New Prop for 84 Ski Tique
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Topic: New Prop for 84 Ski Tique
Posted By: PicturePat
Subject: New Prop for 84 Ski Tique
Date Posted: July-06-2011 at 3:49pm
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Had the new 84 Ski Tique in the water for a couple of weeks now. Things seem to be running great - should be better with a little bit of fine tuning.
Looking to replace the prop on it in the next week or so. Right now looking at putting on an Acme 540. Found one online for about 350. Let me know thoughts. |
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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: July-06-2011 at 3:59pm
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Good place to start. ------------- |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: July-06-2011 at 4:02pm
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I agree that the 540 should be the hot ticket on that hull with a stock 351w. Delta's price is usually pretty tough to beat... they look to be $357 (free shipping) with the CCF discount. ------------- |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: July-06-2011 at 4:09pm
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Another vote on the 540 it definately made a difference on my 88'. ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-06-2011 at 4:35pm
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Don't forget I had the vibration issue with the 540 on my Tique and Tim, I believe it was you that said Reid's had the problem as well.
The 540 was on it for around 20 minutes and the OJ went back on!! Pat, You can try the 540 but I just wanted you to know it didn't work for me. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: July-06-2011 at 4:37pm
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Pete, was that a clearance issue?
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Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: July-06-2011 at 4:39pm
Driver error!  ------------- |
8122pbrainard wrote:Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-06-2011 at 4:42pm
Real nice!!! You want me to buy that beer for you or not?? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: July-06-2011 at 5:51pm
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Pete, you had an issue on your 16' Tique with a 302... Pat is asking about his '84 Tique, which is 17'9". There are no hull clearance issues on a 2nd gen Tique, as it uses the 2nd gen Ski Nautique (70-81) hull... it can fit the 13" wheel just fine.
Youre right though, the 12.5" Acmes (1210, 1604) fit much better on the smaller boats with less clearance. ------------- |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: July-06-2011 at 5:55pm
Got it! Thanks ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: July-06-2011 at 6:00pm
Pete, nothing beats an Acme. 
Pat, would you send me your email address. I tried to email you through the site, but your address is private. Thanks, Bruce ------------- |
Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: July-06-2011 at 6:22pm
Come on Pat, blocking your emails?!?! ------------- |
Posted By: PicturePat
Date Posted: July-06-2011 at 6:24pm
| No Problem Bruce - sorry, I'm like the damn new kid at school - still learnin the ropes. |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: July-06-2011 at 7:44pm
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I'm in the 540 camp and I bet if you shoot Reid an email he may have a nice shiney new one he could bring to Green Lake so you can try and buy on the spot. He brought a good selection of props to GL last year. If he won't have one I will have my spare 540 with me that you can put on and try but it's not for sale.
------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: July-06-2011 at 8:00pm
 Now that sounds like a good deal!
Pat, I'm sure we can make it through another week with the old wheel. I know a guy with a puller who may let you bring it up to the reunion in exchange for a few more boom runs this weekend! ------------- |
Posted By: Morfoot
Date Posted: July-06-2011 at 8:11pm
A SPARE 540? Dang ....it's hard to hide $$$$...  ------------- "Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman" |
Posted By: PicturePat
Date Posted: July-06-2011 at 8:13pm
Sounds like a solid plan - thanks guys! |
Posted By: DrCC
Date Posted: July-07-2011 at 4:44pm
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Just my two cents, Pat.
I am not an Acme fan. (higher cost/ easily damaged) I am a fan of "new" Federal 13x13's for 179.99 |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: July-07-2011 at 5:36pm
Agree 100% on the higher cost/easily damaged BUT once you try the 540 the old federal will become a candle holder for the picnic table. We are talking apples to oranges in terms of performance. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: July-07-2011 at 6:07pm
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I agree with the Magic Man, this thing will be used for skiing the river and as a boom boat. Sounds like the 540 is the ticket for performance.
Reid is going to bring up the 540 and possible a 4 blade OJ. We'll see what works best next weekend at the reunion! ------------- |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: July-07-2011 at 6:44pm
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When I'm on the river system I use my old Federal, ACME for the spring fed lakes. Do keep those "potato chip" prosp off the bottom. ------------- |
Posted By: DrCC
Date Posted: July-07-2011 at 10:26pm
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The Federal does all it's suppose to, for me.
If I ever feel the need to go faster, I use an old Ellis Propeller. I especially wouldn't run a CNC in a river. Well, not without a spare Federal or Michigan on board. |
Posted By: storm34
Date Posted: July-08-2011 at 2:02pm
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The CNC will be used at the lake on weekends, old will be used on the river.
I fell is love with our ACME 422 on the 96, if the 540 acts the remotely close to the 422 we will be happy campers! ------------- |
Posted By: DrCC
Date Posted: July-09-2011 at 12:55pm
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Nice new picture, Pat.
So, If Alan is running a 540 w/350 hp. Wouldn't Pat want the 542 w/ less pitch? |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: July-11-2011 at 12:17pm
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Alan is now running an Acme 430 (13x13), as the 540 was not enough for his ~380hp. The 540 seems to be the prop of choice for a 351w in that hull, at least up to the 325-350hp mark... beyond that, more prop may be needed! ------------- |
Posted By: Jllogan
Date Posted: July-21-2011 at 6:56pm
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I am running a 13X13 prop on my 86 now. Is that too much prop? Would I do better with a 13X12? Would it give me more top end or hole shot or both? I get about 43 top speed with 4 people in the boat with current prop. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5792&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1986 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: July-21-2011 at 7:02pm
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13x13 is the original prop. The modern CNC props tend to drop a little in pitch to offer comparable performance numbers (speed vs. RPM), probably because of the larger blade surface area. So long as youre turning in the 4400 range, thats correct- though you'd likely pick up some performance (both top end and holeshot) with something like a 13x12 540. ------------- |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: July-21-2011 at 7:05pm
"You can't beat Acme"
 ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: July-21-2011 at 7:25pm
Precisely, that's why the 540 is now my "spare" ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: Jllogan
Date Posted: July-21-2011 at 7:47pm
Maybe I should just keep my 13X13 and use the 350 bucks I would have spent on a prop towards performance upgrades. Instead of getting a prop to suit my engine maybe I should make my engine fit my prop. Thats what I will tell my wife anyway. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5792&sort=&pagenum=1" rel="nofollow - 1986 Ski Nautique 2001 |
Posted By: 81nautique
Date Posted: July-21-2011 at 7:52pm
Nope, You can't buy anything for $350 for your motor that will equal the performance of a new $350 540 prop. Crack that first bolt on teh motor loose and you've opened Pandora's box. ------------- You can’t change the wind but you can adjust your sails |
Posted By: Tim C
Date Posted: January-31-2012 at 6:05pm
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Gentlemen,
Can I get a quick education on prop size and pitch? My 80 Tique has a 12-14 on it now. It has the letters CUP-NI-BRAL? and 12-14. From what I've read here, it's not the best set up. We will be wake boarding, boom barefooting, and dragging the kids on a tube occasionally. I assume that the more motor you have the bigger the prop, but how does pitch affect bottom end? Is it more torquey if it has less pitch? Thanks for your help, and yes, I (well, my 15 year old son) tried to put pics on my signature and it wouldn't load them or my profile. Will work on that some more. ------------- Tim C |
Posted By: TRBenj
Date Posted: January-31-2012 at 6:24pm
First, let me say that this thread is probably not the most applicable place to discuss your question... the 82+ Ski Tique is a totally different animal than your '76-81 version. In '82, CC gave the Ski Tique the "old" 2nd gen Ski Nautique hull (70-81, 17'9"), so its a much larger boat than your 16'5" version. The larger hull can fit a larger diameter (13" vs. 12"), and Pat's particular boat has a 351w, which was never an option on the pre-82 Tique. That being said, the 12x14 Federal would have been the original prop on your boat- and while there are a few choices available to you these days, that original prop isnt terrible. It'll turn in a pretty respectable top end speed, even compared to the other offerings, and is not a bad all-around wheel. That being said, a 12x13 OJ Legend or a Acme 1210 (12.5x12) are other great options. The 1210 is my personal favorite for a stock 302-powered 16' boat when it comes to pulling watersports (I have one on my '71 Skier, same hull as your Tique). The larger the pitch, the lower the WOT RPM's, and the slower the boat will be out of the hole. Comparing something like the Acme 1210 and original Federal 12x14 is a little tougher than simply looking at the measurements... the difference in blade surface area is pretty significant, which has a significant impact on performance. In my experience, the 12x13 OJ runs about 100 more RPM at WOT than the 12x14 Fed, and the 1210 runs about 200 rpm more then the OJ. ------------- |
Posted By: Tim C
Date Posted: January-31-2012 at 6:43pm
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Thanks for the education! ------------- Tim C |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-31-2012 at 7:26pm
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Tim,
Tim really gave you a great explanation on props. He is our on site prop expert and has put in many an hour of testing them on many different hulls. He's also the greatest member with a knowledge base of CC hulls I know of. Now, this statement concerns me:
Take a look at the http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=14181&title=get-the-kids-out-on-the-water - Get the kids out on the water thread and teach them some skills. You are doing them no service with pulling them on the tube plus no service or consideration to others on the lake. Sorry, but I and other members here have no respect for tubing. Get them out on the ski's or a board.
BTW, How old are they? Any pictures yet? ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: January-31-2012 at 9:16pm
Do as he says, not as he does!
------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: January-31-2012 at 9:18pm
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Sorry Pete but those pics just make me laugh. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: January-31-2012 at 9:53pm
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Tim,
I must explain that Dave's post ^^^^ is really "working me over". That picture is "photoshoped!! Dave, Thank's for the comment!!
Tim, If you get a chance to spend some time on the site, You'll find plenty of interesting threads on the "sport" of tubing and including some great fun of of the "guys" poking at me! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: Gary S
Date Posted: January-31-2012 at 10:52pm
Yes don't they Dave and the next post after yours is good too. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1711&sort=&pagenum=1&yrstart=1966&yrend=1970" rel="nofollow - 69 Mustang HM SS 95 Nautique Super Sport |
Posted By: DrCC
Date Posted: January-31-2012 at 11:20pm
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Ok, Now I'm confused Who is The Greatest Member ??
Tim C, Tim B or Tim D ?? |
Posted By: Tim C
Date Posted: February-01-2012 at 12:19am
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Yeah, sure, photo-shopped! I'd be embarrassed too, Pete! As for the kids, they all wakeboard and ski, and my 15 year old son is gonna follow in my barefoot steps this spring! I also have three daughters, 20, 16, and 12. I've skiied since learning on Lake Norris, TN., when I was about 10. We actually don't own a tube, I just wanted to establish the the boat will be multi-use. ------------- Tim C |
Posted By: Tim C
Date Posted: February-01-2012 at 12:22am
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BTW, Pete, I watched your vid on prop alignment. Very cool, thanks for going to the trouble to help school us newbies! ------------- Tim C |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: February-01-2012 at 8:23am
 Just don't take the "multi-use" too far! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: February-09-2012 at 3:30am
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[QUOTE=Tim C] I've skiied since learning on Lake Norris, TN., when I was about 10. QUOTE]
We've been on Norris every summer since the mid 70's. You still go there? Where-abouts? john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |