11 Reasons To Vote Democrat
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Topic: 11 Reasons To Vote Democrat
Posted By: Waterdog
Subject: 11 Reasons To Vote Democrat
Date Posted: September-21-2011 at 12:26pm
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1. I voted Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene, but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn't. 2. I voted Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would. 3. I voted Democrat because Freedom of Speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it. 4. I voted Democrat because I'm way too irresponsible to own a gun, and I know that my local police are all I need to protect me from murderers and thieves. 5. I voted Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday can tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius. 6. I voted Democrat because I'm not concerned about millions of babies being aborted so long as we keep all death row inmates alive. 7. I voted Democrat because I think illegal aliens have a right to free health care, education, and Social Security benefits and we should take away the social security from those who paid into it. 8. I voted Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution as the Democrats see fit. 9. I voted Democrat because I believe liberal judges need to rewrite the Constitution every few days to suit some fringe kooks who would never get their agendas past the voters. 10. I voted Democrat because I think that it's better to pay billions to people who hate us for their oil, but not drill our own because it might upset some endangered beetle, gopher or fish. 11. I voted Democrat because while we live in the greatest, most wonderful country in the world, I was promised "HOPE AND CHANGE". ------------- - waterdog - http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3896&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - 78 Ski Tique |
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Posted By: jbear
Date Posted: September-22-2011 at 3:03am
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go get 'em dog
john ------------- "Loud pipes save lives" AdamT sez "I'm Canadian and a beaver lover myself"... |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: September-22-2011 at 9:58am
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How is that working out for you? ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: marmon77
Date Posted: October-25-2011 at 5:31pm
Well said!  
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Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: October-25-2011 at 6:27pm
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Voting democrat used to be acceptted back in the 30's and 40's. Now all democrats are for givaway programs, rob the rich and give to the unions. Very unnacepptable ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: October-25-2011 at 10:07pm
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I can think of one for not .....oblabbah ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: October-27-2011 at 10:24am
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I see Perry is on the flat tax bandwagon, only reason I noticed is because he wants deductions for those who make 500k or more....when you boys gonna wake up? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: October-27-2011 at 10:38am
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Perry just needs something to compete with Cain's 999 plan. I call Perrys his 911 plan, he is getting desperate and needs help. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: BuffaloBFN
Date Posted: October-27-2011 at 11:06am
Where did you see that? ------------- http://correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=2331&sort=&pagenum=12&yrstart=1986&yrend=1990" rel="nofollow - 1988 BFN-sold "It's a Livin' Thing...What a Terrible Thing to Lose" ELO |
eric lavine wrote:Posted By: wingwrench
Date Posted: October-27-2011 at 11:53am
You got it backwards. The deductions are for incomes of 500K and below. Perry says: “The new flat tax preserves mortgage interest, charitable and state and local tax exemptions for families earning less than $500,000 annually, and it increases the standard deduction to $12,500 for individuals and dependents.” |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: October-27-2011 at 2:29pm
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im throwing out propaganda, i couldve swore he said above, thuinking of this, whatever happened to credit card interest? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: October-27-2011 at 2:29pm
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well then, Perrys w-2's must say 499,000.00 ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: October-27-2011 at 2:55pm
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Perry's plan is a huge tax reduction for the investor class. It completely eliminates taxes on capital gains and dividends, not to mention the estate tax.
Which means if you inherit 10 million in cash you can put it in government bonds earning 2.5% collect your 250,000 a year tax free for your entire life with no risk, no real investment, and no contribution to the economy and pass that on to your next generation indefinitely without that captiol ever getting back in circulation and without it ever producing anything. Why do you think the ultra rich love government debt, it is a no risk investment. Of course this silver spoon's neighbor is going to be working his ass off running a business earning 250,000 a year and paying 50,000 in taxes paying for the roads to be plowed, kids to educated, and army to protect the 10million in bonds the silver spoon is sitting on. Well he would be earning 250,000 if he could get investors.. but since the first guy doesnt need to earn say 6% return to support his standard of living he won't invest because the risk doesnt bring any reward.. he already has all the money he and his future generations could ever spend without working and backed by the full faith and credit of our federal government. Its bad micro economics, its horrible macro economics, and it aint capitalism.. it is fuedalism. We have been experimenting with it for the last 30 years it didnt work.. we cant affort to penalize those that risk thier capital and those that work for a living... I am not saying that we should treat the silver spoon class any worse as it is not thier fault they were born rich.. but we certainly shouldnt treat them better. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: October-27-2011 at 3:42pm
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Cains 999 plan will get the economy going but there is addtional state and local tax on top of it. Perrys plann is 10 times better through all the way across the board. ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: harddock
Date Posted: October-27-2011 at 4:48pm
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Cains plan does impose a sales tax but eliminates income tax. So yes you still pay, but everyone pays and you have the money saved from the income tax. When you lay them all out Cains does the most in the quickest way. The other flat taxes have faults as well. Check out Gingrich's plan as it is another good one. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=4487" rel="nofollow - 1998 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Riley
Date Posted: October-27-2011 at 5:23pm
| I don't know why people get so excited about a flat tax rather than the current income tax. Most everyone in the middle class, especially those with dependent childred or a house will pay far more if we go that route. |
Posted By: critter
Date Posted: October-27-2011 at 7:04pm
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Cains 999 plan is the closest that I have seen to having most people
living in this country paying Federal Taxes. It would be nice if the other 48%+ that currently pay no Federal Taxes would contribute to funding the country they live in. This would really help with infrustructure, roads and bridge improvements. Yes, I know that they pay State and local taxes as they purchase goods but I am talking Federal tax contributions. This would also stop the Prison inmates from getting refunds when filing false returns. Lots of pluses here. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique 1966 Barracuda |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: October-27-2011 at 8:01pm
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I don’t see how increasing the taxes on the middle class is going to help our roads out. We spend about 180 billion a year on roads. 40 billion of that comes from the Highway trust fund, the majority of that comes from the federal gas tax which is a relatively fair way to pay for roads and bridges, I mean it crushes almost all those freeloadin 46%’s you are talking about (except the 12 million that come from the top half of the countries earners ) more than the ones currently paying federal income taxes but it is based on usage. The 140 that comes from the states – , state gas taxes, vehicle registration fees, sales tax, property tax, state income taxes are also more likely to come from the middle class and lower classes than anyone else.. so as far as roads go they are likely already paying their way and then some. See how much money they have left for gas under Cain’s plan.
Besides is increasing the taxes on more than 80% of the country the best way to stick it to those damn 46% of freeloaders who now are only paying social security taxes, medicare taxes, federal and state gas taxes, vehicle registration fees, sales tax, property taxes, school taxes, and state income taxes. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: critter
Date Posted: October-27-2011 at 8:22pm
You are making a big assumption if you think that most of the 46% own cars and can actually afford to drive them any distance. I am talking about supporting the Military, the Government (that has grow to an unbeleiveable level), the current uninsurred Health Care System, the Illegal Immigration system. Those 46% could contribute 9% and make a difference. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique 1966 Barracuda |
Posted By: phospher
Date Posted: October-27-2011 at 10:38pm
| What a bunch of right wing propaganda Waterdog. Crit, you right wingers think supporting our military means putting a bumper sticker on your car. |
Posted By: critter
Date Posted: October-27-2011 at 11:02pm
This makes no sense to me ?? I served for 4 years in the Navy, my brother for 10 in the Army, my Daughter for 4 years in the Army with a tour in Iraq, my son-in-law is currently on his 4th Iraq tour in 6 years. So can you expain this comment for me ?? My window stickers say "USO volunteer" and the emblem for having a family member in a combat zone. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique 1966 Barracuda |
Posted By: phospher
Date Posted: October-27-2011 at 11:43pm
I'll re-phrase it. Most people think putting a bumper sticker on their car(as of the recent two wars mainly republicans that I've personally come across) means supporting our troops. How about they raise our taxes and pay our soldiers better! Or better yet, keep us out of the wars to begin with. |
Posted By: critter
Date Posted: October-27-2011 at 11:46pm
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I cannot, at this moment, name a single relationship where some do all
but others are expected to do nothing. In a family, each member contributes. cooks or mows or cleans but there is usually no family member that does nothing but take. In a business, each member contributes to the business or is removed. At a CCF gathering, each member contributes in some manner to make the event more enjoyable. I know of no-one that just shows up and partakes. Why is a country any different. Why should I not expect everyone that is benefiting from the experience to contribute. Maybe not all equally but at least a contribution other than to exist and accept. There are currently too many with their hand out but do nothing to contribute to the experience. Paying no Federal Income Taxes is an example of this to me. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique 1966 Barracuda |
Posted By: critter
Date Posted: October-27-2011 at 11:48pm
No arguement here. This goes for all Parties... ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique 1966 Barracuda |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: October-28-2011 at 12:34am
Here is your darn problem. You lefties are all the same. You think "freedom" is free!!!! It is not!! ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: October-28-2011 at 1:09am
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Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: October-28-2011 at 1:23am
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I certainly have an interest in simplifying our tax code, but I feel at this time our government is pretty good at collecting taxes, I would call that a strength area. What our government cannot seem to do is show restraint in spending. We have a system that spends first without clear evidence that it will make a difference. I see the 999 plan and flat tax as a distraction from our first problem which is spending.If the government is going to take a thousand dollars of my money away from my family I want them to invest the same consideration I would as to how it will be spent. To me it does not matter how the government takes the money,whether it takes a thousand dollars from my left pocket or my right, I am still out a grand. I like the idea of everyone paying some federal tax, even if we give them more just to take it back. If someone has no skin in the game, they will not be concerned with what the government spends, but if they see 9% taken from them every time they spend money, and then the government says now we need 10% so we can stop global warming on mars, people will question the spending and evaluate its necessity. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: October-28-2011 at 1:32am
Joe, I do think zero is to low for a capital gains tax, but how can you say there is no contribution to the economy? Government bonds are a major funding source for government. The risk is low , but so is the pay off compared to stock market averages. By investors "loaning" the money to the government, and the government spending it, it is in constant circulation. And if invested in private funds you get the same result. Our economy like our government runs on OPM (other peoples money). ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: October-28-2011 at 7:12pm
I can say it because it is a fundamental fact of both reality and economics. As the money is already long spent...( the definition of debt) the contribution to the economy is long ago taken and the capitol is there by definition “out of the economy” until such time as the bonds are cashed in and the capitol reinvested or spent. Deficit spending contributes to the economy in the year that it is spent, but once added to the Debt it is idled capitol. I would say it is basic economic theory.. but it isn’t theory it is one of the givens that all economic theory is based on. Conversely, when government pays back a bond and does not make a replacement available (ie pays down the debt) then that capitol must either be consumed (which is a direct influx of demand into the economy) or invested into the private market where it contributes to growth in a variety of ways. Unfortunately only one time in the last three decades has that happened and that was the last four years under Clinton... and it worked to bring up significantly incomes across the board… also the only time that has happened in the last 30 years. Halting the paying down the debt and returning us to deficit spending was the first thing GWB did when he got into office… we were told it would increase growth but it didn’t. You show me a republican who actually cares about paying down the debt and I will show you someone that will never make it through the primary as some astroturf group funded by big big money will take them out… with a guy like Cain. Roger - I just don’t get how you justify an opinion that these 46% aren’t contributing their fair share just because they fail to pay federal income taxes... the majority of them are retirees who paid their fair share during their productive working years not to mention that they paid to educate the bill gates and steve jobs of the world in public schools. They continue to pay through their property taxes to educate and train those that become our soldiers and workers. In my town they could feel just as put off that they must pay in many cases 10-20% of their income in school taxes to educate workers that then move down to NYC and make JPM chase multi-billion dollar profits that never find their way back to contribute to our property tax base. I would be all in favor of a true nationwide flat percentage income tax that replaced all the consumptive taxes and fees add up the cost of government... figure out what percentage of the GDP that is (hint around 40 percent) and charge everyone that… But a flat tax or one that eliminates capital gains without addressing all sources of government income favors only the ultra-rich. What do you think the Koch brothers pay as a percentage of their income a year into taxes (I mention them specifically because they are the ones that created Herman Cain and his subsequent 999 plan)... currently it is significantly less than 20 percent of their incomes in combined taxes (state local property fees gas etc). Almost all that is in federal income taxes on their capital gains... under 999 they would pay somewhere under 5%. A self-employed mechanic making 40k a year living in a 100,000 dollar house and commuting 25 miles to work each way in these parts will pay in excess of 35% of their 40k in taxes and fees a year… if he is paying on his house and has a wife and one kid he wouldn’t pay one penny in federal income taxes. He isn’t the problem, 999 would get him about 2.5% closer to a 40% share though I like the way the current income tax works (once you strip out the BS deductions) in that everyone pays the exact same rate on the first 100,000 dollars a year they make, everyone also pays the exact same rate on the next 100,000 dollars a year they make. I was to believe what I am told by the billionaire fronted shills running for the republican nomination that if I increase the tax rates on everyone in the country’s 11th 100,000 dollars a year they make then they are less likely to want to make that money and it will be bad for the economy and growth but I don’t know one person who wouldn’t work 30 days for 60k and would rather sit idle that would work those days for 70k. Instead of everyone paying a percentage of their incomes we could just divide the total cost of government up and divide it by the number of people in the country but nobody would ever be able to have kids again because everyone in your house needs to cough up a bit over 18k a year. Jobs that paid under 18k a year would definitely go to tax evaders... realistically you would need to make 100k to survive with a family of 4. You wouldn’t want to live in a country that taxed in that manner... ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: critter
Date Posted: October-28-2011 at 8:52pm
Joe, you just discribed the wife and I. We did well in our careers and as a result payed what we felt were to much in taxes. No Mortages, no kids, no real deductions other than our $3000 deduction for loss in the market each year. We have had enough. Cathie left work 4 years ago and I left 2 years ago at the age of 52. No Retirement plan, only what we have in our pockets that we earned. We looked at what we have and decided that we no longer wanted to pay the high taxes each year to support all those that do not contribute. This is just the way we feel about it. We still pay taxes each year but we are able to manage it so that we feel better about what we pay. I think that the other 46% would feel good about themselves too if they contributed something to the process. They should try it and see. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique 1966 Barracuda |
Posted By: critter
Date Posted: October-28-2011 at 9:31pm
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Joe, I just had an idea ....
Since the wife and I fit your description for the 46% that pay no Federal Income Taxes and you seem to support this, maybe you and John can get together and send Cathie and I a check to cover our actual taxes each year. I would even send you a receipt for the donation. I am not too proud to cash that check and it would make you feel good too  ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique 1966 Barracuda |
Posted By: JoeinNY
Date Posted: October-28-2011 at 11:53pm
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Roger if you were old enough to retire and still saddled with a burdensome income tax bill I might feel a little bad for you.. but at your age I got nothing for ya but retirement envy. ------------- http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=1477 - 1983 Ski Nautique 2001 1967 Mustang 302 "Decoy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO5MkcBXBBs - Holeshot Video |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: October-29-2011 at 2:19am
Joe, I see what you are getting at but it does not match up with reality. My state does a bonding every two years, for roads and infrastructure, It is also used at the local level for cities and schools. I have to admit I have not paid much attention to it at the federal level, but when I buy savings bonds they must be using the money for something. Are you saying there would be no noticeable changes if no one bought bonds starting today? I think we would quickly see how much work that money is doing. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: Waterdog
Date Posted: October-31-2011 at 5:48pm
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How can ANYONE read this as propaganda ???
Its a joke just something to laugh at nothing more. AND I've done my share 32 years with the Navy and Marine Corps and counting My Son is in Afganastan right NOW. Last Thanksgiving my wife and I went to thank the Wounded Warriors at Camp Lajeune. And We have welcomed home the WW II vets from DC the last flight was on my birthday. Man you've got a way about you. ------------- - waterdog - http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=3896&sort=&pagenum=2&yrstart=1978&yrend=1978" rel="nofollow - 78 Ski Tique |
Posted By: critter
Date Posted: October-31-2011 at 6:27pm
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Thanks for your and your families service Andy.
I really appreciate it, and always will. ------------- 1980 Ski Nautique 1966 Barracuda |
Posted By: panda
Date Posted: November-02-2011 at 1:24am
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Nice list. I wonder if there are any ski boat owners who actually do vote democrat? Maybe some trust fund babies? ------------- 95 Ski Nautique GT40 |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: November-03-2011 at 12:25am
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[QUOTE=panda] Nice list. I wonder if there are any ski boat owners who actually do vote democrat? QUOTE]
Never have and never WILL!! ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-03-2011 at 10:16am
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your roots go deep and they show ski.....maybe, well i wont even try ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-03-2011 at 10:26am
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we got a big issue up here in Ohio, issue 2, collective bargaining for the state employees, the only ones babbling about it are those involved, well we get a teacher on the radio complaining about her thistle rope at her hanging, she goes onto to telling the DJ how hard she fcn works, up late grading papers, 4 years of school, blah blah blah. well she rakes the school system for 69k a year, paid retirement, paid health insurance, tenure, dont know if thats the spelling. plus her hubby makes 29k a year
from my point of view, 2 months off, kids here in the US rank about 47th on the list of brains in the world, 50% of Americans make 26k a year, living on that, more energy is spent towards sports in school than scholastics. so, I will vote yes on issue 2, why do people always kick the gift horse? ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-03-2011 at 10:30am
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btw, she was having a hard time living on a 100k, now that tells me she isnt very smart and cannot manage basic economics, pay em what they are worth ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: November-03-2011 at 10:56am
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Eric, Did you roll off the republican side of the bed this morning? ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: peter1234
Date Posted: November-03-2011 at 11:13am
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I knew he had it in him.. its probably in everyones dna some are probably just democrats by nurture not nature ------------- former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go |
Posted By: OverMyHead
Date Posted: November-03-2011 at 11:36am
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Eric, I should not tease you, You make good observations, There is definitly a line where most people will go from need to greed (not just the rich), and alot of government workers have crossed it. I think it is worse when the government does it because they have a monopoly,I cannot send my kids to or pay taxes to the "other" public school. ------------- For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats. 1987 Ski Nautique |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-03-2011 at 12:45pm
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let me sit in a room with that beeoch and tell her about my life, she'll work for free lol ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: eric lavine
Date Posted: November-03-2011 at 12:47pm
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now Dave, if you would just let loose of that soft spot in your heart to let the rich pay some of the burden ------------- "the things you own will start to own you" |
Posted By: skicat2001
Date Posted: November-03-2011 at 2:25pm
I think he did.. I knew he had him too.. Maybe all of us are starting to wear off on him..  ------------- 1985 CC 2001-SOLD Lee Michael Johnson |
Posted By: shenglu
Date Posted: November-11-2011 at 3:56am
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Low-risk, but pay off compared to the stock market average. Investors "Loaning" of money to the government, government spending, which is in constant circulation. ------------- http://www.meritline.com/Cufflinks---c-13571.aspx - Wedding Cufflinks |