Date Posted: June-15-2012 at 8:53pm
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Okay. Having some ignition issues getting her started. Meter reads 12 volts off the coil with the key in start, then drops to 7 volts when the key is moved to ignition. Doesn't seem to be sparking right. Solenoid, battery, and key ignition are brand new. I would think it would need at least 12v on ignition too. Trying new points. Just looking for any additional tips. ------------- 78 Correct Craft Southwind 20 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-15-2012 at 9:07pm
When cracking, many start relays are set up to bypass the ballast resistor allowing for the voltage drop during the high amp draw of the starter motor. Then, after the engine is running, the volts to the coil will be around 9 due to the resistor. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-15-2012 at 9:19pm
Many here have done it themselves including myself. Re bush the housing, clean up the shaft, Ohm out the winding's, clean up the commutator and put in new brushes. That is all the local shop is doing!!!  ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Donald80SN
Date Posted: June-16-2012 at 12:18am
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Chris, For Parts check out www.skidim.com they are discount inboard marine in South Carolina. Donald |
Posted By: Irydslow
Date Posted: June-18-2012 at 12:11am
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Cool. Thanks for the tips! The issue ended up being the points. They needed to be adjusted. Once adjusted, I got her to come to life. She's running smooth. A few minor clean up items before her sea trial though. The temp gauge is not reading. Need that fixed before I'll run her. That one is important. ------------- 78 Correct Craft Southwind 20 |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: June-18-2012 at 1:11pm
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On your temp gauge, if you take the wire off the sender, and ground it directly to the block, and this causes the gauge to peg, then it is your sender. If nothing, then you are either not getting voltage to the gauge, because of a broken/loose wire, or the gauge itself is out of commission. |
Posted By: Irydslow
Date Posted: June-21-2012 at 3:08am
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New twist. Wired up the bilge and float switch tonight. Works, even the dash indicator light! Victory was short-lived however. I notice water on the engine mounts...wha tha?! After investigating I found hairline cracks in both exhaust manifolds. Question: anyone had success JB Welding these puppies? Or, did I just discover a new hole in the boat to stuff another fistful of money in? ------------- 78 Correct Craft Southwind 20 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-21-2012 at 8:34am
JB is a "do all epoxy" made to be user friendly for the average DIY'r. I'm surprised Billy Mays didn't sell JB!! It wouldn't be my first choice. Some have had luck with it but your better choice would be to braze the cracks. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: 74Wind
Date Posted: June-21-2012 at 9:06am
I JBWelded a manifold crack, so far so good. Just make sure you prepare the surface well ------------- 1974 Southwind 18 1975 Century Mark II |
Posted By: Irydslow
Date Posted: June-28-2012 at 6:50pm
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New manifolds should be here tomorrow. Thanks for the skidim.com suggestion! Great site and prices! ------------- 78 Correct Craft Southwind 20 |
Posted By: Irydslow
Date Posted: June-29-2012 at 3:06pm
Any one have an idea where I'd be able to pick up a new transmission dipstick? The bushing in mine is dry rotted. That can't be helping performance... ------------- 78 Correct Craft Southwind 20 |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: June-29-2012 at 3:21pm
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Chris, My first choice would be going to a well stocked hardware and look for a rubber plug/stopper that will fit. Drill a hole down the center and reuse the other parts. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Salty
Date Posted: July-01-2012 at 10:43am
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When are we going to see some pictures of this boat???!!!! Look forward to seeing another 78 Southwind! ------------- Salty 2018 GS22 with Z4 2008 Ski Nautique 206 w/Factory Tower, EX343 SOLD 1978 Southwind 18 w/GM305, upgraded 4 barrel intake & carb, all original - vinyl & carpet, etc. [URL=http://s328.photobucket.com |
Posted By: mark c
Date Posted: July-01-2012 at 2:00pm
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351W heads have 4 bolt valve covers, 351C have 8 bolt valve covers. Valves in 351c heads are arranged inline, like a small block chevy, 351W valves are staggered like a big block chevy. 351C heads used regular flat sealing area spark plugs, 351W heads use 14mm tapered head plugs (peanut plugs). The timing chain recess is part of the block on a 351C, the timing chain is in a spearate bolt on front cover peice about 1 1/2" thick on the 351W. The machined face where the water pump attaches to the block touches the face of the block where the head bolts on in a 351C, there is a gap of about an inch between that flange and the top face of the block on a 351W. The 351C hads the thermostat mounted to the front of the intake manifold, and water passes thru the front of the intake to get to the thermostat. A 351W has the thermostat mounted on the top of the separate timing cover extension and cooling water goes straight into the front of the block thru castings in the timing cover, and bypasses the intake manifold. So if your thermostat housing (with the hoes to the exhaust manifolds and from the raw water pump) bolts to the intake manifold its a Cleveland, if it bolts to the timing cover extension its a Windsor. |
Posted By: Irydslow
Date Posted: July-06-2012 at 12:48pm
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I'll post pics soon! I think it's unlucky to take pics before she's done, false hope. Getting close... Thanks for info on difference between Cleveland and Windsor! Very helpful! From your description, she's a Windsor. ------------- 78 Correct Craft Southwind 20 |
Posted By: Irydslow
Date Posted: July-07-2012 at 1:10pm
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Well, here are a few pics. Sea trial yesterday after getting all new parts bolted on. Made it around the lake, she didn't like full power, but kept her low to break her in and let her stretch her legs after sitting for so long. It was exhilarating! I never thought this old girl would ply the waters again. Had a few minor tweaks, readjust packing in prop shaft, and tranny fluid needed changing. 2nd sea trial after adjustments went worse. Tranny fluid leaked right out of her. Ugh. So, now I'm seeking input on changing seals. I haven't pulled her apart yet, but I'm suspecting it's the front seal on the tranny that needs replacing at least. Are there other seals I should be checking? Can I pull the tranny without pulling the engine out? I'm trying to get this done quickly so I can get her back out on the water. Thx for your help!   ------------- 78 Correct Craft Southwind 20 |
Posted By: SNobsessed
Date Posted: July-08-2012 at 12:00pm
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Yes, pulling tranny is easy. You can raise rear of engine slightly by using a jack under 1 exh manifold, then block the other. Remove flywheel hsg screws, starter, prop shaft, etc. Tranny can be lifted out,2 people recommended. If leaking at front, that is a symptom of bad pump. Recommend you send it to FFI tranny repair, shipping is like $60 but worth it. Use a milk crate. They are intricate mechanisms, not good for a 1st timer to rebuild. ------------- “Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Ben Franklin |
Posted By: Irydslow
Date Posted: July-08-2012 at 12:29pm
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Is there a way to test the pump to verify if it's actually in need of replacing? I was going to start with just a seal kit. But have been reading some of the threads on CCF about worn pumps blowing out the front seal. Would a regular auto tranny shop be able to fix this? Any info on FFI Transmissions available? Couldn't find anything on Google. thx! ------------- 78 Correct Craft Southwind 20 |
Posted By: bharvey
Date Posted: August-10-2016 at 10:33pm
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I have a 1983 Southwind that I just rebuilt the floor. It has a GM 454. There certainly are some out there. ------------- Buddy |