Re Packing Rudder Port
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Printed Date: November-19-2024 at 1:40pm
Topic: Re Packing Rudder Port
Posted By: jimsport93
Subject: Re Packing Rudder Port
Date Posted: September-16-2011 at 1:17pm
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Hey guys. Was taking on water last weekend. Rudder may need tightening or re-packing. Going to pull the gas tank this weekend and check it out. Rudder does have a small amount of play when shaking it by hand. Have used the boat for five summers so far (approx 50 hours per season). So, think it is probably time. Could not find any other obvious signs of leaks (hoses, shaft log etc).
Could not find any good posts using the search feature on how to re-pack the rudder. Got some 3/16" packing on hand. Does it take the three piece wrap like you would do the drive shaft? If anyone can direct me to a good previous post that would be great. Pics would help. Got a '93 Sport BTW. Thanks ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2798 - 93 Sport Nautique |
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Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: September-16-2011 at 1:46pm
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Jim, your boat fits solidly in the unabused catagory. I'd try tightening it in the water a little and then run it w/o the back floor and see what you get. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: September-16-2011 at 1:48pm
| It's come up before, but I haven't seen any thorough details yet either. Watching this thread. The owners manual I have describes the drive shaft packing in detail, but then really just says the rudder is basically the same thing. Not super helpful. |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: September-16-2011 at 1:58pm
I agree with trying to tighten it first. Keep in mind that the rudder port can be tightened fairly tight since unlike the prop shaft, it's not constantly rotating. ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
BuffaloBFN wrote:Posted By: jimsport93
Date Posted: September-16-2011 at 2:11pm
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Pete and Greg, was planning on tightening it. But, also thought that since I was in there to go ahead and re-pack it. Boat is almost 20 years old and I am pretty sure the original PO never did it. Although, the boat has never sat overnight in the water very much (a few nights since I have owned it...probably never with the PO). ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2798 - 93 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Hollywood
Date Posted: September-16-2011 at 2:13pm
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I'm getting water through in our 88 after 10 years of never touching it. Pick up about 2-3 gallons over night. I plan on simply tightening it first. ------------- |
Posted By: ny_nautique
Date Posted: September-16-2011 at 3:00pm
| On my 84 SN tightening didn't work. I repacked with 3 layers of the goretex rope and it has made all the difference. Before, I could visibly see water sloshing in when not under power, and spraying in when moving. After, nice and dry. |
Posted By: jimsport93
Date Posted: September-19-2011 at 12:41am
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Pete, not able to bust the packing nuts loose on the rudder port. Any suggestions?
If I am correct, the large top nut needs to go counterclockwise to loosen as the bottom, locking nut, needs to go clockwise. Does this sound correct? Should I spray some PB Blaster on them? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2798 - 93 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: September-19-2011 at 2:30am
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I'm not Pete...
Get a big pair of channel locks and put a rag in the jaw. Loosen the locknut first, and yes, looking down it goes clockwise. You can get a regular wrench or a big adjustable. Both would maybe be more proper, but your card will wince.  ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: September-19-2011 at 9:01am
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Jim,
Get the two wrench handles close to one another and squeeze. Usually you can get the leverage to break the two nuts. However, I have run accross some where somone had the same problem and resorted to the old center punch and hammer trick on the hex of the jam nut. Forget the PB Blaster. In a previous thread the breaking torque figures were posted of various penetrating oils. PB came out almost as bacd as WD-40!!  It's all marketing hype!!! The best was a home brew of 50% acetone and 50% ATF. Next was Kroil. I always have a can of Kroil around. Give the PB to your wife to use on the kitchen cabinet hinges!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: September-19-2011 at 9:31pm
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Jim, we're happy to have you drop by for breakfast and some wrench turning if you come up this way. Of course it won't leak much over the winter. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: jimsport93
Date Posted: September-19-2011 at 9:55pm
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Greg, thanks for the invite. Right now I would have to pull the boat up there on the trailer. Seats, floor and gas tank out. I did spray a little liquid wrench, that I had on hand, around the lock washer before I left this morning. Had not had a chance to wrench on her yet tonight (the boat I mean). I have several pretty large pipe wrenches. It is pretty hard to get good leverage in those tight quarters. Got some job related homework to do tonight, probably won't have a chance to give it a try till tomorrow night. Want to get it done though....not much lake time left this year. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2798 - 93 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: September-19-2011 at 10:08pm
Busy busy; us too. I still say a $20 pair of square jaw channel locks is the ticket. The pipe wrenches may scratch your nutz!  ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: September-19-2011 at 10:28pm
Greg, You are a brass beaver chewing up the hex nuts too!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: September-19-2011 at 10:33pm
Ha! Now you're on HW's watch list. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: September-19-2011 at 10:37pm
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It's been a long time since I scratched my brass... ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: 8122pbrainard
Date Posted: September-19-2011 at 10:45pm
I'm going to need to consult Amy about this one!! ------------- /diaries/details.asp?ID=1622" rel="nofollow - 54 Atom /diaries/details.asp?ID=2179" rel="nofollow - 77 Tique 64 X55 Dunphy Keep it original, Pete < |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: September-19-2011 at 10:47pm
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Guilty as charged. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: September-20-2011 at 12:48pm
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Maybe this will help, it looks like it has a square in the end, to add additional leverage with a ratchet or breaker bar:
http://www.skidim.com/prodinfo.asp?number=WRENCH - http://www.skidim.com/prodinfo.asp?number=WRENCH |
Posted By: cbr1000dude
Date Posted: September-20-2011 at 2:15pm
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Long ago I was cleaning out a car before it went to the wrecker (I was driving a tow truck at the time)and I found the biggest channel lock pliers I've ever seen. It's about 2 1/2 feet long, and can grip up yo about 6 inches wide. I thought, what would I ever need something this big for?
I almost chucked it. Since then it's saved my butt many times. That one and a smaller one (maybe 14 inches)busted my rudder and drive shaft lock nuts loose with no problem on a 24 year old SN that's had no maintenance I'm sure. You need a bigger wrench! BTW, I don't care if my nuts are scratched!
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Posted By: jimsport93
Date Posted: September-20-2011 at 10:09pm
Well my nuts are loose  Only slightly scratched.
Thinking that I should re-pack with fresh packing while I am in there. Does the rudder take three seperate, staggered sections of packing like the drive shaft does? Know that I should support the rudder from underneath when disconnecting the tiller arm. Any other tricks or suggestions? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2798 - 93 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: September-20-2011 at 10:28pm
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Good deal; and the $.38 question-what did you use?
I've seen several combinations of packing and the thin brass washer on rudders and shafts. Maybe someone can tell us both how they are supposed to be. ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
Posted By: jimsport93
Date Posted: September-20-2011 at 10:40pm
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Greg, sprayed some liquid wrench on locking nut Monday. Undid the tiller arm from the steering cable inorder to get a better angle. Used a pipe wrench, pulled and beat the end of the wrench with a hammer. It finally busted loose. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2798 - 93 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Keeganino
Date Posted: September-20-2011 at 11:38pm
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When I packed mine i did as you described above, just like the shaft packing. 3 staggered layers of packing. ------------- "working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4897" rel="nofollow - 1973 Skier |
Posted By: jimsport93
Date Posted: September-21-2011 at 1:02am
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Got it undone. Four rings of 3/16" packing. Thin brass washer on top of packing nut followed by a stainless washer and then the tiller arm. Getting all the old gunk cleaned off and ready to put it back together. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2798 - 93 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: September-21-2011 at 1:07am
| Do you have a camera handy? Not to be a PITA, but I'd like to see what a real one looks like all apart and ready to be assembled. |
Posted By: jimsport93
Date Posted: September-21-2011 at 1:30am
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Brian, yes, have a camera. Will take some pics. Probably tomorrow before I post them. About ready to call it a night. Got a big day riding with a corp human resources person tomorrow. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2798 - 93 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Salty
Date Posted: September-21-2011 at 3:10pm
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Good luck with HR today Jim. I am guessing they are filming a training video on how it is supposed to be done by the star?!!! I may need to do a drive by and check on your rudder work since I need to do the very same with mine. ------------- Salty 2018 GS22 with Z4 2008 Ski Nautique 206 w/Factory Tower, EX343 SOLD 1978 Southwind 18 w/GM305, upgraded 4 barrel intake & carb, all original - vinyl & carpet, etc. [URL=http://s328.photobucket.com |
Posted By: jimsport93
Date Posted: September-21-2011 at 9:07pm
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Dave, the ride with our HR person went well. Not sure about the "star" part. Mohawk is looking at ways to increase our productive selling time and make our life as a sales rep more efficient.
You are welcome to stop by any time. Got the rudder port re-packed and back together. Waiting on a new fuel guage sending unit for the gas tank before I put everything back together. Was in hopes of that part arriving today...not. Should be here tomorrow. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2798 - 93 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: jimsport93
Date Posted: September-21-2011 at 9:35pm
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Brian, here are some pics:
Interior stern 
Rudder port with packing nut and tiller arm removed 
Packing nut repacked with fresh packing  ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2798 - 93 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: Bri892001
Date Posted: September-22-2011 at 4:30pm
| Cool, thanks Jim. That's helpful to see. |
Posted By: KRoundy
Date Posted: September-28-2011 at 7:11pm
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I have a follow-on question. Anybody know what kind of grease should go into that grease fitting on the rudder? ------------- Previous: 1993 Electric Blue/Charcoal Ski Nautique Current: 2016 Ski Nautique 200 Open Bow |
Posted By: jimsport93
Date Posted: September-28-2011 at 9:00pm
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Kevin, shot my rudder port with marine rated grease. Same stuff that I used on the trailer wheel bearings. Not sure if that is the correct grease, but it is what I had on hand. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2798 - 93 Sport Nautique |
Posted By: KRoundy
Date Posted: October-01-2011 at 1:29pm
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OK. Thanks. That's what I was thinking must go in there. ------------- Previous: 1993 Electric Blue/Charcoal Ski Nautique Current: 2016 Ski Nautique 200 Open Bow |